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Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers with NON EPA-Certified Models Only => Empyre => Topic started by: ecc_33 on November 27, 2013, 04:02:14 PM

Title: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on November 27, 2013, 04:02:14 PM
I have seen hardy's, CB 5036, and two central boiler gasifiers (which were my next choice) I ended up choosing a emypre pro series. (I will post pics of house and setup once I find the computer cable) My house is 1507 sqft ranch with full walkout basement. Boiler is about 225 feet away from the house. I can put 9 pieces all a  mix of split's which are about 5" by 26" long. and rounds about 6-7" in di and prob 30" long in it and it is full! The first night I tried to make a bridge effect just to see how forgiving it was with the mix above and what I call pancake rounds. Rounds that are about 3-5" long and about 6" in diameter. After 15 hours on the first firing the firebox was about 1/4 of the way full. Today I filled it up at 9:15a.m. and just came back from the boiler and it was still alittle more than 3/4's full!!!!! It just sipps wood!!!!! I can't believe it. Almost no smoke at all. Sometimes you think its completely out. My wood is well seasoned and dry also. Hot water is HOT! Shower water is fine though. Our showers have mixing valves so they are tamed down form our faucets. More to come.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on November 27, 2013, 05:29:13 PM
Sounds good man, youll love it when u get your utility bills
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on November 27, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
I hope so! the electric furanace with everyone running in and out finishing the house was killin me! Thats why I got so motovated to get it done. Well, That and the 5 inches of snow we have on the ground. Supposed to get down to 15*F tonight. Dishwasher, shower, and cloths washer going non stop since we moved stuff in at 5 tonight. Ole lady is about to put me down with all this work lol. I checked the wood level at 8:15 tonight  which is 11 hours exactly from last wood fire and still could only put 3 pieces in if I wanted too. Since this will be our first night in the house I will go out later tonight and fill it back up. Dad has some dirty coal from southern ohio and his add on furanace is just given him crazy fits with clinkers right now. I just laughed and said hell dad I ain't even put a piece in all day since 9:15 a.m. He said he has fired that thing 4 times today and thats in the barn. The house with the fireplace inserts about every 2 hours. Needless to say he can't believe this thing. He even told me and I know it killed him to finally admit that im going to burn alot less wood then him this year. All in all we all are burnin wood and thats what its all about! Happy thanksgiving to everyone also!!!! Eric Cox.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on November 27, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
I hope so! the electric furanace with everyone running in and out finishing the house was killin me! Thats why I got so motovated to get it done. Well, That and the 5 inches of snow we have on the ground. Supposed to get down to 15*F tonight. Dishwasher, shower, and cloths washer going non stop since we moved stuff in at 5 tonight. Ole lady is about to put me down with all this work lol. I checked the wood level at 8:15 tonight  which is 11 hours exactly from last wood fire and still could only put 3 pieces in if I wanted too. Since this will be our first night in the house I will go out later tonight and fill it back up. Dad has some dirty coal from southern ohio and his add on furanace is just given him crazy fits with clinkers right now. I just laughed and said hell dad I ain't even put a piece in all day since 9:15 a.m. He said he has fired that thing 4 times today and thats in the barn. The house with the fireplace inserts about every 2 hours. Needless to say he can't believe this thing. He even told me and I know it killed him to finally admit that im going to burn alot less wood then him this year. All in all we all are burnin wood and thats what its all about! Happy thanksgiving to everyone also!!!! Eric Cox.

Thats awesome.....  Im glad you like it and your dads gonna be shaking his head all winter long lol
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on November 30, 2013, 03:33:01 PM
Friday morning I filled the firebox up at 9:30 a.m. I put 6 split pieces in at 10:30 a.m. saturday moring! thats 25 hours on one firing! awesome! I could have prob went 30 hours since it got up to 44* today.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on November 30, 2013, 07:13:29 PM
Friday morning I filled the firebox up at 9:30 a.m. I put 6 split pieces in at 10:30 a.m. saturday moring! thats 25 hours on one firing! awesome! I could have prob went 30 hours since it got up to 44* today.

