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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #165 on: April 22, 2014, 11:05:25 AM »

Well of course we domesticate them for those things, that doesn't mean we should ignore the issues that domestication creates.  Neal

Does this mean you support federally taxpayer-funded Cow Flatulence Global Warming studies for data collection?  :-\
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #166 on: April 22, 2014, 11:20:52 AM »

Neal, if we are so concerned about methane then please explain why it is that EVERY landfill that I drive by has risers sticking out of them with no way to capture the methane escaping from them, OH wait a minute I think I'm beginning to understand, it's OK as long as govt does it just plug up your dairy or beef cows ass and let the govt steal your own money to cripple yet another needed industry
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #167 on: April 22, 2014, 11:25:33 AM »

Boy, all this fussing over Cow farts NEAL, if it were not  for man the buffalo and cows and elk and every other damned animal would be over populated and there for farting up a storm and making more methane than the Ocean. Speaking of the Ocean it is a wounder the so called Scientist don`t want to drain it some how to try to get rid of that methane. DO YOU GET MY DRIFT SOME PEOPLE CALL IT COMMON SENSE! 
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #168 on: April 22, 2014, 11:31:54 AM »

Well of course we domesticate them for those things, that doesn't mean we should ignore the issues that domestication creates.  Neal

Does this mean you support federally taxpayer-funded Cow Flatulence Global Warming studies for data collection?  :-\
If it is submitted responsibly yes, indeed.

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #169 on: April 22, 2014, 11:33:52 AM »

Neal, if we are so concerned about methane then please explain why it is that EVERY landfill that I drive by has risers sticking out of them with no way to capture the methane escaping from them, OH wait a minute I think I'm beginning to understand, it's OK as long as govt does it just plug up your dairy or beef cows ass and let the govt steal your own money to cripple yet another needed industry
There have been studies on both landfill methane and cow methane.  Both make sense and are already pretty well covered.

Did any study or government recommendation suggest plugging up a cows ass?

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #170 on: April 22, 2014, 11:36:31 AM »

Boy, all this fussing over Cow farts NEAL, if it were not  for man the buffalo and cows and elk and every other damned animal would be over populated and there for farting up a storm and making more methane than the Ocean. Speaking of the Ocean it is a wounder the so called Scientist don`t want to drain it some how to try to get rid of that methane. DO YOU GET MY DRIFT SOME PEOPLE CALL IT COMMON SENSE!
I'm not the one fussing, that seems to be in your guys's hands. 

You are suggesting people would want to drain the ocean, and yet suggest that other's aren't using common sense? 

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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #171 on: April 22, 2014, 11:41:13 AM »

The fuss is about your govt. Stealing our money to promote your theory, if you believe in it let me ask you, have you personally spent one dime of your own money to support it, stop stealing mine!
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #172 on: April 22, 2014, 12:07:34 PM »

The fuss is about your govt. Stealing our money to promote your theory, if you believe in it let me ask you, have you personally spent one dime of your own money to support it, stop stealing mine!
First off, it isn't my theory, many people who know much more about the topic determined the theory.

Secondly, some of my money goes into researching our impact on the climate.  I am fine with that, and in fact promote it. 

Thirdly you are certainly free to move to another country, or try to change the policies you feel unjust via elections.

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« Reply #173 on: April 22, 2014, 12:09:01 PM »

AMEN SLIM! ;)
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #174 on: April 22, 2014, 12:14:42 PM »

WHAT THE HECK DO YOU THINK I'M DOING and yes I could choose to let you and your socialist friends destroy this mighty nation by govt. Takeover, but as a Libertarian I will Die first! Perhaps it is you and the rest of the socialists that should leave the nation that my ancestors fought so bravely to make a liberty minded nation for.
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #175 on: April 22, 2014, 12:15:41 PM »

Beef, it's what's for dinner!
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #176 on: April 22, 2014, 12:16:00 PM »

17 TRILLION in debt, where would you like to stop KNEEL
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« Reply #177 on: April 22, 2014, 12:18:43 PM »

Gotta go with Slim on that one!
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Re: our wood stoves are horrible but epa thinks this is fine
« Reply #178 on: April 22, 2014, 12:31:25 PM »

Your post is complete and udder crap.

To you perhaps,,, but so is Bovine Flatulent Global Warming studies to me and others who think this is an utter waste of taxpayer money.

BTW.... I do not know if you actually intended for your post to be such an awesome play on words, I must commend you on using the word "udder" (the baggy mammary gland on a bovine/cow) along with the word "crap" (considering that are basically talking about cow farts).  If not, I think you mean "utter crap."  :thumbup:

1.  It makes perfect scientific sense to study all causes of the warming, cow farts included.  Humans have domesticated massive amounts of cows.  Methane is a known GHG, and the amount that the domestication of livestock impacts our climate is certainly a legitimate study topic.  You are being highly ignorant on this issue.

I hardly believe I am ignorant on this issue but hey, I'll just say "whatever"  ::) on that one. 

