Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => Regulations => Topic started by: whitepine2 on August 15, 2017, 06:20:47 PM
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Some info for 2020 EPA certs. :bash:
https://www.farmingmagazine.com/woodlots/epa-new-source-performance-standards/?utm_source=newsletter_081517&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTldJM016TXhNbUkzT1RndyIsInQiOiJ4T0VMaUZKSm9cL0ZGNk5KS2xzd2hDVmlIeHUydStKMDNaQ2l3a2NIZTlYV2hldnViRHBaRFNcL05zUjVaWkRBTmUxRTVWZE9sZjl5Nk82d2hkUW9YbUFqV2ZoV3UyN3VpeERsbkswSkM0d2krNjkwXC9OaFpXZlArQzlaT1RGYjhoQSJ9
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Long as they don’t decide to tighten em up even more before 2020, several manufacturers already have stoves that pass the 2020, regs. The G100 and G200 from Heatmaster already pass as well as the smaller two from Polar.
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As was mentioned in the article, cost of testing is a big killer. The timeframe is tight enough but maybe doable.... But the cost at the same time slows innovation. It's a tough situation.
It sounds like the warm air furnace manufacturers are in a tougher spot than the OWB manufacturers.
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I didn’t delve into the whole article too deep, but will coal boilers still be allowed for residential use after 2020?
We went to a Steam and Power show over the weekend, you could tell which ones were burning coal by the god awful stench if you got downwind of em, made a diesel rolling coal seem like perfume. I mean these things smelled like they were burning used jockstraps, didn’t matter is they were just sitting or running, they stunk.
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I didn’t delve into the whole article too deep, but will coal boilers still be allowed for residential use after 2020?
We went to a Steam and Power show over the weekend, you could tell which ones were burning coal by the god awful stench if you got downwind of em, made a diesel rolling coal seem like perfume. I mean these things smelled like they were burning used jockstraps, didn’t matter is they were just sitting or running, they stunk.
Growing up (er, I mean getting older) we had a coal fired boiler in the basement of our old farmhouse. I can remember smelling the coal gases if something wasn't running just right. Man, did that ever stink. Roger
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I didn’t delve into the whole article too deep, but will coal boilers still be allowed for residential use after 2020?
We went to a Steam and Power show over the weekend, you could tell which ones were burning coal by the god awful stench if you got downwind of em, made a diesel rolling coal seem like perfume. I mean these things smelled like they were burning used jockstraps, didn’t matter is they were just sitting or running, they stunk.
I don't think the coal exemption is supposed to change but it's been a while since I read all the way through the NSPS. I'm not sure I feel like wading through it again soon either. :o A lot to absorb..
I think the allowed emissions drop on wood units and the way they average test runs is more stringent.
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I thought I read something saying coal was good until 2025 and from then a clean burn act was in process. This would be for power plants as well. Called clean coal or something like that. Would need to have an electronic device in the chimney to catch all fine ash particulate plus a reburner filter and catalytic converter
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With Trump in office I don't worry about it. Wood stoves and boilers are safe for now. When I went to buy an OWB 3 years ago I had to buy a gasifacation boiler due to laws in the Peoples republic of Massachusetts, at first the cost pissed me off but it runs great and I burn allot less than another wood boiler guy I worked with.
I still have my old coal stove in the basement as back up. It burns anthracite so it has no smoke. Still run it here and there in the winter. Nothing beats the heat a coal fire on a cold snowy day.
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Really after burning downdraft for over three years I'd never go back to a conventional, law or no law. They work so much better and more efficient.
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Noing what you know now,would you have switched for no reason ? There’s nothing wrong with my furnace, and i never paid for wood yet . But thinking 🤔
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Noing what you know now,would you have switched for no reason ? There’s nothing wrong with my furnace, and i never paid for wood yet . But thinking 🤔
Actually when I replaced mine I still had a year left to get a conventional. Less wood for starters and no billowing clouds of smoke for another.
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Same for me. Less ash too .
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Nobody knows you're even burning wood unless they see you hauling it in. I've seen G's running in pretty densely populated areas with no complaints.
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Noing what you know now,would you have switched for no reason ? There’s nothing wrong with my furnace, and i never paid for wood yet . But thinking 🤔
Actually when I replaced mine I still had a year left to get a conventional. Less wood for starters and no billowing clouds of smoke for another.
Same here, I could have gone with another conventional when I purchased my current stove. Burning at least 1\3 less wood and no more smoke sold me on a gasifier.
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So it seems the hated liberals pushing the law wasn't so horrible after all.... >:D
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So it seems the hated liberals pushing the law wasn't so horrible after all.... >:D
You mean other than people losing jobs after the company they worked for folded either from not having a compliant model or not being able to afford the testing and certification?
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So it seems the hated liberals pushing the law wasn't so horrible after all.... >:D
You mean other than people losing jobs after the company they worked for folded either from not having a compliant model or not being able to afford the testing and certification?
Absolutely.
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Then lets not forget about all the people who now have stoves wit worthless warranties as the manufacture’s closure was a direct result of the EPA rules?
Instead of forcing it on people, they could have done a slower phase in and had a program like cash for clunkers except cash for smokers.
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Then lets not forget about all the people who now have stoves wit worthless warranties as the manufacture’s closure was a direct result of the EPA rules?
Instead of forcing it on people, they could have done a slower phase in and had a program like cash for clunkers except cash for smokers.
There will always be whiny excuses to not deploy. I'd rather government not continually drag on their regulations. Get it over with and make a clean break so to speak.
People can buy stoves and be in the same spot if a mfg goes belly up (and they have) irrespective of government compliance. Personally I have a hard time feeling for companies that have such shoddy leadership that they can't manage to offer complying models. It shows lack of research, understanding, and involvement in the industry. There was no excuse for a stove mfg to be missing a compliant model from their lineup when the rules rolled out, none.
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Then lets not forget about all the people who now have stoves wit worthless warranties as the manufacture’s closure was a direct result of the EPA rules?
Instead of forcing it on people, they could have done a slower phase in and had a program like cash for clunkers except cash for smokers.
There will always be whiny excuses to not deploy. I'd rather government not continually drag on their regulations. Get it over with and make a clean break so to speak.
People can buy stoves and be in the same spot if a mfg goes belly up (and they have) irrespective of government compliance. Personally I have a hard time feeling for companies that have such shoddy leadership that they can't manage to offer complying models. It shows lack of research, understanding, and involvement in the industry. There was no excuse for a stove mfg to be missing a compliant model from their lineup when the rules rolled out, none.
Well other than the pesky tens of thousands of dollars for each test for each model?
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I know of two companies that had compliant stoves that went out. Seems like some companies that didn't do the R&D and just kept going are doing as well, due to lack of enforcement. In the end I wonder how much EPA had to do with companies failure but rather market conditions. Fuel , Natural gas, are just more economical than a few years back. But they did spur the gassification technology which was good in my opinion.