Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers with NON EPA-Certified Models Only => Home Made => Topic started by: mlappin on October 15, 2014, 10:21:32 AM
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Finally got to the point where I filled the waste oil boiler I built to check for leaks, had two very minor seeps. Planned on being a lot further than this except the wife and I got rear ended a little over three weeks ago and the back has been jacked ever since. MRI yesterday, hopefully the last one of those ever. My 99 Cummins was totaled, dude hit us hard enough it bent both frame rails. His insurance company has been jacking me around ever since, I'm about to lawyer up and return the favor.
Firebox and heat exchanger, heavy wall 2 1/2" 409 stainless pipe. Leak checking here.
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Dry ice, couldn't find a definite answer so I played it safe and used 20 lbs. Added it then let it sit for 30 minutes before firing up the plasma cutter. It was a 500 gallon gas tank at one time, still smelled like gas.
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Took the end piece and welded it to the end of the burn chamber.
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Door flange welded in. Added a 3 inch ring larger than the fire chamber around the door flange to help cool that. Then cut holes at the bottom and top in the original end so water can circulate around the door flange.
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Going to cut the skids off and add about 18" to the legs to eliminate bending over, bending over sucks these days.
If I decide I'm still losing too much heat up the stack I'll pick up a few of those heat exchangers like you use with a indoor wood burner.
Collector box for the 6 tubes will be welded to the outside, be anise place to lay a pair of wet gloves while doing chores.
Picked this up at a auction for half of scrap price, some kind of stainless, was 6 feet long cut it down to 3 feet. Should make a very nice place to dump oil or drain filters. Plan on placing a piece of fiberglass window screen over the screen that came with it, when the window screen gets completely gunked up, roll it up and burn it.
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Ended up with a convenient place to store my clean oil after it's screened, sat right in there and will be out of the way.
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Looks like a dang good start on the boiler!
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Finally got to the point where I filled the waste oil boiler I built to check for leaks, had two very minor seeps. Planned on being a lot further than this except the wife and I got rear ended a little over three weeks ago and the back has been jacked ever since. MRI yesterday, hopefully the last one of those ever. My 99 Cummins was totaled, dude hit us hard enough it bent both frame rails. His insurance company has been jacking me around ever since, I'm about to lawyer up and return the favor.
I would definately get a lawyer for your accident. I am still fighting going on 4 years. If you don't, any future problems that could be attributed back to accident will cost you a bundle. I am sure you will get questionaire in the mail asking if this was result of work, auto accident, etc.. Many more back issues could arise in the future related to this. I am recovering from a fusion surgery at this moment as a result of an accident, Good luck and god bless.
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Sorry to hear about the back tulenutn20.
Just hate to have to mess with a lawyer though, from a previous experience in a contract dispute it seems like the only people that win are the lawyers.
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Extended the legs about eighteen inches tonight to avoid any of that unpleasant bending over.
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Go the Logstor buried today, took longer to get across the 25' of main driveway than it did to dig the other 100', that sh*t was hard, couldn't even get it to come up in layers, just kept scratching it with the teeth on the bucket until finally got enough loose dirt to get a bucket full. Really amazing that only had rock about 8" deep, then the rest was blue clay that was like freaking concrete. Was wishing I had a full size excavator instead of the Bobcat 116. We also could have borrowed a foot wide bucket instead of the 16" I was using, but makes it really hard to work in the trench then.
Six inches of sand on the bottom of the trench, walked the Logstor into that a little bit then another six inches on top of it. Slid 25' of six inch schedule 40 PVC over it where it went under the driveway. Took the air wand and blew as much sand as possible into the pipe as well. Might be over kill wit hthe PVC and sand, but this is the drive where semi's, grain trucks, tanker trucks and cement trucks come in. Pretty much the main drive, and I don't EVER plan on doing it again.
Uncoiled the Logstor a week ahead of time in the yard, the end that went against the shop we used plastic twine that comes off the large square bales of hay, like 500+ pound knot strength. Tied it back up to keep the curve in it as soon as we unrolled it.