hahhha..  are you telling your dad about this?
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on November 30, 2013, 08:29:23 PM
Friday morning I filled the firebox up at 9:30 a.m. I put 6 split pieces in at 10:30 a.m. saturday moring! thats 25 hours on one firing! awesome! I could have prob went 30 hours since it got up to 44* today.

hahhha..  are you telling your dad about this?
oh yea lol. He is sick about it. He heats 2 pole barns that are finsihed. One is 2500sqft and the other is prob 1500. The big one is heated with a add on furnace that just eats coal and wood. The house is a two story 2500sqft house that he heats with a wood insert. All in all he would use a ton of wood to eat everything with one boiler but would still save wood and money like crazy in a year. I figured what I split and cut today in one day would last the rest of the year lol. Its just great. Haven't cleaned anything yet but the gassifier chamber a couple times! awesome boiler so far! I through a bunch of junk in it today when I did put wood into it. Stuff with ant's and grubs and such. Soft stuff etc. Ill see tomorrow if it bridges! Since im off and can check it often im pushing the bridging thing until I know what it likes and doesn't.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: frankus33 on December 16, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
I have a pro 200 as well and i used to like it until i had a problem  i found out that their warranty sucks.

It started last year after a big snow storm(windy), snow got behind the thermostat, and cause to malfunction(fan would not stop anymore which makes the temperature go up
but lucky i was close by. notify my dealer who sells me a new unit and he tells me he will let head office know if i can get warranty.  After reading in one of those forum that someone had problem with the plate where the thermostat is and what he did was to caulk it and sothat's what i did and taught problem solved.  thissummer isaw my dealer
and he told that after 1year my warranty is already out for electronics  components. even if there was a defect with the unit. thanks.

last saturday we had a major good snow storm here in ontario, guess what  same thing  snow got in again. i really though it was from the thermostat platethat i caulked but i was wrong. It's from the top corner just under the gable kind of roof there is about 1/2 inch space there and enough room with high wind and lots of snow fall to end up there.
had to replace thermostat again
talk to empyre today they won't do a thing.

What i know now is

      EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY
 
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on December 16, 2013, 05:43:16 PM
Man I hate to hear that!
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: frankus33 on December 16, 2013, 07:05:07 PM
Don't take me wrong, i like my unit, know her inside out by now. but even if the eletronics warranty is expired as they put it, if snow got in the unit where there is eletronics, they should acknowledge that there is a manufacture problem, snow shouldn't get in with electronics, as simple as that.
won't even bother with my water test anymore because i know if there is problem they won't do a thing.
even one  dealer told me they don't cover anything. everything he has been asking for warranty has been denied.             

                 EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on December 20, 2013, 05:35:22 PM
Don't take me wrong, i like my unit, know her inside out by now. but even if the eletronics warranty is expired as they put it, if snow got in the unit where there is eletronics, they should acknowledge that there is a manufacture problem, snow shouldn't get in with electronics, as simple as that.
won't even bother with my water test anymore because i know if there is problem they won't do a thing.
even one  dealer told me they don't cover anything. everything he has been asking for warranty has been denied.             

                 EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY

I recently did my first 2 warranty claims with empyre. 

This is how good it went.  Customer had a stove who developed a leak.  It was of the same batch or series as one his neighbor just ordered.  they agreed to replace the leaky unit no questions asked,They even paid for the shipping directly to the customer.  Great I thought.   Then I inquired about his neighbors stove that he just installed, I knew it didnt have the update so I asked since we already had a truck going there, why not swap his with the updated model to eleiminate the chance of it happening to him.  They agreed, they sent him the New updated stove to his door and also paid shipping on that unit..  How could anyone ask for more than that?

Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: MattyNH on December 20, 2013, 07:30:50 PM
Don't take me wrong, i like my unit, know her inside out by now. but even if the eletronics warranty is expired as they put it, if snow got in the unit where there is eletronics, they should acknowledge that there is a manufacture problem, snow shouldn't get in with electronics, as simple as that.
won't even bother with my water test anymore because i know if there is problem they won't do a thing.
even one  dealer told me they don't cover anything. everything he has been asking for warranty has been denied.             

