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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Well its all over
« on: March 09, 2016, 06:22:28 PM »
Slim, the OWB was installed and operational when we bought our house.  I have tried to discuss solutions with my neighbor already and he totally refused to discuss and no resolution came from it besides me wanting to get very violent (which I didn't I walked away). 

My wife talked with DEC today and they told us that even if we do get an indoor unit and DEC sees us at no fault(putting in an EPA approved unit), that our neighbors with take matters into their own hands and still complain because we are doing the same thing as before but with a different unit.  I do believe they would do that but I'm really unsure what else could be done.  what are they going to do call the cops, press charges, and probably sue us?  I really don't want to get into a court deal with these people.  These people are very unliked in my area and cause a lot of problems with town officials. 

Their house has been but for sale not to longer before they started complaing.  this stove has been in operation since 2008 and in 2015 your house is for sale and now its a huge deal.  I think that's a lot of it but could be wrong. 

Slim, I am in the Albany area, south of Albany about an hour. 

My big thing is the new laws stating OWB must be 100' from property lines, which is nearly impossible.  unless there are unpressurized indoor units I think I am out of luck.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Well its all over
« on: March 07, 2016, 06:15:00 PM »
The great state of NY.  DEC is the department of environmental conservation.  they told me as long as its sold as an OWB it doesn't matter if its inside a building or not.  Our situation is, we are saving cash to build a 1000 sq ft addition in the next four years.  were our OWB is, is right next to where our addition will go.  I currently have a small single car garage with my 16x20 wood shed next t it.  the OWB piping is run out the floor of the garage under the wood shed.  last year we poured a concrete floor in the wood shed.  So when we do the addition we will be knocking down both the garage and wood shed and digging the ground down(our driveway has an incline at the top) so the OWB piping will be dug up. sorry for the long winded story but just trying to explain it.

The problem is the placement of an indoor unit as we don't want to move it twice and spend twice the money will plumbing and all that.  If we went out and bought an indoor unit tomorrow and put in in my wood shed, DEC cant do a darn thing about it.  That whole concept makes ZERO sense to me.  We just don't want to do things twice because it all cost money.  We are thinking about when we do the addition do the new indoor unit at that time. 

I can get 100' from the one line but my unit would be real close to the rd.

I asked about getting papers signed from the one property owner(which I work for) to waive the 100' and DEC told me it doesn't matter.

Slim, I'm not opposed to an indoor unit as I could make the building its in insulated as its already closed in.  There are incentives from NYSERDA for indoor units but its only a few brands that they offer at this time.  its very frustrating that adults cant come to a mutual agreement anymore.  I tried to act civil with my neighbors and the nicer I got or more solutions I offered the more they got pissed and defensive.  Three months before hand me and my neighbor would have adult beverages on occasion its just aggravating and sad at the same time.

Thanks again
Adam

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Well its all over
« on: March 06, 2016, 05:35:17 AM »
had an issue with a neighbor, I tried to talk like adults with him, he has yelled at my wife on several occasions because she asked him to stop taking pictures of our house and property.  Of course they won the battle.  we got a letter from DEC saying we will decease OWB operation on May 31 we must disassemble our OWB and dispose of it.  we can not install a new unit due to the new regulation saying you have to be 100' from all property lines.  our only other option is to get an indoor wood boiler, which DEC cant do anything about.(makes no sense to me) So we are going to burn oil next winter and do more research on indoor boilers.  I want to thank all the people on here that have helped me with my OWB over the past few years.  there are a lot of knowledgeable people here.  I will be back burning wood hopefully in a few years.  any suggestions on indoor units?  Thanks again and let the smoke fly.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 30, 2016, 04:37:17 AM »
Just wanted to update this topic a little bit.  after much advice I had turned down my boiler temp to 180(from 190) and m differential to 13(from 5)  Boiler is working much better, less wood consumption and now I actually have a nice bed of coals.  after conversation with Ben he suggested I put a circulator in to pump my oil boiler with hot water at all times.  I have yet to do that and most likely will do in the spring, but I have not forgot about it just been too busy with work and getting snowmobiles ready, and on the warm days splitting wood.  Just wanted to say thanks for all that posted on my topic.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 20, 2016, 07:28:12 PM »
so really I'm not utilizing the whole 50 plate HX which is why my house essentially runs out of heat?  If slim gets those pics up maybe you can draw on them to give me an idea on what needs to be changed.  Ben I sent you a message. 

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 20, 2016, 05:03:02 PM »
the one on the bottom is horizontal for my house heat and the other one for my garage heat is vertical.  I plan on putting them both on the bottom this summer.  I'm clueless what a manifold does and how it will help.  Thanks again for taking the time to look at the pics.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 20, 2016, 05:41:37 AM »
I think I know what your saying.  I need a circulator to feed the oii boiler at all times?  what does that help by doing that?  when u get pics up if kinda show me where it need to be.  Thanks again.  wat do you think if the pictures of the OWB?  the circulator on the oil boiler try to get horizontal or the one on the OWB?  Thanks Ben.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 18, 2016, 07:28:31 PM »
It isn't that you are pumping too fast, it is that the increased flow may have changed the flow pattern a lot in the boiler.
I am wondering if the pumps being opposite may be a problem. I don't know what the inside of your boiler looks like but if the ports are just fittings welded to the back of the water jacket, the water may be flowing right across from the return to the other outlet. It may have actually decreased the circulation inside the boiler.

