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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #135 on: April 21, 2014, 08:14:30 PM »

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #136 on: April 21, 2014, 08:14:41 PM »

Global cooling theory?  What kinda weed are you smoking....    Neal

You can't have one without the other. 

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #137 on: April 21, 2014, 08:17:41 PM »

The point that you cannot answer a simple question,,, yes.  I agree.  :thumbup:
With my answer, your question (the answer you wish to predetermine) is rendered moot.

Neal

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #138 on: April 21, 2014, 08:19:04 PM »

Global cooling theory?  What kinda weed are you smoking....    Neal

You can't have one without the other. 

Never touched illicit drugs (admittedly have used aspirin, ibuprofen, and overindulgence of ethanol back in my youth)... doubt I will either.
And folks say I troll. 

Wasn't wood ethanol was it??   ;D

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #139 on: April 21, 2014, 08:20:50 PM »

Neal here is an example of the cycles that occur on earth, I know you believe that we are the cause of global warming but I believe it is all up to the sun.

 as a period of unusually warm weather in Europe and the North Atlantic that ran from approximately 250 BC to 400 AD. [1][dead link] Cooling at the end of this period in south west Florida may have been due to a reduction in solar radiation reaching the Earth, which may have triggered a change in atmospheric circulation patterns. [2]

Theophrastus (371 – c. 287 BC) wrote that date trees could grow in Greece if planted, but could not set fruit there. This is the same situation as today, and suggests that southern Aegean mean summer temperatures in the fourth and fifth centuries BC were within a degree of modern temperatures. This and other literary fragments from the time confirm that the Greek climate during that period was basically the same as it was around 2000 AD. Dendrochronological evidence from wood found at the Parthenon shows variability of climate in the fifth century BC resembling the modern pattern of variation. [3]

Tree rings from Italy in the late third century BC indicate a period of mild conditions in the area at the time that Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants. [4]

The phrase "Roman Warm Period" appears in a 1995 doctoral thesis. [5] It was popularized by an article published in Nature in 1999.
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #140 on: April 21, 2014, 08:21:34 PM »

You can't have one without the other. 

Never touched illicit drugs (admittedly have used aspirin, ibuprofen, and overindulgence of ethanol back in my youth)... doubt I will either.
And folks say I troll. 

Wasn't wood ethanol was it??   ;D Neal

No wood alcohol... which is methanol btw.... not ethanol. ;)  (<-- This represents my contribution to answering the question asked; something you choose not to do when the answer does not favor your position)

Out of context Dr. Google. ;)

Global warming theory to global cooling theory is the reference.  :thumbup: (maybe that is why you believe that nonsense?.... dunno).
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #141 on: April 21, 2014, 08:23:04 PM »

The point that you cannot answer a simple question,,, yes.  I agree.  :thumbup:
With my answer, your question (the answer you wish to predetermine) is rendered moot.

Neal

I do not predetermine your answer... you are the one typing it, not I. 

Perhaps the weed is burning in your OWB  :-\ and.... nevermind... forgot, you don't own an OWB yet.  Cheers!  :thumbup:
Sure you do, you have already shown you did.

I am well aware I don't own one.  I came to this forum looking for ideas and suggestions about a proposed system that I wish to build that has one.  You know, researching the topic, something a scientific mind should know about..... 

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #142 on: April 21, 2014, 08:25:55 PM »

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Looking for "facts" on an OWB forum?  Wow!  This explains much.

Aside from personal experiences and field experiences from our resident dealers, not sure what "facts" can be gleaned from anyone but the engineers and craftsmen that designed, manufactured, and assembled the OWB products.....