                 EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY

I recently did my first 2 warranty claims with empyre. 

This is how good it went.  Customer had a stove who developed a leak.  It was of the same batch or series as one his neighbor just ordered.  they agreed to replace the leaky unit no questions asked,They even paid for the shipping directly to the customer.  Great I thought.   Then I inquired about his neighbors stove that he just installed, I knew it didnt have the update so I asked since we already had a truck going there, why not swap his with the updated model to eleiminate the chance of it happening to him.  They agreed, they sent him the New updated stove to his door and also paid shipping on that unit..  How could anyone ask for more than that?
Wow really.. Seems to be a good deal to me..
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: frankus33 on December 20, 2013, 07:40:59 PM
Now you're making me nervous even more, one brand new unit that leaks already and they agreed to replace another without knowing for sure it's leaking, basically you're telling me i can expect my unit to leak anytime, thanks.  so you're telling me they are no good, i know that  now especially when it comes time to honour your name. Yeah right  , they are gonna replace a brand new unit without knowing for sure it's leaking but they won't replace a $100 thermostat on my furnace that  got damaged by snow getting in the top corner twice already.  Really i know you're not telling the truth, even my dealer told me that  they don't cover anything and to replace a unit without making sure it leaks(between 9k to10k) yeah right. As for replacing the unit, hahaha, they will try to weld it first i can assure you of that.
nice try.


EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY 
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on December 20, 2013, 07:42:16 PM
What model OWB was it?
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on December 20, 2013, 11:12:24 PM
Im lying??? 

Sir, u agreed to the warranty that clearly stated a 1 yr warranty on electrical components.  It did not fail within the first year

the reason they replaced it was because of the  changes of an particular model, it was the earliest runs of the xt series.  Once they seen they had a potential issue, a warranty bulletin went out to all dealers.   They replaced all the stoves we had on our yards with the updated models and told us they would switch the faulty units out at no cost to the customer if anything had gone wrong.   The reason they replaced the unit that wasnt leaking was because it was of the first run and i had sold it in the middle of us finding out about the replacement program.

u can come cowboying in here all ya want, but I know a lot of folks on here and a lot of folks know im not going to lie to anyone regardless..

now with that being said, im not doubting your story one bit, because u clearly stated that it wasnt in the first year of warranty that ur control had failed, and sharon goes by the book

with that being said, its also good that u came here to complain because now other folks might be able to go out to there stove and see if there is potential for this issue on there model, if they feel snow could be blown into that hole it may be a good idea for them to give it a couple minutes of attention. 

But as far as me calling you a liar, umm no.  Im not going there but I think its a pretty sad sign of character to start calling someone a liar that you dont even know or had any dealings with at all.   

As slim says, youll get more help with sugar than vinegar haha
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on December 20, 2013, 11:15:41 PM
Now you're making me nervous even more, one brand new unit that leaks already and they agreed to replace another without knowing for sure it's leaking, basically you're telling me i can expect my unit to leak anytime, thanks.  so you're telling me they are no good, i know that  now especially when it comes time to honour your name. Yeah right  , they are gonna replace a brand new unit without knowing for sure it's leaking but they won't replace a $100 thermostat on my furnace that  got damaged by snow getting in the top corner twice already.  Really i know you're not telling the truth, even my dealer told me that  they don't cover anything and to replace a unit without making sure it leaks(between 9k to10k) yeah right. As for replacing the unit, hahaha, they will try to weld it first i can assure you of that.
nice try.


EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY

while were at it, its not like empyre lost a 9k dollar unit.  Since they already had a truck there, those will be brought back and updated, they didntnlose nothing but made some really good business decisions.   To update the stoce that was basicallly new would be an easy task, I think anyone would be glad to see someone be proactive in a situation like that.


