Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => Regulations => Topic started by: Crow on February 23, 2015, 07:20:24 AM
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I haven't seen this mentioned yet in the topic of EPA phase 2, conventional boilers being discontinued.
My question regards the fact that this is "not yet" happening in Canada but I am sure it will make its way north.
Is this on the horizon for Canada? When?
Will Canadian companies like Portage and Main and Heatmaster continue to build conventional boilers with a much smaller market?
Will the American companies be able to manufacture a conventional unit for export only?
How long do the OEM's have to make replacement parts for conventional units after this phase out happens? ( I think the auto OEM's are ten years, not positive)
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It's not really a topic of discussion on a national level here but I have seen some municipalities introduce by-laws regulating outdoor wood furnaces. Although a lot of our laws tend to follow changes in the US, I can't see conventional boilers being banned across the country for a while considering the influence of farmers and rural residents in Northern areas. If I was a US resident I would take advantage of the low Canadian dollar and come on up and pick one up.
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Before buying my stove,I asked the local municipality [McKellar Ont.] if there were any restrictions on boilers,,,? they said,,, on what.???
I then explained it was an outdoor, wood burning, appliance.
They said if I didn't burn wood,,, I was pretty much alone......
The few thousand people around here are represented by 1 m.p., one seat,, and this goes on all over the north and rural areas of Canada.
A Few voters with lots of clout, in the big picture.
People in T.O. don't give a crap what we do up here,, it's two different worlds
Don't think OWB will be outlawed here, for a long time?
kk
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So far, conventional OWB's are not on anyone's radar. I don't think they will be outlawed anytime soon.
KK is right, T.O. doesn't care what happens here - at least not in the winter.
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this. Manitoba has already banned all coal burning stoves effective 2016. The government is coming for us too. Worse yet is that even if you have one you can no longer use it!!!
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How would they police that? Would they knock on your door and make you stop using it? I hope it doesn't come to that.. If they do that will they pay for a new way of heating?
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Probably make local government enforce the law.
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They don't even make us smog check our cars here [Parry Sound and north Ontario]
We are few, but have many seats in Ottawa.
Gonna be a while before they can outlaw wood smoke.
And..... we do pay tax on firewood, it's just hidden in property taxes.
And if you buy it ...the price per cord.
Saw that on another thread but can't find it"
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Not sure about the other states out of 50, but Indiana hasn't had smog or safety checks on vehicles in a long time, I wouldn't mind seeing either again to be perfectly honest as I've seen some real pieces of crap out and about that had no business being on the road.
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KK, I was at the Ottawa farm show last spring and a dealer from Quebec said they were not going to be able to sell conventional boilers. Maybe he was mistaken? I believe it will happen here, it's just a matter of time.
Also as far as TO is concerned, has anything the Ontario Liberals done made sense? Something like would be perfect for them. It's two different worlds all right, but they won't let us make our own rules.
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Ohio doesn't do checks on vehicles, I do believe the do on salvage titles though.
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Not sure about the other states out of 50, but Indiana hasn't had smog or safety checks on vehicles in a long time, I wouldn't mind seeing either again to be perfectly honest as I've seen some real pieces of crap out and about that had no business being on the road.
For sure! Where I live we have emission testing but next county from me does not. It is a ten minute drive and same thing some real gems on the road.
So how much pollution is coming from all the POS cars driven who knows how much and how far, vs the boilers that are running late Oct through May?
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There are bigger things to worry about, like the forest fires I know most are done on purpose all though my local DNR sets fires on purpose. Are they going to ban that?
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KK, I was at the Ottawa farm show last spring and a dealer from Quebec said they were not going to be able to sell conventional boilers. Maybe he was mistaken? I believe it will happen here, it's just a matter of time.
Also as far as TO is concerned, has anything the Ontario Liberals done made sense? Something like would be perfect for them. It's two different worlds all right, but they won't let us make our own rules.
I guess I can see the end of conventional boiler sales.
I still think I will be burning wood till I can't cut it any more.
Harris, Bob Rae .......... go for it,,,,,, there's no solution bud
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Not sure about the other states out of 50, but Indiana hasn't had smog or safety checks on vehicles in a long time, I wouldn't mind seeing either again to be perfectly honest as I've seen some real pieces of crap out and about that had no business being on the road.
For sure! Where I live we have emission testing but next county from me does not. It is a ten minute drive and same thing some real gems on the road.
So how much pollution is coming from all the POS cars driven who knows how much and how far, vs the boilers that are running late Oct through May?
Was stuck behind one a few months ago kept having to clean my windshield from all the oil it was burning.
I could see the outcry though, get some of this crap off the road and it would hurt those that are most "financially disadvantaged". Of course buying oil doesn't cost anything not to mention some of those clunkers can't be getting that good of mileage.
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It's funny about the smog test in southern Ontario.
They test the newer cars $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ,and omit the 20 year old scuzzwagons wt..
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How would they police that? Would they knock on your door and make you stop using it? I hope it doesn't come to that.. If they do that will they pay for a new way of heating?
How they're enforcing this is banning all delivery of coal into the province. We don't have natural coal in Manitoba, so you can't run your stove if you don't have the fuel.
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Coal has a bit of a bad image to some
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/kommandokenny/coal.jpg)
They won't be able to ban firewood from coming in, cause it's already here.
They will come up with something,though.