Had to hand dig by the shop as we had a gas line, a direct bury 3 phase line and another 3 phase line in conduit to find. Gas line was easy, old steel one for LP, no longer have LP and too small for Nat Gas so it got cut out. The one in the conduit was easy to find as well, the direct bury one was a little hairier. Finally found it as well. Both lines were only about 30" from the shop wall so not a lot of room to work with the Logstor.
Brought the end that was tied in twine up to the shop, cut the twine off, placed a couple of slings around the Logstor about 25' from the barn and lifted it as high as we could with the excavator so the end with the curve still in it was parallel to the bottom of the trench, then fed a rope under the conduit and main line and tied that to the logstor, I swung the excavator over a little while the hired man pulled on the rope to bring the end up, once he was started I simply lowered it into the trench. Once we had it where we wanted it I took a piece of one inch ratchet strap and went around the Logstor twice then screwed each end of the ratchet strap tight to shop wall. The other end we used the slopster's trick with the one inch ratchet strap except I sacrificed some more of that heavy duty baling twine instead of the strap. All in all wasn't that difficult to handle, have wrestled much worse things before.
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I would definately get a lawyer for your accident. I am still fighting going on 4 years. If you don't, any future problems that could be attributed back to accident will cost you a bundle. I am sure you will get questionaire in the mail asking if this was result of work, auto accident, etc.. Many more back issues could arise in the future related to this. I am recovering from a fusion surgery at this moment as a result of an accident, Good luck and god bless.
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Hated to do it but lawyered up today, MRI came back with me having 3 bulging discs plus another with a tear, MRI also caught something at the very edge of the image, instead of ordering another MRI my doc is referring me to a spine specialist at South Bend Orthopedics, guess they also handle all the Notre Dame athletes if I understood correctly.
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WOW that sucks, sorry to hear that Marty!
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I know how the bulging discs feels I have had 2 bulging for the last 16 years. Spine surgeon keeps telling me he wants to put off surgery for as long as I can because I'm to young (I'm only 30). Long story short I was hit by a pickup while mowing the lawn on the shoulder of the road,it threw me 10-15' off the mower no ambulance was called I was taken to the emergency room where they did no mri or x-rays. I was basically given a physical from what I remember. Now that I am older and was looking into surgery I can't financially afford to miss the time off work, and because I didn't opt in to the disability insurance when I started 13 years ago at the company I work for I can't get it because I have a pre-existing condition that makes not eligible for coverage. So I just have to deal with the back pain, numbness and tingling in my leg and foot. But I just keep reminding my self I still do a lot of work and activities that some people can't do at all that are in my shoes and I just have to not to push it to hard or I will be paying for it later. If you go to therapy ask about a tens unit. They will have a unit there they put these electrodes on your back on each side of your spine and have you lay on clay heat packs on a bed and turn the machine on it will give you small electric shocks they will turn it up untill it is almost intolerable and shut the lights off then leave you alone for 15 minutes. It doesn't sound like fun but every time I had that done I would be asleep in 2-3 minutes it felt so good an relaxing I would walk out of therapy feeling like a million bucks every time. Sorry to ramble on I'll stop now.
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I know how the bulging discs feels I have had 2 bulging for the last 16 years. Spine surgeon keeps telling me he wants to put off surgery for as long as I can because I'm to young (I'm only 30). Long story short I was hit by a pickup while mowing the lawn on the shoulder of the road,it threw me 10-15' off the mower no ambulance was called I was taken to the emergency room where they did no mri or x-rays. I was basically given a physical from what I remember. Now that I am older and was looking into surgery I can't financially afford to miss the time off work, and because I didn't opt in to the disability insurance when I started 13 years ago at the company I work for I can't get it because I have a pre-existing condition that makes not eligible for coverage. So I just have to deal with the back pain, numbness and tingling in my leg and foot. But I just keep reminding my self I still do a lot of work and activities that some people can't do at all that are in my shoes and I just have to not to push it to hard or I will be paying for it later. If you go to therapy ask about a tens unit. They will have a unit there they put these electrodes on your back on each side of your spine and have you lay on clay heat packs on a bed and turn the machine on it will give you small electric shocks they will turn it up untill it is almost intolerable and shut the lights off then leave you alone for 15 minutes. It doesn't sound like fun but every time I had that done I would be asleep in 2-3 minutes it felt so good an relaxing I would walk out of therapy feeling like a million bucks every time. Sorry to ramble on I'll stop now.