as far as trying to weld it??  Umm no, once again you have assumed u knoew what type of leak that it was.  It wasn't due to a crack or a bad weld or anything a welder would help.  It was caused by improper spacing and condensation gathering in cool spots behind the refractory on the early xt models...  this condensation would become very corrosive because it stayed eet all the time and created a very acidic spot in the stove.   So trust me, when it started to leak, no welder was gonna patch it, even if they could the "problem" was not solved

now does that sound like a liar??  I dont think so

this problem has only been seen in the early xt models, ive never heard of it or seen it in any pro series stove.   This is why the fireboxes on the xt series are now 304 stainless and have a slightly different design than there early siblings

empyre has also began to produce some 304 stainless pro series 200's to continue to be proactive, like I said, ive not seen that issue in the pro series but I can't fault them for trying to build a better product either

Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on December 21, 2013, 06:07:29 AM
I wouldn't call Scott a liar. He has been very honest and straight forward on ANY question I had even if I wouldn't or didn't like the awnser. On the cold days I can get away with putting 4 pieces of wood twice a day in it. Still loving the stove. I usually put one big round in it with 3 or 4 splits around that. Burns big dry rounds fine. Only time i've really encountered bridging is with a bunch of big rounds stuffed in. Fire was still going fine just took a steel rod with a swift rake up through the logs and all was good. Def recommend this stove. It just sipps wood! I doubt I will burn 4 cords this year if it stays like this!!!!
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: frankus33 on December 22, 2013, 01:04:09 PM
I have been promised lots of things when buying something before, we'll do this,we'll do that.but once you buy the product you realize they are not true to their word. some of you are dealers and salesmen and everyone knows when promised good warranty and service it's not always there.

there was nothing wrong with that thermostat.
It broke because of a defect in the unit.
The unit is not properly sealed and this is what keeps  frying the thermostat.
It clearly state on the unit   "outside wood furnace"  , you should expect you can keep it OUTSIDE.

empyre is hiding behind the 1 year warranty on electronics components when it's not the issue.  THE DEFECT OF THE UNIT IS THE PROBLEM.

Anyway i just want people to know that empyre does NOT stand behind their product and they just hide behind warranty rules that don't apply.

I have a small business and stand behind my product. When i realize i screw up i fix the problem at my own expense so does a lot of other business owners.
   
                EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY

   
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 04, 2014, 08:28:02 AM
trying to post some pics bear with me.

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Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 04, 2014, 08:29:31 AM
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Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 04, 2014, 08:33:19 AM
Thanks Willie it worked! Pics were right before we moved in but stove was up and running. I did change the pex alittle in the basement and cleaned some of that mess up lol. Also have alot more wood I'll try and get a pics today. Got to clean the stove out anyways.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on January 04, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
Looks great!  I am sure you will love it.  My 400 has been running great so far.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on January 04, 2014, 11:53:51 AM
Here is a picture of my set up from the house. My future wood shed is in the back of the boiler where you can see the wood stacked.  I think it will be 12 x 16.

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Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 04, 2014, 01:43:05 PM
Thats awesome. Alittle up date. Today i got a couple more pics of my wood pile and my wood haulin toy :D I waited two weeks to clean the tubes this time. It wasn't bad at all. Bought a ash vaccum and that thing was awesome. Stuck the hose in the end of the tubes after I put the cleaning rod through and it sucked alot of the loose stuff out! The last pic was after I got back in the house. The stove has a fire going inside but you can't even tell because it doesn't smoke!!!! The thumb on the backhoe is AMAZING for cutting logs and skidding logs out of the woods. IMHO only way to cut and split wood! Im pretty fortunate to be 28 years old and have some awesome toys!

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Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on January 04, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
Nice tractor that sure makes things easy.  I have to clean the boiler tomorrow.  It is supposed to be in the 30's so will be a good day to do it.  It has been super cold here this past week.  Last night we were at -10.  Do you ever have problems with bridging.  I seem to have it happen fairly often.  If I just let it go it will eventually burn down but the blower has to run for a long time to get it to that point.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 04, 2014, 04:33:15 PM
How often do you clean yours belknap? The ash vac was awesome for the tubes. To be honest I think it would be almost impossible to bridge the 200. I have honestly perposely tried 4 times stacking wood in the boiler with rounds/splits of all different sizes. I stacked it like you would stack the ends of your wood piles and all and would come back home from work after 12 hours and it was fine. Every once in a awhile the wood would stick off the bottom alittle but still would burn with no problem and then like you said would always fall. I guess that would be classified as bridging but not to wear I would be scared of the fire going out. I usually take the rod for the gasser chamber and go up through the middle of the wood when reloading. Its not necessary but like messin with the boiler alot. I bet I went down there 4 times today just to look inside lol.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on January 04, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
I clean mine every 2 weeks.  I bought a ash vac and it does work well.  I also bought the cleaning tool for the tubes that you use with a drill and that works great.  It sure makes cleaning a whole lot easier.  One thing about loading the boiler that someone else said was if you load the largest round first in the middle then put smaller stuff on either side and then the next row put the largest round in the middle again and small stuff on the sides it should burn down a little better.  I am going to give this a try.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Sprinter on January 04, 2014, 05:24:24 PM

