Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
General => For Sale => Topic started by: GUSWHIT on December 18, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
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As the subject reads, BL34-44 for sale. Unit has only been used 3 weeks. Received a shut down notice from the guberment. Make a reasonable offer! I know you guys know what these things cost.
815-297-3254
guswhit1999@gmail.com
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Damn that sucks!!!
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Local, feds? What happened?! That's terrible.
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I am past the point of venting with words that you can't use here I think, so I will give a brief synopsis. Moved to an outlaying area(2miles from town) with lot sizes over 2 acres. City had annexed property, no rules in city limits. Started construction in 2015, purchased unit in January of 2016 but never moved it onto property. City adopted new legislation in March of 2016. Set stove in August of 2017 and finally finished the install on the weekend after Thanksgiving. I'm sure that some @#$%^&* person new exactly what I was doing, but no one said anything until I fired it up. Can't fight them, even though it was purchased before the change in the ordinance, it wasn't on the property. Will try and sell it and see about finding a unit that I can put in a sealed off room in my oversized garage. I guess my own fault for not staying up on the local laws but I had a lot on my plate, building the house myself. At least the guy said he wouldn't write me a fine since I complied right away.
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Ouch... You did the right thing tho. Smarter than many would have been.
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Ask them if they can pay your heating fuel bills.
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I designed everything in this house around the outdoor burner. It has infloor heat for the basement and the garage, zones that go under the ceramic tile in the bathrooms/showers, extra modine type in the garage if the doors are open too long. Not sure how much I have invested if you'd add all of those things up. Exploring my options right now, but not sure what type of units I could put inside a separate room of my garage. Need to check with the insurance company as well to see what they will allow.
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A G series unit is outdoor and indoor rated. I'm not sure which of the other brands represented on here are, I'm sure others can chime in.
I know there are more out there too that have been indoor only for years but a some require storage for proper operation, be sure to check.
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Was going to look at a G200. Was hoping that I would find someone that has already installed one inside a building to see how they liked it.
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Was going to look at a G200. Was hoping that I would find someone that has already installed one inside a building to see how they liked it.
There are a few plp on the FB group "Outdoor Wood Boilers" that have placed them inside their garage. That is the route that I would go if I were you. I have a G200, it is a workhorse. You will like it. I plan on building a storage shed around mine this spring.
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Where are you located???????
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52732 zip code, Just across the Mississippi river into Iowa
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52732 zip code, Just across the Mississippi river into Iowa
Phase 2 qualified gasification units are completely out of the question as well??? Im sure a PM EGR 250 would suite you right and I got to believe that Portage and Main would be willing to do a swap out for the 34-44 given your situation and the fact that it is a brand new stove.
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It appears to me that they are not distinguishing between the types. I have copied the words below.
(A) The outdoor boiler/furnace shall be installed only on a property that is at least two acres in size.
(B) The outdoor boiler/furnace shall be installed at least 500 linear feet from the nearest property line that is not on the same property as the wood-fired furnace and/or boiler unit.
(C) The outdoor boiler furnace shall be installed per manufacturer’s instruction, as well as complying with all local and state codes that pertain to installation.
(D) The outdoor boiler/furnace shall have a chimney that extends to at least 15 feet above the ground surface or five feet higher than the nearest roof.
(E) The only allowable material allowed to be burned in an outdoor boiler/furnace is cleaned, dry hardwood.
No rules whatsoever for any appliance inside a building according to the official. Almost makes me want to get a firedragon and burn boxelder.
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hmmmm, I would go with a Heatmaster G200 then. They are rated for indoor use. I don't believe the EGR 250 is. It sucks, but what you could do is build small shed around the foundation that you already poured for the boiler??? hence making it an "indoor unit"
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Minimum size requirements on out building, setback from house requirements and making it look like/similar to home to blend are hindrances there. Also, I have a 1376 sq ft garage that I can easily/inexpensively make a separate room in for an indoor unit. Hate to give up garage space, but it appears as my only option at the moment with the cash I have available to put towards this. Of course my budget is completely blown right now. Won't be able to do much until I can get this one sold. Sorry I'm a whiner right now.
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no your not whining, I definitely understand your situation...I would give Brian a Call at P&M and ask about possibly buying back the unit. I would hope that they would do right by you and understand your situation. Its worth a shot.
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Oh one more thing to compound my misery, called my dealer and he has went out of the business of selling the furnaces, and just texted me back that he could be of no assistance.
Merry Christmas!
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Wow...
If yours is a pre May 2015 manufacture before the EPA regs it might sell pretty easily on Craigslist as it would be a used unregulated model. Now's the time to advertise v. in the spring or summer.
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I posted it there as well already. Thanks though.
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dealer can't help??? call Brian Martin at the manufacturing plant. that's bullcrap!!
