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Plumbing / Creating own underground pipe

« on: January 27, 2015, 07:24:37 PM »

As I have been looking into what I need for flow, it has become apparent that I need dual 1 1/4 inch pipes to the house. I have not found a 4 x 1 1/4 inch pex underground pipe in closed cell insulation. I am thinking about creating my own. Thoughts?

1 1/4 pex - about $1.50 / foot x 4
Sewer drain - about $1 / foot x 2 (4 inch by 10ft is $10.80 at lowes)
Spray foam - calling local guy tomorrow

I will spray a base of closed cell foam into my trench. Then my thought is to put the feed lines in the same pipe and return lines in another. Pipe is really only to protect pex a bit. I will spray into the sewer pipes as I construct it. I will lay the pipes on the bed of foam.  I will then spray a good layer of foam around the pipes to secure them in place. I am thinking about putting an extra pipe in with this to run electric wire in and/or run a feed line of water to the burner.

My assumption is that commercial pipe will be at least $10 to $12 per foot for each line. That means a total of $20 to $24 a foot. As long as I can do foam at a few dollars a foot, it should save me a ton, and provide a better insulated solution.

Any concerns? Anyone done anything similar? Does there need to be insulation in the pipe, or can it be open and rely on the outer insulation?

Thanks!
-Nick

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / System Design Experts???

« on: January 22, 2015, 05:33:58 PM »

I haven't had good luck finding an installer in Ohio, so I believe we have decided to take on the install ourselves.  I believe we are capable of the work, however, I know that the best project is one that most of the work is done upfront in the design.  I am a little worried about designing the system myself.  I want it to be right the first time.

Does anyone know any knowledgeable folks in the Ohio area that might have the ability to help design a system? 

OR

Anyone on here wanna take a crack at looking over what I have already planned for, and help design a system from the ground up?

I've tried to upload a picture of what I was thinking, however it says the upload folder is full...  I've tried Gif and jpg.  Do we need permissions to upload pictures?

Thanks,
~Nick

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Earth Outdoor Wood Furnaces / Earth Outdoor 505

« on: January 22, 2015, 05:20:47 PM »

Looking at purchasing a Earth Outdoor 505.  Talked to the sales rep, and got some pricing, but that's about all I got from them.  I didn't get the impression that they care much to "design" as system, just want to sell the burner.  They were ready to sell insulated pipe - it seems they have the ability to make their own, as he was able to quote me, custom to my anticipated need. 

So...  Does anyone have the 505 want to tell me the pros/cons of it that you have seen so far?
Anyone utilize Earth Outdoor insulated pipe?  Any good?

Thanks!
~Nick

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Plumbing / Pump at the OWB or closer to destination?

« on: January 09, 2015, 08:24:18 PM »

What is everyone's opinion on placement of the pump(s)? Is there benefit to putting the pump inside the house and allow it to pull from the OWB?  My assumption is you would not need a pump at the OWB also correct?
Nick

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Plumbing / Manifold system off main line

« on: January 05, 2015, 10:52:56 PM »

I have enjoyed reading the posts on here, so first, a thank you to all the experienced contributors.
I have been looking at Heatmor and Earth Outdoor Furnaces.

I will be heating a 5300 sq ft home (currently with two residential furnaces) and hot water tank.  I also want to run a second line to my greenhouse and pool to utilize the furnace in the late summer/fall and early spring.  (Northeast Ohio weather)

My question is specific to the capability of utilizing a manifold system, similar to what they use on radiant floor heating systems. I'd like to bring an 1 1/4 line to the house from the burner, and run a manifold off that with separate lines to the plate exchanger for dhw and each furnace. I'd also like to have the capability of putting an air handler in the garage eventually, and possibly another small greenhouse attached to the house.

Is this commonly done? Successfully? I haven't had good luck with dealers/installers in this area, so I am reaching out to this forum. If you recommend a good / knowledgable dealer / installer in Northeastern Ohio, I'd like to know.
Thanks!

Nick