Anyway i just want people to know that empyre does NOT stand behind their product and they just hide behind warranty rules that don't apply.

I have a small business and stand behind my product. When i realize i screw up i fix the problem at my own expense so does a lot of other business owners.
   
                EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY

 

And that's exactly why you'll stay a small business, notice how many big companies run wild then go bankrupt and reopen under new name doing same thing. We had a builder do this here for 98.2 million, less than a year later he was back developing and building again. Unfortunately his multimillion dollar bankruptcy killed 31 of our communities biggest contractors and suppliers. Vacant buildings no jobs and lots of people left.
I think you are beating a dead horse now, there are much better ways to spread your story and in a much more credible way. Your not alone with an Empyre horror story, there's lots out there and from what I've read, you got off REAL lucky with just a stat. If I were you I think I would post detailed pics of your problem and the solution to help others prevent another story like yours. I think its best to help keep these boilers in top shape and helping others is the only way to do that. Coming up with ideas and contributing will get you more Milage and help other owners too.

I hope for ec33's sake he never has a problem like many others have. Looks like he's got a great thing going with some sweet toys too. I like all the pics, and yes he has to clean up dat der pex. Mount that stuff to some nice plywood and label......hahahaa          you don't hear a lot of good stories like his,cuz the net is about a lot of whiners and complainers , when they have problems. Not many go out of their way to post up how great everything is, so thanks for the good thread ecc33.  Keep the pics coming, can never have enough.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 04, 2014, 05:34:32 PM
Thanks for the kind words! I'll get pics of my saw and dad and my wood splitter. I never thought to say that about the bridging deal but I have been putting two decent size rounds in the bottom and splits on top for some time now. That nets me my best burn times and has no bridge effect at all. Maybe I'll get a pic of me loading the stove tommorrow also!
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: slimjim on January 05, 2014, 06:11:49 AM
VERY well said Sprinter!
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 05, 2014, 01:35:43 PM
More pics. Over at my dads is our log splitter, his wood pile, coal pile, chain sharpener, MY homelite saw and his dolmar, And then my dolmar and new electric back up plan :D . Its taking everything I got not to take the 13hp honda off the generator and putting it on my racing go kart and beefing it up to about 50hp  :thumbup: >:D Also showing how much wood was left inside the stove last night after 12.5 hours. I put a huge round in the middle today. Should last until tommorrow morning.

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Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 05, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
and the rest also dads morton low pro dumb trailer. Together with my backhoe/thumb and the trailer makes moving dry logs a breeze! just clamp on and lay them in the trailer. Tow over to my house and dumb right by the stove.