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dealer can't help??? call Brian Martin at the manufacturing plant. that's bullcrap!!
Not sure why you think Brian should step in here? The OP said he purchased the unit January 2016, and I believe from a dealer who isn't in the business anymore. Don't know how this is Brian's responsibility. IMO.
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dealer can't help??? call Brian Martin at the manufacturing plant. that's bullcrap!!
Not sure why you think Brian should step in here? The OP said he purchased the unit January 2016, and I believe from a dealer who isn't in the business anymore. Don't know how this is Brian's responsibility. IMO.
Its not the manufacturers fault. I only called back to see if my dealer might know anyone that was shopping for a unit and would want a gently "used" unit. I'm not looking for an even swap here, just venting a little bit about my issue and trying to find a home for this unit so I can go to an indoor gasser or maybe even a garn. Its going to cost me a little, but in the end I will beat these people.
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GUSWHIT, I can totally get your frustration and I hope you can find an answer to your situation.
My post was only in response to d5knapp as he mentioned Brian and or PM should do something. Maybe they are, maybe not, but I wouldn't have expected them to do anything if it were me in this situation. I know that you have only been burning for a few weeks, but you mentioned that you purchased it almost 2 years ago. If this info is incorrect, my apologies.
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No, everything you said is correct. I was just trying to clarify things that maybe people did not glean from the rest of the thread. No worries about responses from anyone here. I'm just trying to put out the word at this time to get it to a good home without losing my a$$ completely now. If I hadn't been so pokey building my house, I would have had it all hooked up right after I bought it but was trying to get the family moved in, then of course summer hits and doing other things, not thinking about winter ever coming and wanting heat. I realize that the weather hasn't been too cold around my parts yet, but the heat it was putting off in my system was wonderful. I had to turn the thermostat in the basement down because the slab was keeping it too warm down there! I was just getting the feel for the loading and the heat needs and had been just bringing wood home from my side firewood business since I started. I had burned not quite 3 full size pickup loads of wood that was just thrown in loosely about level full with the box sides. I believe that it was going to be quite more efficient than my old CB 5036 while heating a much larger house, garage and the infloor heat. Not that it matters now. If you know of anyone that wants a great stove and a great deal, please send them this way. Thanks guys for the support!
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Hey, life gets on the way, I know that. Good luck with everything.
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dealer can't help??? call Brian Martin at the manufacturing plant. that's bullcrap!!
Not sure why you think Brian should step in here? The OP said he purchased the unit January 2016, and I believe from a dealer who isn't in the business anymore. Don't know how this is Brian's responsibility. IMO.
I didn't mean "thts bull crap" on P&M....I mean that sucks his dealer is now out of business. I said call Brian because he seems like a good guy that would be willing to help....that's all. Didn't mean "its his problem" but rather maybe he can HELP the situation.
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Someone must need to buy themselves a Christmas present! LOL. Was hoping to not have to run the circulator all winter if I didn't have to! This pre EPA stove will make someone a great unit and at a GREATLY discounted price from a new one!
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There is no local dealers that will give a buy back price? You said your P&M dealer is out of business...anyone other dealers around to call?
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Get a Garn and be done with it. Then they can kiss your a&$.
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Waiting on a quote for a garn now. Looking at a heatmaster g200 also. Really want to be able to tie into existing lines with out a lot of screwing around. Plumber buddy told me to get a gas boiler, he's not my friend anymore! LOL
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As much as I like my furnace, if I had gas available I probably would have gone that way as it isn't expensive here compared to propane, oil or electric heating. I have lots of wood available thanks to Dutch Elm disease and now Emerald Ash borer. But sometimes, just sometimes it would be nice to just turn up the thermostat and not have the extra work.
If I were you, I'd at least get a comparative estimate on the gas boiler vs the Garn, just for the hell of it.
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I've heard good things about Garn. Their designed for the very thing your looking at doing. Ive considered going that route a time or two, but i just don't want to give up the space in the garage. In your situation it sounds like it might be a good solution.
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As much as I like my furnace, if I had gas available I probably would have gone that way as it isn't expensive here compared to propane, oil or electric heating. I have lots of wood available thanks to Dutch Elm disease and now Emerald Ash borer. But sometimes, just sometimes it would be nice to just turn up the thermostat and not have the extra work.
If I were you, I'd at least get a comparative estimate on the gas boiler vs the Garn, just for the hell of it.
Well, I only have L.P. available. A gas boiler would cost me right at $3,000.00 but then of course I'm tied to the propane price gouging, but I should have some left over cash from selling the furnace. I have a firewood gig selling to 3 state parks and I have enough surplus from that to keep my home burner feed without costing me any real money so that is one of the things influencing me. Most people around here that burn wood, process it themselves, so it isn't like I have a market to sell to those people. I really don't want to do that anyway as people that buy wood seem too particular to be putting up with a p#$%k like me.
