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Author Topic: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....  (Read 558 times)

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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2017, 06:48:00 PM »

All you need to do is go to the link that morfem posted and all the info is there, not very impressive numbers but it has Intertechs stamp, not sure why EPA hasn't posted it, perhaps Robert will make adjustments and retest?
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2017, 07:21:50 PM »

Sometimes I really wonder about those emission numbers. Course we have a welding shop a few towns over that has a gassifier of their own, emission numbers are pretty clean, efficiency sucks at 39%, like they spent all their money on making it pass and ran out before they could get the heat exchange area figured out.
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2017, 07:27:07 PM »

 Hadn't noticed the link. you are right. It's been almost a year ago. Wonder why EPA is not posting it? Or P&M not  advertising at least that it has passed? I stand corrected!
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2017, 07:34:45 PM »

Hadn't noticed the link. you are right. It's been almost a year ago. Wonder why EPA is not posting it? Or P&M not  advertising at least that it has passed? I stand corrected!

Thats weird
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2017, 07:40:32 PM »

The numbers look good to me? Efficiency ratings are good. 8 hour output could be a little higher but not terrible. The only thing is that it is a little dirty at .27 but jeese that's not bad, I'm sure no one would ever know the difference unless computers were measuring the outputs.
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 09:04:30 PM »

The numbers look good to me? Efficiency ratings are good. 8 hour output could be a little higher but not terrible. The only thing is that it is a little dirty at .27 but jeese that's not bad, I'm sure no one would ever know the difference unless computers were measuring the outputs.

Yah, but the companies that are sitting pretty right now have units that already pass the new regs without having to spend even more on R&D and more testing.
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2017, 04:49:50 AM »

Yup, those companies are sitting pretty for right now but I know of at least one that has had several issues and I believe they will have more in the future,as you know I'm not satisfied that they handled those issues honestly. I'm thinking that I wouldn't bet the farm on them!
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2017, 07:11:09 AM »

So wonder how much more they will tighten em up after 2020? The 2020 standards are not impossible to meet as several manufacturers already have stoves that meet em. Makes me wonder if the feds just aren’t trying to ban em altogether in a backhanded way not so much for saving the environment, but because it’s impossible to tax the firewood somebody cuts on their own property so it cuts into revenue generation, also hard to get somebody thats pretty independent hooked on the government teat.

Unless you have a sales tax exempt form on hand, one of the hay auctions in the area is starting to add sales tax to firewood sales as Indiana requires it now as firewood is a “fuel”.
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Re: To gas or not to gas? That is the question.....
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2017, 12:23:30 AM »

Just to make sure I understand and in compliance.
The bl 34-44 with shaker grate option is legal for residential use in indiana?

Only if you burn coal in it, and to be a compliant coal unit in Indiana it will need to be classified as a coal unit with UL approval because of the shaker grate option, thats my understanding of it at least. The C models from HM are sold as coal units therefore comply with Indiana’s law. Your allowed to use wood to get your coal started, like some have said, if it takes most of the winter to get the coal going……

I wouldn’t be afraid of a gasifier at all, they’ve come a long ways in a short amount of time.

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