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Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on January 05, 2014, 05:36:50 PM
Looks good.  Got plenty of equipment to get the job done.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 06, 2014, 09:37:59 AM
Thanks, That load of wood in the pic above went 20 hours! It was out this moring though. Burnt a half load just to get stove temp back up. Stove didn't stop running for 1.5 hours! when its this cold and windy out i'll check the wood alittle more often.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on January 06, 2014, 03:32:46 PM
After cleaning mine yesterday I let it get way down and it took a couple hours to get everything back up and running well again.  I don't like to let it get too low.  Today I filled it 3/4 at 6 am and when I got home around 5 pm it was pretty low.  It was warm today so I was burning junk poplar.  I want to save my oak for when I need it.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 07, 2014, 08:23:54 AM
Went 13 hours last night. I was up at 2:00a.m. and furnace was on and never shut off the whole hour I was up. went back to bed at 3:00a.m. I feared the fire was out and couldn't keep up with the cold weather/wind. I woke this morning at 7:00. Furnace was still on. House was a 67*. I was shocked cause our thermostat is set at 68*. Got dressed and went down and the wasn't any wood at all left. Raked the bottom of stove with steel rod and turned up a bunch of red coals. Filled boiler with nice dry splits and went into the house. Stove didn't shut off for 2 hours and 45 minutes!!! I couldn't believe it. Didn't figure it would have to run that long. Went out to see if it was almost out of wood and could only shove 3 pieces of split wood in it! Fire was going good. Everything looked good and by the time I put the wood in and shut the door water was up to 169*. i came in the house in time to see it shut down! I'll fill it up again tonight around 7 p.m. Have to go to work tommorrow so I'll fill it up around 5:30a.m.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Sprinter on January 07, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
How about some pics of the system pumps, piping and exchangers too. Anyone ever call you spoiled, hahahaha
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 07, 2014, 01:11:42 PM
lol all the time sprinter. I have had a job every summer since I was in 4th grade. I have worked my butt off to get were im at now. It wasn't easy. First job was 5.50 a hr. My senior year I was making 8.50 a hour. It has went up tons since then with college and all the other good stuff but I still work hard hard hard. Im a heavy equipment mechanic and don't lead a easy life. Its dangerous and everything is stupid heavy. I am very thankful I grew up right and never went without. I can honestly say that! Here are the pics requested! Go easy on me with the mess of pex in the inside of the house. That pex is a pain to work with!!!! Sneaked a pic of my racin kart for you racer fans. AH says upload file is full contact a mod????? tried posting new thread and that didn't work either.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 16, 2014, 06:35:52 PM
went down this moring and my water temp was at 125* boiler was 3/4's full. Everything was on and working but there was no draft. Hit the back of the fire box a couple times with the cleanout tool and the draft door came open and everything was good. Came home tonight to a warm house thank the lord lol. Sprayed some pb blaster down the back left corner of the  box inside that square tubing were the draft comes from. Will take the blower off this weekend sometime and def report back of what i see and fine. Maybe just needs cleaned? I know my whole firebox is coated with a thin slimmy coat of what i assume is creosote. Maybe thats whats making it stick..... Time will tell.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: racnruss on January 17, 2014, 06:41:52 AM
Hello ecc,

liking the thread and all the pics. Do you have plans for covering your wood?  I have a gasser too and have a metal carport right next to it for my wood to be under.  Best $700 spent,  they deliver and erect right on your spot.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: frankus33 on January 17, 2014, 08:42:19 AM

Anyway i just want people to know that empyre does NOT stand behind their product and they just hide behind warranty rules that don't apply.

I have a small business and stand behind my product. When i realize i screw up i fix the problem at my own expense so does a lot of other business owners.
   
                EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY

 

And that's exactly why you'll stay a small business, notice how many big companies run wild then go bankrupt and reopen under new name doing same thing. We had a builder do this here for 98.2 million, less than a year later he was back developing and building again. Unfortunately his multimillion dollar bankruptcy killed 31 of our communities biggest contractors and suppliers. Vacant buildings no jobs and lots of people left.
I think you are beating a dead horse now, there are much better ways to spread your story and in a much more credible way. Your not alone with an Empyre horror story, there's lots out there and from what I've read, you got off REAL lucky with just a stat. If I were you I think I would post detailed pics of your problem and the solution to help others prevent another story like yours. I think its best to help keep these boilers in top shape and helping others is the only way to do that. Coming up with ideas and contributing will get you more Milage and help other owners too.

I hope for ec33's sake he never has a problem like many others have. Looks like he's got a great thing going with some sweet toys too. I like all the pics, and yes he has to clean up dat der pex. Mount that stuff to some nice plywood and label......hahahaa          you don't hear a lot of good stories like his,cuz the net is about a lot of whiners and complainers , when they have problems. Not many go out of their way to post up how great everything is, so thanks for the good thread ecc33.  Keep the pics coming, can never have enough.