You are correct they are just threaded pipe out of water jacket.  Some one told me that they may cross flow but I had no time to change the other one before the holidays happened and now its to cold to mess with it.  Basically I a not getting true 180-190 degree water to the plate exchanger?  the other pump on top has nothing to do with any plate exchangers, its hooked up to a reznor heater hanging in garage.  separate feed and return, I'm not arguing but just thought id throw that out there. 

Duke, once blower is off its nothing, fire just smolders. 

Ben-You are correct on the ports.  I will take some pics tomorrow after work and try and post if not I will email them to you.  You are like 80 miles away from me I'm in the catskills.  doesn't mean your not welcome LOL.  you guys are great.

By the way I am running 180 with diff set at 8.  today was high of 13 and windy as a SOB and wood consumption was better, not great but better.  Thermostat set on 72 inside but actual temp 70.  oh well keep on trying to fix things.  thanks guys ill have pics tomorrow.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 18, 2016, 03:18:35 PM »
smokeless, so u think my circulator is pumping to much?  I'm not questioning you just want to understand it.  do the plate exchangers and circulators have to be sized properly for optimal performance?  That was my thought on the 15-58 being too small for the bigger exchanger.  if I posted a pic of exchangers and oil boiler would it help?  Id love to have someone who knows their stuff to analyze my system.  system was installed before we bought the house and was done cheaply.  Thanks

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 18, 2016, 05:43:58 AM »
Agriffin, mine is almost like that except I don't have fire brick and my chimney comes down into firebox.  Good ol shaver.  I want to cut that sucker off but don't know what the side effects would be.  I barely ever have just clear air coming out of chimney.  Before I posted this topic I thought it was stupid of me but ive learned quite a bit so far. 

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:04:28 PM »
so I turned temp down to 180 and differential to 8 gonna leave that way till Wednesday then try different differential and see where the sweet spot is till I can add more baseboard.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 17, 2016, 07:03:11 PM »
The biggest difference I see in shorter burn differentials is in creosote build up. The fire never gets hot enough to burn it out. Higher burn temps  using more fuel is almost always linked to conversion of heat to water inside the furnace. Your fire needs to work harder to keep the higher temps. With enough heat extraction in the exhaust this is kept to a minimum.Stoves with a chimney straight out the firebox are less efficient with heavier heat draw. More heat goes out the stack. More heat conversion inside your house has got to help. More baseboard or splice in a cast iron radiator will give a big lift.
great post.  I read it 3 times but I understand what you posted.  thanks.  I was thinking about needing more baseboard but now I'm convinced.  sounds like a new summer project.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 17, 2016, 12:27:56 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think having my differential at 5, the blower kicks on a lot more often and then burns more wood.  am I way out to lunch with that thinking?  I think I am gonna play around with settings this week to find out.  Agriffin, is your boiler a conventional or a gasser?  Wonder if that makes a difference because they burn different.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Boiler temp
« on: January 17, 2016, 05:46:35 AM »
The reason I went for a bigger pump and higher temps was I have a hard time getting my house above 72 when its near 0 or with a windchill below 0.  I was thinking the higher water temps would give me more available btus inside.  I have a fairly big plate exchanger(50 plate for heat and a 30 plate for DHW).  My thought was the 15-58 couldn't give the plate exchanger enough flow for it to work to its full potential.  We have yet to have those days this winter so I can see if it helped my problem.  From past experience I don't think its gonna help. 

RSI- I switched my pump to feed off the bottom for my house loop and my garage loop is feeding off the top.  I had cavitation issues earlier this year with both on top.  since switching pump has had no issues.  May I ask what excessive delta T is? 

I think my issue with house heat it the lack of baseboard heaters inside my house.  my house is only 1600 sq ft.  so that big plate exchanger should heat this place fairly well I believe.  Slim I wish you where closer to NY because Id love to have you redo my whole system because I don't think its hooked up that well.  I am going to turn temp down to 180 today(we have a cold front coming through) and see what happens.  What abut the temp differential?  leave at 5 or go more?  Thanks again.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Boiler temp
« on: January 16, 2016, 07:28:33 PM »
I have a few questions about setting the temp on the OWB.  The first two years I've lived in my current home and used my OWB my temp was always set at 180 using the factory thermos disc.  last year after I reinsulated it and hooked up the ranco I ran at 170 with a differential of 7.  Burned great all year(80% oak and maple).  This year I added some insulation used on nuclear power plants thinking it will be even better. They claim 2000 degrees on one side and u can touch the insulation with your hand and not feel any heat.  Anyway, this year I set my aqua stat at 190 with a differential of 5(mix of cherry, beach, soft maple, not really seasoned 100%).  I don't really see much a difference running 190.  May I add I also swapped from a gundfos 15-58 running on medium to a 26-99 running on medium.  This year has been very mild and it seems like I'm during more wood.  I don't believe its the insulation because I still using the same insulation as last year just added to it.  So my question is, is it because I'm running 190 and the differential is only at 5 or am I circulating water to fast?  I am around 50 feet away so a total of 100 feet loop.  Sorry for the long winded stuff but you guys are great on here and thought id give as much info as I could.  Thanks.

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