Over the lifetime of the earth, there were and have been far more animals on the planet farting away for many centuries and I am certain it will continue.  And increase in domestic livestock levels and their associated flatulent methane output levels have certainly been negated by man's reduction (and elimination in some cases) of certain animal species.  I have to believe that man's impact has caused a significant decrease in the global population levels of elephants and hippos (most of the larger mammals) has proportionately decreased the amount of flatulent methane produced by former herd levels and compensated for by cow flatulent methane levels. 

In short, a wash... but the point is that it is a waste of taxpayer money.... much of which is spent anyway by global warming-supporting politicians protecting their own interests, corporate "green" company kickbacks (do you want to hear the Solydra story again?) and misguided belief systems over that of their core constituencies.  Those politicians ARE NOT SCIENTISTS and simply use the global warming lie to exploit money and political favors from corporations and the other members of the federal government.  Same game that has been going on for decades.... even longer than global warming discussions.  Call me all the words you wish but I tend to like to think my taxpaye dollars, your taxpayer dollars, and everyone else's taxpayer dollars are quite a bit better spent on simple life necessities: food, clothing, shelter, heat (not everyone has these you know and no global warming study is ever going to help those in need of those basic necessities).

2.  Yes, sophisticated understanding, that comes from continued scientific discoveries, made by studying (cow farts included).  Again, you are showing a large amount of ignorance if you think our understanding of the climate is not more sophisticated than in Roman times.  Get a freeking clue dude.

I will take that one as I was too sloppy with my words previously.  :thumbup: Yes... data collection and technology to collect said data are indeed more sophisticated.  Bravo!

The "understanding of the climate" is not more sophisticated... it is simply based on making more connections as to what influences what on the planet and the mechanisms by which that is understood to be occuring.  If that is"sophistication of understanding" to you, so be it.  I view it more as seeing what has always been there but our eyes and minds were not processing what is truly already there.

3. You are 100% incorrect in your statement that the data gathered over the last 100 years (and the past 30+ for high resolution) is estimates.  That is absolutely wrong.  It is directly measured data.

After reading my previous post, I can understand how you interpreted my previous statement.  The "last 130-year data" (post Industrial Revolution time frame to present, generally speaking) has been measured more accurately and yes, in some cases, direct measurements.  My point with all of my "...blathering about earth and its age" is that what we have measured in the last 130 or so years cannot be easily extrapolated back into pre-Industrial Revolution temperature and global climate data!  No one knows how hot the earth actually was when it was forming, solidifying, or what species of fruit Adam and Eve were eating.  You have a VERY small data set for declaring "fact" about global warming since the majority of the data wasn't (and can no longer be) "collected."  Plain and simple.

Obviously you support federal spending on these global warming studies and many of us here at OWBI.com do not.  Support/believe what you wish but again, you have a small pail of facts in search of a problem statement.  I disagree that global warming is indeed the problem statement.  Pretty simple.

4.  Your blathering about earth and it's age, and man somehow destroying shows how out to lunch you are.  Climate change is not about man destroying the earth, that isn't going to happen.  It is about how much man's impact is absorbed by the planet and how the natural cycles and processes of the planet deal with man's influence.  Neal

You support Bovine Flatulent Global warming studies and I am out to lunch!??  :o  Wowser!

According to YOUR belief in the global warming theory(-ies), man is destroying the earth.  It is one of the underlying themes of the whole pseudo-warming issue.  Somehow all of this cow-farting methane and carbon dioxide-producing internal combustion processes are "killing the earth." 

Your pseudo-theory supporters insist that somehow, every property-destroying typhoon, Hurricane Sandy, tornado in the midwest, flood, earthquake tremor, record high temperature recorded, extinction of the Golden Toad, polar ice cap shrinking 3 millimeter fluctuation of a given location's sea level, and on and on and on and on is all do to global warming and climate change.  These events do indeed destroy the earth.  Buildings collapseCrock-O-Chit,,, plain and simple.  The alarmists supporting climate change support it for that very reason (they believe it is slowly killing the planet and all of its inhabitants). 

Destruction and creation are natural phenomena but somehow you global warming guys think that man is not part of the earth's natural evolutionary process?  We humans are animals too,,,, and we have been farting since we existed here.  But I am not going to say my butt methane is creating a global phenomenon.
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« Reply #179 on: April 22, 2014, 12:32:37 PM »

WHAT THE HECK DO YOU THINK I'M DOING and yes I could choose to let you and your socialist friends destroy this mighty nation by govt. Takeover, but as a Libertarian I will Die first! Perhaps it is you and the rest of the socialists that should leave the nation that my ancestors fought so bravely to make a liberty minded nation for.
I'm certainly not socialist.  You don't have a very good understanding of political classifications if you think myself (or any of my friends) are socialist.

I am also a Libertarian.

Again, you are off the mark thinking that I am any kind of a socialist, it simply is an inaccurate judgement.

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