Well, in the past I've rarely ever even taken aspirin, no need for it. We put up three more grain bins last fall ourselves and pardon my french, but I was working guys half my age dicks into the dirt. I'm 44, have never even broken a bone even after years of racing dirt bikes, to be laid up by somebodies else's mistake or lack of attention is intolerable. I'm hyper by nature, way back when, my Mom told my wife to be that if we had kids better hope that they didn't take after me as once I hit three months old I never took another nap. I get five hours of sleep a night and I'm good to go for another 16 or 17 hours non stop, since getting rear ended I can barely get a honest 8 hours in even if it takes all day. Hell the grass needs mowed again and I'm seriously considering calling my cousin and have her husband do it since that's thats what he does for a living.
For my birthday next month the wife had already paid for me to go skydiving for the first time, don't think that's such a good ideal with a buggered up back, I sure hope it's refundable.
Have a very good friend that is quite intimate with a tens unit, his Humvee hit an IED on his first tour in Afghanistan, he was thrown clear but his three buddies died. He's so full of micro shrapnel that they won't even attempt to remove it all. Got home, got discouraged after a year of no promising job in this wonderful Obama economy, that he signed up and served a second tour in Afghanistan. Served as a sapper both tours specializing in bomb disposal. His back is so jacked that he already had one surgery as he was about to lose control of his bladder and possibly bowels, might need another already even though the first was only 18 months ago.
Back injuries, the gift that keeps on giving.
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Like I said my problems are nothing compared to others. The next time you see him, tell him thank you for everything he has done and put himself through. God bless our service men and women
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Thanks to the three of you for doing what you can, I know way to many folks who simply give up when something like that happens!
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A friends oldest got in trouble at school and got kicked out for the week, his mom said no way in hell is he going to sit in front of the tv or surf the internet all day so I have a slave for a week while she's at work. Managed to get the frame built and the tank attached to the top for my overhead storage, also had the slave wire wheel the 500 gallon LP tank I'll be using for extra storage, also had him clean up two rims that will be going on the grain cart, also had him dig a old railroad tie out that rotted off. This indentured servant thing is sweet.
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;D, Do you think he will do that again :thumbup: ;) reminds me of threatening my son with a 3 foot piece of Vega Fosta Pex 1 inch in diameter!
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;D, Do you think he will do that again :thumbup: ;) reminds me of threatening my son with a 3 foot piece of Vega Fosta Pex 1 inch in diameter!
I have another rotted off railroad tie for him to dig up as well next time I see him standing around with his hands in his pockets. Eventually he'll learn to at least look busy.
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I bought my boy his first chainsaw and dirt bike when he was 12, deal was he used them equally, his first nickname was GITWOOD!!!!!
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Now if you bought a twelve year old a chainsaw Child Protective Services would be all over you like stink on sh*t.
Think I was about that age when I started using a chainsaw.
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Child protective services, I thought that was my job as a parent, OOPS, wrong country or at least the wrong time in history!
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Good one.!!!!
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Remind me of an incident 6 or 7 years ago. My son was throwing shingles to me and passerby threatened to turn me in. I was not polite in my response. Told them to mind their own business, I was teaching the kid work ethics as well as a trade. Told them to turn me in if they must, but remember that when they complain about the youth of today. My son was 9 or 10 at the time. He works for a dairy farmer up the road now and they are so impressed with how hard he works and his willingness to do whatever it takes.
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Started fabbing the door the other night and got it mostly tacked together and ran out of wire, picked some up at TSC today and managed to not only get the door welded together but also fabbed the hinges and latch and got that all welded on tonight.
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Not my most sophisticated hinges or latch but will work for this application. Saved the spring on the handle from the scrap bucket as it had one hook broke off. Need to get a new soft disc for the 4 inch grinder so I can clean some of the welds up around the outside of the door, welded on one side a bit then flipped and welded on the other to avoid warpage so a lot of starts and stops. Next boiler I'll have the doors with flanges formed from one piece.
