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creosote removal question
« on: May 21, 2017, 02:32:35 PM »

End of year cleaning G200 lots of creosote behind panels and around the flanges that hold them in. I guess I should have took them off and cleaned them at some point mid winter. Going to have to do plenty of serious scraping but is there something you can spray on it to remove it. I seen the posts about cleaning the outside with spray products but not sure if it will work inside, any hints beside elbow grease and swearing.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 04:56:19 PM »

A good hot fire with a cleaned out firebox, run it hard. Cardboard seems to work well.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 03:10:07 AM »

Is the G-200 a gasser?  I've been lead to believe that the cardboard trick doesn't work that well on a gasser.  Perhaps someone mislead me.  If it does work, I'll have to give it a try in my CB E-Classic 1400.  Roger
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 03:39:59 AM »

The big trick is to let the boiler cool then fire it hot and hard, dry softwood will work as well.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 04:21:30 AM »

I will have to give it a try, I have what I would consider normal creosote conditions in my g200. I also wondered how well it will work being a downdrafter. I'll gather up some cardboard and give it a try.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 05:01:35 AM »

Like slim said- the best thing I've found to burn off creosote in a downdraft unit is to let the temp drop, then fire with small splits to a make a mound of glowing coals. Turn on heat or domestic hot water to make it run hard for a while. Keep adding splits as needed but keep the coal bed exposed so the radiant off the coal bed hits the air channels.
The goo should start running.
Make sure no ash is blocking the drain holes at the bottom of the channels.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2017, 09:42:47 AM »

I wonder if leaving the reaction chamber door open during the burn to aid in getting as much air as possible on the fire?  Thoughts?   Roger
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 09:45:37 AM »

OK Thanks guys will give it a light today. The rear plates went back in hard seems like the boiler bowed in a little from the water pressing on it anybody else have this happen. Not impossible to put back in but real tight.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 10:02:20 AM »

It doesn't work that way Roger, it is a draft induced boiler so opening the reaction chamber door simply interrupts the draft and if the smoke bypass is used it may burn up the motor.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2017, 11:17:15 AM »

Hoardac. It's likely just the creosote hanging the plates up. Doesn't take much build up to be a pain.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2017, 05:51:10 PM »

The plates can cup a bit in the heat which can make them hard to slide in. You can hammer them flat but as long as they go back in its OK.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2017, 08:01:30 PM »

The creosote powder also seems to help, but I’ve found for it to be effective at all you have to add it right before it cycles off so it doesn’t draw the chemical right down the nozzle before it has a chance to work.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 10:55:07 PM »

Hordac how old is your G200? Your unit has the removable plates in the rear of the primary combustion chamber? My G200 does not have them but I am looking into getting a set and put them in mine. I have a lot of creosote buildup at the bottom of the back wall and I believe these panels help prevent that buildup. I looked at a new G200 at RSI's shop and noticed they were added but they don't route the combustion air through them like they do the side panels. Talking with RSI we believe it would be doable to mount them without any welding.   
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2017, 05:49:54 AM »

I've seen the creosote puddle and harden at the ash line too. I've dug the ash out from underneath, then burned some small wood to burn it up.
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Re: creosote removal question
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 06:28:55 AM »

I've seen the creosote puddle and harden at the ash line too. I've dug the ash out from underneath, then burned some small wood to burn it up.

I always run my poker around the outside once in awhile just for this reason. I believe the back panels do help cut down on this, my G400 was bad about this and it didn’t have the panels., of course dryer wood helps too. I’m at least a year ahead now and plan to stay that way unless we have another winter that’s so sloppy all I can do is think about cutting wood.
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