I explained and detailed my problem if you would have take time to read from previous post.
again all i'm saying is if you buy an empyre product, and there is a legitimate defect with the furnace, they won't backup their products.
like you said there is lots of empyre horror story and i just want to let people know.
as per personal attack on small business owner,this has nothing to do with this.(cheap shot). Not gentlemen at all.
farmers help  put food on your table and you should appreciate the fact . 
Coming here and insulting me having a small business and as for whiners, saying the truth has nothing to do with it.

your comments are just a personal attack,but don't worry,people can read between the lines.

 EMPYRE MEANS NO WARRANTY
 
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: racnruss on January 17, 2014, 11:26:49 AM
Frankus,

OK, we get it, you wouldn't buy another Empyre because of the problems you've had with yours.  I feel you, many of us have had to make homemade improvements on very expensive stoves that we shouldn't have to.

But some of these forums are from people that have already spent their hard earned money on an Empyre.  They don't need to be told not to buy one.  Maybe you could just help them improve on what they have based on your experience.

I mean, who hasn't wanted a "do over" in their life at some point?
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 18, 2014, 09:03:50 AM
Hello ecc,

liking the thread and all the pics. Do you have plans for covering your wood?  I have a gasser too and have a metal carport right next to it for my wood to be under.  Best $700 spent,  they deliver and erect right on your spot.
Thanks and yes, I plan on building a building right beside the boiler and put a lean to over the boiler and wood.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 20, 2014, 06:21:12 PM
Dont spray stuff in the back of the boiler to try and lubercate the draft door. There is four 5/16 screws that hold the blower and door together. Pull it apart and just clean it. I wish I would have took pics today but it was a mess. The door was fine but a lot of hard gooie slimy creosote lookin stuff in there. cleaned it out and scraped it all out and everything was good. I think puttin  a can of PB blaster down the back of that tube was a wrong thing to do. Just trying to help someone out. I would clean that thing a couple times a heating season if possible from what i've seen. Just trying to give a honest awnser and reply.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: MaverickM23 on January 21, 2014, 11:00:16 AM
I've cleaned my air box three times now, but each time I think Im getting less of the slimy gooey stuff. The first time was a real mess lots in there I noticed it dripping out of the small hole in the corner, but lately haven't had any dripping out.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 21, 2014, 03:27:42 PM
I haven't had any more door sticking shut. Just wanted to inspect everything since I had time too.
Title: Wouldn't keep up with heating the house last night
Post by: ecc_33 on January 28, 2014, 06:56:00 AM
It was -16* when I woke up and furnace NEVER kicked  off between 2:00a.m. and 7:00a.m. Loaded stove last night with nice and dry cherry and went out this morning thinking it was gone at 5:30. Box still was about 1/4 full and had nice fire. Water was at 134* Opened the door and through in some super dry elm and temp was rising. Finally about 7:00 the furnace shut off. My furnace is set at 68* and it was 66* in the house when I woke up. Still really not that bad considering it was -16* outside.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: cbofei on January 28, 2014, 11:31:17 AM
Ecc sorry if i missed it but where are you.  Been cold everywhere, but i bet if you clean your plumbing up a little you will make out better on these brutal nights.  Good project for this off season.  Good luck
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 28, 2014, 03:47:01 PM
South east ohio. 30 miles south east of columbus. Im not mad just trying to be as honest as I can for other people to make good desisions on there purchase. I won't to be up front and honest. Im affraid this stove isn't going to like my barn when i build it at all :'(
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on January 28, 2014, 03:49:16 PM
another thing I am far from my house. About 230ft of pex one way.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: cbofei on January 29, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
I hear you just stick with it.  I am not a heating contractor/plumber but i am pretty positive by tweaking the pumps and or removing some elbows, tees ,and junctions in your plumbing you should get the burn times and the tems you need.  Good luck(noticied ssouth east Ohio  temps were miserable again today)
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on March 27, 2014, 07:14:43 AM
Was a low of 13* yesterday morning and a high of 34* yesterday. Went 28 hours on one firing!!!!! Also got a surprise delivery with some proformer and the drill cleaning kit!! Thanks Scott. Let me know what I owe ya. Do you guys use the proformer everyday?
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Belknap on March 27, 2014, 12:43:43 PM
I use one scoop per day.  It does seem to keep the tubes dry.  I never have any sticky creosote in the tubes.  I have never not used it so I can't really compare.  You said in 28 hours the boiler only fired once.  Is that right?
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on March 28, 2014, 06:52:13 AM
Yes, filled it up then went 28 hours before putting wood in again. The only thing i put inside was two small card board boxes. It's only happened a couple times since its been up and running. Very very dry elm is a blessing!
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Scott7m on March 28, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Hey ecc33, we have a new distributor now it seems

