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Central Boiler / Re: Door frame on CB 4030
« on: April 23, 2013, 04:23:49 PM »
15 face cords is 5 cords.  That's not bad at all for an outdoor boiler.  That's what you'd expect with an indoor stove.

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Yah!  The snow is slowly melting though.  So much for global warming.  I was down South in Wisconsin yesterday and all the snow is gone.  It's 2013.  13 is an unlucky number.

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"Other experts say it will be achievable, but the stoves that will be made may not be as appealing to consumers."

This means they will be more complex and more expensive.  I don't think there are that many wood boilers in use in the United States to make much of a difference to air quality.  What is really prompting this?  Is it narrow minded groups like the Sierra Club?

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WoodMaster / Re: woodmaster ultra
« on: March 20, 2013, 07:20:25 PM »
Woodmaster is a good company.  I've spoke to our local dealer and they give good support.  I don't own an outdoor boiler and was seriously looking at his.  He was honest enough to tell me that I shouldn't consider a gasser since I was only going to heat the house and the difference in cost would never be paid for by the wood savings.

The Ultra is a European product.  Would that lead to high prices for parts or repair?  This thing is PLC programmed.  If this computer goes belly up in a few years will your local vendor be able to support it?  All computer based equipment has the potential of leaving you orphaned.  Can the local vendor reload the ladder logic of the PLC if necessary? 

Since this thing takes wood pellets and is fully automated you should have a unit that will make your heating very easy.  Wood pellets tend to burn quite clean so you won't even have much waste.  Where I live there are multiple local manufacturers of the pellets.  I would imagine the availability of pellets is not too much of a problem in most of the country.  They can even make pellets from paper, grass and corn stalks if the demand is there.

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Fire Wood / Re: firewood prep
« on: March 18, 2013, 04:55:11 PM »
You know, since you are buying the wood, you might be able to get by with an electric log splitter.  If you are splitting in the woods, forget it.  An electric would mean one less engine to mess with.  I don't mean one of those little Chinese ones.  They won't hold up.  Ramsplitter makes some hefty electric ones that may cost a bit less than a gas one.  They have videos on U-Tube.  The tonnage looks a bit less, but they seem to do the job.


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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Coatings
« on: March 17, 2013, 10:49:44 AM »
Just curious:

If you own a stove made of stainless like a Hardy or Heatmor will you still have all these weld problems?  Stainless is often used because it does not corrode.  I've read some stuff that the heat transfer isn't as good, but if it holds up with no hassles it may be a decent tradeoff. 

What is the ProFormer?  I looked on ProFabs website for a bit and didn't see this product mentioned.

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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: March 13, 2013, 04:56:47 PM »
One thing nobody ever seems to bring up.  All of these outdoor wood burners are made on the North American Continent (I think).  They all burn domestic renewable energy.  I'd think a lot of propane comes from imported oil.  (You may correct me.)  It's almost patriotic to be using a wood burner.   

Lots of other heating equipment is not made here.  Big money spent on those heating appurtenances is money that is out of the country.  It's gone.  The country is poorer.  It's like the big Wall Street types when they hide  their money in some Caribbean bank.

When you swing that axe for your Hawken wood burner, you just might be taking a swing for America.   

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: OWB for PA
« on: February 24, 2013, 10:31:48 AM »
I believe "down draft" is when the air flow is down like the newer gasification boilers.  Many, but not all, blow the hot gases from the initial combustion downward for secondary combustion of the gases.  Having this heat below the initial combustion may also preheat the wood and contribute to greater thermodynamic efficiency like the feedwater heaters in coal plants.

OK - You can't have certain outdoor boilers in Pennsylvania.  What happens if you just build a shed around them?  Are they still OWBs then or just an indoor boiler"

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: What would you get and why?
« on: February 08, 2013, 02:35:35 PM »
If I had the money, probably a heatmor.  I know a guy who's had one for 20 years with little to no trouble.  I also note that they are a pretty big make and this forum has few complaints about them.  They are also supposed to be pretty efficient so less wood.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Indoor boiler used outdoors
« on: February 06, 2013, 03:39:46 PM »
Indoor wood boilers are less expensive than the outdoor ones.  Is there anything wrong with using one of these and just building your own shed around it?  It seems like it would have all of the advantages of a "conventional" OWB.  In fact, I wonder if it would be better since you should be able to access everything without being out in the wind and snow when you had to work on it.

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Would this prevent someone from either building their own stove completely from scratch?

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Go to U-Tube and look for the Ernie movie.  He's a guy that lives on the North shore of the big lake.  It's pretty amazing.  He has a Garn unit.  Big bucks for a Garn.  Too bad they don't build a mini-Garn.

GARN WHS 2000 - Ernie - Duluth, Minnesota

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Fire Wood / Re: starting oak
« on: December 28, 2012, 09:52:12 PM »
Keep the oak dry.  I've been trying to burn some that sat on the ground.  It was very red and heavy.  Hey!  I said to myself, "This stuff is so heavy it will burn like coal!"  Wrong!  The wood was wet.  I can get it to burn, but it puts out very little heat and of course it won't dry in Winter.  The smoke from this wet stuff is pure white,......all steam.

I learned my lesson.  I will try to keep those logs out of the mud.

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Fire Wood / Re: Pellets for OWB
« on: December 28, 2012, 09:46:49 PM »
I burn some pellets in my wood stove to get the fire going good and hot.  If you depend on them for all of your heat, they must get kind of expensive.  They are about $4 / bag.  The bags are 40 lbs.  There are 50 bags to the ton.

It's still December and if 6 tons have been burned:

$4 / bag X 50 bags/ ton X 6 tons = $1200

Pellets burn very hot too.  8500 BTUs / lb X 12,000 lbs = 102,000,000 BTUs

102,000,000 BTUs / 92,000 BTUs per gallon of propane = 1109 gallons of propane X $2.5 / gallon = $2772

There's a lot of savings there compared to propane. :thumbup:

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The Woodmaster has a lifetime warranty, central boiler seems to have been around the longest, shaver seems to have been misleading consumers a little.

Who's really the oldest?  This is from Central Boiler's Website:


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Central Boiler is the leading manufacturer of outdoor furnaces in Northern America. Founded in 1984 and based in Greenbush, Minnesota where the winter temperatures can drop to 59 degrees below zero, we know the value of safe, efficient heat.

This is from Heatmor's website:

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In 1984, Gerry Reed, President of HEATMOR™, made a commitment to build the best performing and longest lasting outdoor furnace on the market.

In 1990, he began constructing HEATMOR™ furnaces with heavy gauge 409 stainless steel,...

They are both made in Northern Minnesota and both seem to put out a good product.  Personally, I'd avoid one made in the South.  I just would think one made in a place that gets close to -60 degrees F would have to work better.  Woodmaster is also made in cold Minnesota.  This is from their website:

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WoodMaster furnaces are manufactured and distributed by Northwest Manufacturing of Red Lake Falls, Minnesota. Since 1989,...


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