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Latch and hinges both have 1 1/4" left of slot so once I get my rope gasket installed I have plenty of adjustment left. Turns out 7/16" nuts were perfect spacers to hold the door centered while welding the boiler hinge halves on.
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This turned out very well since I just guessed when I set the angle on the chop saw. Have 2 1/2" of Kaowool between the inner and outer skins, if I'm not happy with how that works I may try some perlite in the next doors and see how that works.
If when I started this somebody told me I'd still be farting around with this yet on December 1st I'd told em they've been smoking way too much dope. Did find out the last few days though if I place three patio blocks under each leg of the steel sawhorses I have it raises them just enough to weld comfortably without bending over, might be awhile before I use the actual welding bench.
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Was picking corn today until the drive on the grain pit broke so worked on the stove awhile tonight.
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Finished fabbing the front collector box and got it welded on along with the cover for it. Plan on using two pieces of 1/2" stainless steel all thread I have to hold the cover on. Going to be a real booger to locate the holes in the cover after I weld the rods to the back panel. Had some warpage even with the hem at the edge, is to be expected I guess when working with 16 gauge, stainless or not. I'll pick up some one inch rope next time I'm around Old Fort. Plan on doing the silicone and waxed paper trick.
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I have some 1" channels I made up from scrap that I will weld on vertically to the inside at the bolt holes to prevent any warpage of the cover if it's overtightened.
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Talk about highway robbery, itty bitty shaft with teeth cut into it for the Motodrive on the auger in the drive over grain pit, $2000 and a 3-4 week lead time for a replacement. Told em to keep it and bought a torque arm shaft mounted gear reducer and a new 3 phase 7 1/2 hp motor for less than $1400. Had to have a new shaft made for the 15" auger in the pit as the original was too short for the outer bushing of the gear reducer, had to notch the pit wall to make room to change belts. Spent part of Thursday figuring out what to do about a replacement and disassembling the auger trough and original drive head, carried the whole thing into the shop to work on it. Spent all day Friday mounting the gear reducer, building a new motor mount, taking the 10hp motor off a vertical auger and installing the 7 1/2hp on it. Spend all day Saturday reinstalling the trough, auger and motor, then spent most of Saturday night wiring in a VFD to control the speed of the motor driving the auger, worked into Sunday morning trying to track down a random electrical short. A metal chip from drilling the holes for new conduit found it's way down into a relay socket, took about two hours to find that.
Picked corn all day Sunday and today till we got rained out, again.
Installed the rope seal tonight on the door and cleanout door, did the silicone trick. Got the half inch stainless all thread welded in as well to hold the clean out door on. Cut a big washer out of stainless to fit over the 2 inch pipe that feeds the oil and air to the burn pot, the washer holds up a piece of ceramic blanket. Tacking stainless cotter keys to the inside of the burn chamber, slip the ceramic blanket over the cooter key, then a stainless fender washer then spread the cotter key to hold the washer. Us the ceramic blanket since the fire is directed straight up out of the burn pot to keep from boiling water right above the pot.
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Got the control circuit done tonight, created a latching circuit. Since the burner won't reignite itself once the water reaches temperature once the Ranco hits the setpoint nothing will get juice again until a normally open pushbutton is depressed, once it's depressed and if their is a call for heat the Ranco keeps the circuit latched into the on position, no juice from the Ranco and the circuit opens stopping the oil pump then incorporated a delay off relay so the fan will run up to five minutes after the oil is off to cool stuff. Also won't relatch if the power should go out without pushing the button even if in use at the time.
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Not having much luck picking are ya?
Glad to see that your oil burner is coming along nicely though.
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Fighting weather during harvest always sucks. BTDT many moons ago. :bash:
How many acres,,,, how many rows on your head?
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Finished Sunday the 14th. Brough everything home, spent all day Monday cleaning stuff.
750 acres of corn, 8 row head on a Massey Ferguson rotary.
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Watched a video of a 9560 with 8 rows doing corn. Good Lord,,,,, looked like he was going at least 10 MPH! :o
The old Gleaner E didn't quite have that in it! We've come a long ways. :thumbup:
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We run a 8780 on the corn head, rotor is set up for strictly corn, can run anywhere from 3.5-4 mph depending on the corn, the rotor and motor can handle it, just don't have enough sieve area and you'll spit corn out the back then.