But in regards to the boiler and burn times,  I know it is Def possible to get those long burn times but it's probably not the best practice for your boiler

I have discussed this with many customers and maverick23 from the fourm.  I have talked them into only loading enough wood to get them through the desired time frame, whether it's 12 or 14 hours, when they do that the tubes stay cleaner, dryer, lots of positive things and much less volatile gasses wondering around in the boiler. . 

Try it and see what u think
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on March 29, 2014, 07:30:18 AM
Will do Scott. I haven't seen the tubes wet yet. They are always white and real dry flakey ash inside. Never seems hard to clean.
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: Hammersquash on April 03, 2014, 04:43:49 AM
  Well after reading this entire thread on a 777 on the way back from Italy and knowing I have a Empyre 200pro sitting on pallets waiting for pickup I get a bit of a peach pit in my stomach.  However, this thread does remind me of a joke... Hope this brightens everyone's day and they can see the similarities...

A woman was at her hairdresser's getting her hair styled for a trip to Rome with her husband.. She mentioned the trip to the hairdresser, who responded:

" Rome ?Why would anyone want to go there? It's crowded and dirty.. You're crazy to go to Rome .. So, how are you getting there?"

"We're taking Air Italia!," was the reply. "We got a great rate!"

"Air Italia?" exclaimed the hairdresser.. " That's a terrible airline. Their planes are old, their flight attendants are ugly, and they're always late. So, where are you staying in Rome ?"

"We'll be at this exclusive little place over on Rome 's Tiber River called Teste."

"Don't go any further. I know that place. Everybody thinks its gonna be something special and exclusive, but it's really a dump."

"We're going to go to see the Vatican and maybe get to see the Pope."

"That's rich," laughed the hairdresser. You and a million other people trying to see him. He'll look the size of an ant.

Boy, good luck on this lousy trip of yours. You're going to need it..."

A month later, the woman again came in for a hairdo. The hairdresser asked her about her trip to Rome

"It was wonderful," explained the woman, "not only were we on time in one of Air Italia's brand new planes, but it was overbooked, and they bumped us up to first class. The food and wine were wonderful, and I had a handsome 28-year-old steward who waited on me hand and foot.

And the hotel was great! They'd just finished a 5 million remodelling job, and now it's a jewel, the finest hotel in the city. They too, were overbooked, so they apologized and gave us their owner's suite at no extra charge!"

"Well," muttered the hairdresser, "that's all well and good, but I bet you didn't get to see the Pope."

"Actually, we were quite lucky, because as we toured the Vatican, a Swiss Guard tapped me on the shoulder, and explained that the Pope likes to meet some of the visitors, and if I'd be so kind as to step into his private room and wait, the Pope would personally greet me.

Sure enough, five minutes later, the Pope walked through the door and shook my hand! I knelt down and he spoke a few words to me"

"Oh, really! What'd he say ?"


He said: "Who the **** did your hair?"
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: slimjim on April 03, 2014, 04:50:33 AM
THANK YOU HAMMERSQUASH, I love a good laugh especially first thing in the morning, That was a great laugh!!!!
Title: Re: empyre pro 200 first impressions!
Post by: ecc_33 on April 05, 2014, 07:59:29 AM
Yesterday is was really windy here. 35mph+ winds. I went down late to put wood in the stove and could here the draft door slaping open and shut. Fire was going so I didn't worry to much. The wind must of been killing the draft on the stove.