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Gotcha. I thought I read that in one of your posts that you have a firewood business but wasn't sure.
Also my bad when you mentioned gas, I assumed natural gas, not LP.
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I have nat gas available, its fantastic for drying corn, won’t pay for it to heat the house or shop when we always have fencerows that need cleaned and dead trees in the woods.
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So since you have a G200 and used it for awhile, what are your thoughts about putting one inside? I can see a garn no problem because I would think that most times when it is running I would be home and its basically running to bring the massive storage back up to temp not a maintain storage temp. I have heard another say after he installed a hood to vent the smoke off from the inside that he has no issues but his building isn't a sealed garage as I am talking about either.
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I’m personally not a fan of a OWB installed indoors, lots of pictures can be found of a burnt boiler, shed and wood supply. Of course to be fair a lot of house fires are caused by indoor forced air units.
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A thought-
The Garn unit is a batch burning unit with a very large tank . Batch burning is possible by running a big swing in water temps. Depending on what type of system you have a big swing in water temp may or may not work. Radiant or other low temp emitter works great, copper baseboard not so good, at least with typical sizing. Without utilizing the big temp swing you'd be firing more often, makes it hard to use the temp swing it's designed for.
Not intended as a criticism of the Garn unit as they are great units from what I've heard, just something for planning.
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No one has gotten back to me from Garn, I've contacted them through their Web support 2 times and called 1 time. You know if it weren't for bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all!
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don't feel bad...I contacted them this summer before I bought my G200 and I just now got an email back from them!!! literally 3 days ago with a price list and info on the models I was looking at !!!! LMAO
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Would you mind sharing the pricing you got? I was looking towards the junior.
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WHS 1000 H - 12,995
WHS 1500 H - 14,995
WHS 2000 H - 16,995
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Thanks, Not doing that!
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lmao!!
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Well, unless you can come up with some different math. I have almost 11k in this stove, have to take a beating on selling a "used" unit, then turn around and pay 2 k more for a system than I already had invested. WTF? This is going to get real ugly for me before it gets better. Not sure I will be able to see a payback while I can still process my own wood. Still thinking.
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GUSWHIT,you probably have but did you check with your insurance company about putting a furnace inside the garage? The G200 may be used inside but will they let you? I haven't seen this question asked here yet. Insurance providers all seem to have different policies. Sorry if this is a stupid question.
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Not a stupid question. I know a dealer who's wife is an insurance agent and says she will X any building with a wood furnace in it. If that is your house it could be bad. I would check it out.
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Already ahead of you guy's, but thanks. As long as I separate the area in the garage, like build a wall from the other stuff and don't store anything in it and the appliance is UL rated and hooked up according to spec, everything is great. In writing in the policy.
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I figured that was the case, just hadn't seen it mentioned so thought I'd ask.
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Glad you asked. I'm not taking anything for granted anymore and I want to see it in writing as well! I'm busy enough like most people and don't have the time to be screwing around doing things twice. I missed a lot of time this past year I could have been doing something with the family or even doing something to make money rather what turned out as wasted time!
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So, what's the magic number?
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Still for sale. $8,000. Probably build a shed around it if I don't get it gone in the near future but don't really want to go that route. This is a really great buy for a pre EPA stove with 19 days of usage!
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Depends on the insurance company, but here the companies that do insure wood burners inside a structure require it to be UL certified for indoor installations and require a professional install by a company certified in chimneys/exhausts installation.
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First, the "building" would be designed to mask-hide the unit only while being aesthetically pleasing on the outside. The sole purpose is to get it in a building to get around what the ever expanding guberment regulations cover. As for insurance companies, I wouldn't be insuring it. I'm guessing I can put up a small shed/garage of around 20X20, that would match the house, for $3,000 not counting a cement pad. But at this point, I may just be better off not burning wood at all. This adding up to a lot of cash going out.
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Any bites on Craiglist? It shouldn't be hard to sell I would think. With the cold winter people are rolling through propane and electric bills are high.
Hope you can move it.
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Not 1 phone call from Craig's list or here. Kind of disappointing. I suppose people are just getting through the winter now though and not thinking about heating for a while. Maybe in a couple months there will be some action. I'll keep you posted.
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Not 1 phone call from Craig's list or here. Kind of disappointing. I suppose people are just getting through the winter now though and not thinking about heating for a while. Maybe in a couple months there will be some action. I'll keep you posted.
Where are you located Guswhit?
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Clinton, Iowa
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Just another bump to the top. Have decided not to build a building around this unit. Have just disconnected and am storing inside. Would like to get it sold!
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I have to ask what price are you looking for?