Have a 9690 for beans, would love to find a corn head for that and see what it'll do. Father just spent too much on the old cornhead though that won't fit the newer machine, all poly, new snapping roll knives and stripper plates. The 9690 will handle a 30' head at 4+ mph cutting 14-15% beans with green stems yet. Ran some good dry beans at 5mph on 5/8 mile long rows that would fill the 300 bushel hopper on the machine in one round, almost took the grain cart to that field.
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Primed it yesterday, also got the new air/fuel supply tube built.
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Old one didn't use em, but since the new tube is over three feet long I drilled holes 120 degrees apart then tapped them for 1/4" bolts, jammed the bolts on the inside with nuts, cut what was left on the outside off then welded in place to keep the oil tube centered.
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Slipped on the ice but didn't fall but still took me out of commission for almost a week. Have a cat scan scheduled for Wednesday, orthopedist thinks not only do I have the bulging disc and the torn one, but that I also cracked at least one vertebrae. Getting rear ended, the gift that just keeps giving.
I've been topping a lot of trees out with the wife's help, but after I got some logs out of the woods finally, bending over with a chainsaw to cut em up ain't gonna happen.
Lines are ran in the shop, new double wall insulated vent ready to be put up, heat exchanger is all plumbed. Just need a warmer day to fire up the boom lift and install the new stack on the shop. Also hoping for a warmer day to move the old stove out and place the new boiler. High of 10 tomorrow, not a good day for the boom lift.
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Do have the wood boiler circuit to the shop up and running, less than one degree heat loss in 123" foot of Logstor. Used the standard 1/2" pipe insulation on the copper pipes in the shop, just barely warm to the touch, cut a opening in the back of an old fridge and placed the 50 plate HX in that to keep the welding rods and spare rolls of wire dry. Just toasty enough in the fridge to thaw my V8 Fruit Medley out in, had to have something to mix the Grey Goose with.
Another observation, since getting the second pump up and running my stove when it burns, it runs much longer than it used to, but the idle times are also much longer, tells me I wasn't getting very good mixing of the water before and didn't actually have 270 gallons of 190 degree water.
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Sucks to hear you're hurting. But I'm glad you're getting it all hooked up and running.
If you need wood cut or anything else, just let me know.
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Sucks to hear you're hurting. But I'm glad you're getting it all hooked up and running.
If you need wood cut or anything else, just let me know.
Thanks for the offer, these new meds they have me on I probably could cut all the wood I wanted, could probably cause even more damage in the process and wouldn't know it till the meds wore off.
My uncle has my old firewood processor, he doesn't have enough tractor to run it though, my Oliver 88 diesel runs it ok, next one up runs it great but he ain't getting that one (was my Grandfathers). The chainsaw on the processor will make the 88 blow some black smoke and it's 45 hp at the PTO. Uncles tractor is a tired, wore out 8N that were lucky when new to have half the horsepower as the 88.
Time to trade some tractor time for some processor time.
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Heating with waste oil today, been a long time coming.
All those silly questions on the forms for the doctors and specialists office "Are you depressed because of your injury?" NO, I"M PISSED OFF BECAUSE I AIN"T GETTING JACK SH*T DONE!!! Fix it cause this is bullish*t, I have things to do.
Anyways, up and running, warmer day around 38 or so, waste oil boiler seems to be able to keep up with both the shop and house atm. Not real happy with the draft, going to get the stainless double wall vent up outside and see if that helps, just using a chunk of 14 gauge 8" auger tube thats been there for awhile. If a new vent doesn't help may have to go with a power vent. Exhaust temps are only running about 30 degrees warmer than the water temp, so around 220 when the water is at 190. Just don't think there is enough heat to get the big stack warm enough to draw properly. Old exhaust temp would burn yah if you were silly enough to put your hand on the stack.
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Is 32 here today, house is at 73, the shop is at 55 and I have it running a little under half capacity which is about 2 1/2 quarts an hour. Wood boiler hasn't fired since 7am when I started the oil boiler.