...but good experiential information, installation practices, opinions, best practices, opinions on system designs, etc.,,,yes.  Agreed.  :thumbup:
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #143 on: April 21, 2014, 08:29:29 PM »

Neal here is an example of the cycles that occur on earth, I know you believe that we are the cause of global warming but I believe it is all up to the sun.

 as a period of unusually warm weather in Europe and the North Atlantic that ran from approximately 250 BC to 400 AD. [1][dead link] Cooling at the end of this period in south west Florida may have been due to a reduction in solar radiation reaching the Earth, which may have triggered a change in atmospheric circulation patterns. [2]

Theophrastus (371 – c. 287 BC) wrote that date trees could grow in Greece if planted, but could not set fruit there. This is the same situation as today, and suggests that southern Aegean mean summer temperatures in the fourth and fifth centuries BC were within a degree of modern temperatures. This and other literary fragments from the time confirm that the Greek climate during that period was basically the same as it was around 2000 AD. Dendrochronological evidence from wood found at the Parthenon shows variability of climate in the fifth century BC resembling the modern pattern of variation. [3]

Tree rings from Italy in the late third century BC indicate a period of mild conditions in the area at the time that Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants. [4]

The phrase "Roman Warm Period" appears in a 1995 doctoral thesis. [5] It was popularized by an article published in Nature in 1999.
I do?  I believe I said that we impact the climate, not that we are responsible for all the warming...

Meanwhile back in present times.....




It is quite clear the warming isn't all the sun.  That seems to be fairly clear.  Over the past 50-60 years we have seen a very significant divergence between the solar output (declining) and global temperature (increasing).

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #144 on: April 21, 2014, 08:33:18 PM »

Wow!   :o

The best part about the 30-year graph you like to post is the colors.  Very vibrant.  Unfortunately, they don't tell me much about the planet nor its normal average global temperature fluctuation over the planet's life span.  .... and politicians craft legislation over this pseudo-science! Awesome misuse of taxpayers dollars to support the globalists' socialistic agenda.  :thumbup:

Anyone know what percentage of the global warming claim has been attributed to the bovine flatulence funding out Democratic U.S. Congress authorized?  ::)  More fantastic pork barrel spending in the name of "research."  LOL!
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« Reply #145 on: April 21, 2014, 08:35:26 PM »

So the Romans must have all had cars and factories and burned fossil fuels to make it so warm they couldn't sustain life :o
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« Reply #146 on: April 21, 2014, 08:35:40 PM »

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Looking for "facts" on an OWB forum?  Wow!  This explains much.

Aside from personal experiences and field experiences from our resident dealers, not sure what "facts" can be gleaned from anyone but the engineers and craftsmen that assembled the products.....

...but good experiential information, yes.  :thumbup:
The guys here are pretty good, but I dunno if everything is fact.....    Thus why I stated ideas and suggestions...  Perhaps a little less condescending retort and a  little more comprehension would help you.    :thumbup:

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« Reply #147 on: April 21, 2014, 08:38:05 PM »

You can't have one without the other. 

Never touched illicit drugs (admittedly have used aspirin, ibuprofen, and overindulgence of ethanol back in my youth)... doubt I will either.
And folks say I troll. 

Wasn't wood ethanol was it??   ;D Neal

No wood alcohol... which is methanol btw.... not ethanol. ;)  (<-- This represents my contribution to answering the question asked; something you choose not to do when the answer does not favor your position)

Out of context Dr. Google. ;)

Global warming theory to global cooling theory is the reference.  :thumbup: (maybe that is why you believe that nonsense?.... dunno).
Actually I was insinuating more along the lines of cellulosic ethanol (which isn't methanol), which is made from wood products. 

You are not making any sense.

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« Reply #148 on: April 21, 2014, 08:38:44 PM »

So the Romans must have all had cars and factories and burned fossil fuels to make it so warm they couldn't sustain life :o
What?

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« Reply #149 on: April 21, 2014, 08:41:30 PM »

Wow!   :o

The best part about the 30-year graph you like to post is the colors.  Vey vibrant.  Unfortunately, they don't tell me much about the planet nor its normal average global temperature fluctuation over the planet's life span.  .... and politicians craft legislation over this pseudo-science! Awesome misuse of taxpayers dollars to support the globalists' socialistic agenda.  :thumbup:

Anyone know what percentage of the global warming claim has been attributed to the bovine flatulence funding out Democratic U.S. Congress authorized?  ::)  More fantastic pork barrel spending in the name of "research."  LOL!


I'm not quite sure how to respond to that bloviation.... 

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