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That pic was pre scrubbers.. I know a lot of older people here that grew up burning coal. Some still do but not many. I enjoy coal. It has a little more smoke than wood but just for a cycle or two. I know around here there are no restrictions on OWBs burning coal but the wood rules are coming. Doesn't make much sense? The power plant I work at is coal fired ans the EPA (Obama) is trying their best to stop power production from coal as gas is so much better...
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Ya gas is better.... :o wait till they finish fracking for gas and water and the continent disappears :bash: :bash:
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Not only that but there is still emissions once coal and wood is gone they will be all over gas. I was watching a show the other day a lady was complaining about coal mining and how it's bad for the environment. She said we need wind and solar power but she was piloting her own plain! Makes no sense.
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Ya can't wait to ride an electric Harley.
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Ya can't wait to ride an electric Harley.
Have you seen the new one they have? I'd like to ride one but I see no desire to ever own one!
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"Loud batteries save lives" :-\
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"Loud batteries save lives" :-\
GOOD ONE! [open Drag Specialties here]
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lol that's great! :post:
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Hello I'm on a cruise ship and writing this and able to send with high speed Internet as good as at home. Just completed a ship tour found very interesting the kitchen galleries, the laundry control room ,the waste disposal was very interesting, we were shown the glass recycling, the cans compressed, but they burn the food waste card board, toilet waste is dried and burned, the chief sanitation guy told us that was the cleanest thing to do. Another told us they can dump once they are 14 notical mile out ,I suppose whatever is the most convenient . After wards my family and I were at the rock climbing wall area ,I noticed some soot then after a little closer look incredibe amount of black soot balls on chairs and deck I was shocked. .. .you need to know that the waste being burned is from 5000 people, its very windy a storm was coming in in fact its raining now, very small percentage was landing on the deck. I just want to agree with previous posts and ask the question why are they picking on my heat source that keeps me warm, some thing very important to us who live in colder climates, we are gathering up carbon nutral wood from our land, or supporting the local economy purchasing a very renewable resource. As posted earlier we are only using our hydronic heaters from October to may, compared to the millions of cars ,thousands of cruise ship, yachts, jets, all going to and froe ,most not of great importance ,Yet some are after your right to burn wood we realize we need to burn smart and with consideration of neighbors ,were is the common sense in this? Where is the fareness,is it we are easy targets? ??When you think about it the two to five thousand the average guy saves and the independent is very important to his family.
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its plain to see u are going to be in re-training camp with the rest of us .....wolverines !!!
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WOW!
This site really has some pull! hotterburn4you is on a cruise and is watching and posting on this site!
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He has his reasons, I have been trying to get him to come on line for a long time now, a man that works 12-16 hours a day has no time to be on forums. Perhaps a cruise was needed! Have a great time my friend and keep up the posts, tell us about your trip, pictures would be nice!
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Have a great time my friend and keep up the posts, tell us about your trip, pictures would be nice!
Bikini clad babes......and the engine room!
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Hello I'm on a cruise ship and writing this and able to send with high speed Internet as good as at home. Just completed a ship tour found very interesting the kitchen galleries, the laundry control room ,the waste disposal was very interesting, we were shown the glass recycling, the cans compressed, but they burn the food waste card board, toilet waste is dried and burned, the chief sanitation guy told us that was the cleanest thing to do. Another told us they can dump once they are 14 notical mile out ,I suppose whatever is the most convenient . After wards my family and I were at the rock climbing wall area ,I noticed some soot then after a little closer look incredibe amount of black soot balls on chairs and deck I was shocked. .. .you need to know that the waste being burned is from 5000 people, its very windy a storm was coming in in fact its raining now, very small percentage was landing on the deck. I just want to agree with previous posts and ask the question why are they picking on my heat source that keeps me warm, some thing very important to us who live in colder climates, we are gathering up carbon nutral wood from our land, or supporting the local economy purchasing a very renewable resource. As posted earlier we are only using our hydronic heaters from October to may, compared to the millions of cars ,thousands of cruise ship, yachts, jets, all going to and froe ,most not of great importance ,Yet some are after your right to burn wood we realize we need to burn smart and with consideration of neighbors ,were is the common sense in this? Where is the fareness,is it we are easy targets? ??When you think about it the two to five thousand the average guy saves and the independent is very important to his family.
Well, it's not about clean air, it's about power, control and revenue generation. Make the regulations strict enough on OWB's and they'll get expensive enough the average person won't be able to afford one, therefore they'll stick to gas, oil, or electric heat which all can be taxed in one way or another.
If it was really about clean air you'd see another cash for clunkers program to get some of the older vehicles off the road that pollute more and get lower mileage.
If it was really about clean air the government would be subsidizing LED's so they'd be cheaper than either incandescent or fluorescents.
If it was really about clean air we'd have an environmental tax on all the crap that comes from China that is manufactured there in factories that don't meet our clean air standards.
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That's why they want to get their hands on the internet so they can tax the crap out it.
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so after 3 pages ...have we figured out .."who the hell they are"...and how come were going down this road ?????? this chit is getting old......
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so after 3 pages ...have we figured out .."who the hell they are"...and how come were going down this road ?????? this chit is getting old......
Any elected official, whether it be local, state or federal.
From John Dalberg-Acton, the 1st Baron Acton: Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men
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I am on the other side of the line from KK, my vehicles must be tested every two years. Doesn't matter if I drive them 25,000 miles /yr (our Liberty) or 1000miles /yr, (my old pickup)
Our bylaw officer (who wants a building permit when we install an OWB), tells me he will get a court order to stop burning and levy a fine which goes in with our taxes if he does not approve of an OWB. His regs for installation make no sense to local OWB salespeople or P&M.