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tlynholland

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WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« on: November 04, 2010, 08:03:14 PM »

This is the beginning of my 3rd season with my 4400. Late last winter it began over heating and now this season it is even worse and consistently. It's boiling the water out the top constantly and I have to constantly re-fill it. I do not see water coming out anywhere else. I have my stove set on 160 but it is running over 200 (212) ALL the time.
I replaced the fire rope and checked the flapper above the fan as my dealer suggested. 
I'm not happy at all with the stove and the guys at work that burn Hardy Stainless steel stoves all claim they have never had ANY trouble. My dealer says I have an air leak somewhere but I can't find it.
Anyone else have this trouble?
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 07:44:42 AM »

Did you check around the opening for the ash auger.
Mine did the same thing but it was the flapper.
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 07:51:44 AM »

I have never used my ash auger or had the front plate off. I checked it and did not notice any opening or leaking around it.
I checked the flapper on the fan and it is staying closed

My fan hardly ever kicks on because my stove stays so hot.

Very frustating
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 12:23:06 PM »

Sorry about your troubles.... but the only thing I can think of is an air leak.  If the fan is not running, as you've stated, and the stove is burning that hot...... it must be getting too much air when it shouldn't be.

Hope you find the problem.
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM »

I have never used my ash auger or had the front plate off. I checked it and did not notice any opening or leaking around it.
I checked the flapper on the fan and it is staying closed

My fan hardly ever kicks on because my stove stays so hot.

Very frustating

Does the door close hard or easy?
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 04:22:51 PM »

The door swings just fine, but I have to push hard to turn the handle and close it.  I don't ever see smoke coming out anywhere except for the flu. Before I replace the fire rope I was seeing smoke come out around my door.
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2010, 04:47:30 PM »

The door swings just fine, but I have to push hard to turn the handle and close it.  I don't ever see smoke coming out anywhere except for the flu. Before I replace the fire rope I was seeing smoke come out around my door.

I was just out looking at mine. Trying to find out why yours is doing that the only thing that I see would be the door gasket but you said you replaced that.
What about around the rod you pull out before opening the door. How tall of a stack do you have?
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2010, 10:08:38 AM »

Sir,  I don't have a lot of experience with my 4400 WM yet, haven't had any problems.  Your furnace has to have access to air inorder to burn out of control. You say there is no leak through the door or auger. I am nort sure about the arrangement of the baffle rod, but it does seem to allow the stove to vent better. I would check into the possibility of  a malunction in that area.  Good Luck
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2010, 01:42:31 PM »

i know nothing of this stove you have but have a question or two. you say you can find no air leaks, well to have your stove boil over your stove is getting air from somewhere. are you standing beside your stove and see and hear the fan shut off and the solenoid close the damper to the air supply at your setting of 160? are you sure your aquastat is functioning properly and shutting off at 160?

when your damper is shut off can you go around it (if it is not windy) with a smoke stick (something like inscense) and see if any of the smoke is being drawin into the stove around the door or air damper areas.

these things are very simple...no air, no fire.

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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 06:12:56 PM »

Did you find the air leak yet?
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 07:35:58 PM »

Like everyone has said....   you have an air leak... no if's, and's, or but's abouts it!   

Your going to have to more closely inspect your stove and try what willie said.  It's drawing in air somewhere!

As far as the hardy owners..  I think your stove is better than a hardy, you just have a problem that you haven't pinned down.  It will most likely be Very simple when you find it
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER - RESOLVED!!! YIPPEE!
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 08:01:40 AM »

Well, here is what I did to find my leak. I put a bucket on top of the flue and watched for smoke to come out. Turns out my door which I had put new fire rop on was the culprit.  I had bought the largest size rope at Tractor Supply (TSC) which was 5/8s in diameter.  They also included a small tube of high temp gasket seal with it, but it didn't go very far. This time I went to Rural King and found their 3/4 inch rope and bought a large tube of gasket sealant. I toook off the old rope and disc grinded the door area to bare metal. I applied a liberal amount of sealant and then secured the new thicker rope. I left the door open untile the sealant dried before closing it. Now I am operating at 170 to 177 at the highest. I have my stove set to 160 so the fan kicks off when it gets to that temp.
Would I have done any damage to my stove with having it burn so hot and boiling out the water?
It seems to be working fine now. My house is nice and toasty warm and I do not have to constantly fill it up with water.  I'm very happy again.

THANKS for all the advice and suggestions!
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 08:09:44 AM »

Glad you found the problem. Has far as any damage you should be fine I boiled mine over 3 times before I found my problem and my temp was 212.
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 04:08:22 PM »

bucket on the chimney...good idea i am sure we will all remember that one!

aint it nice when things can be fixed so easily
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Re: WOODMASTER 4400 OVER BOILING & USING WATER
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 09:31:56 PM »

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