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Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« on: October 31, 2018, 07:53:08 PM »

Been looking at CB's Edge since it came out a few years ago. Really like the added changes to the new HD. 409 stainless, easy access to all the exchangers, FireStar with built in XP wifi and steppers instead of solenoids. My dealer buddy found a buyer for my 2010 Eclassic 2400 and persuaded me to pull the trigger. We will be making the changeout this weekend. Nothing wrong with my 2400 its been flawless and I've have been totally satisfied with it, but my buddy says this one is even better with added features and easier maintenance. Will be fun to compare notes with Roger and his new 550. Time to burn!
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2018, 09:22:26 PM »

New Edge up and running. Change out went smooth, water came up to temperature quickly. Will send in required water sample after 48 hours of circulation for the 25 year warranty coverage. Have not tried hooking up the xp wifi yet. My techie son said he will come by tomorrow night and help connect up. Will keep you posted after getting a couple of days operation under my belt to compare it with my E2400.
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2018, 03:08:36 AM »

New Edge up and running. Change out went smooth, water came up to temperature quickly. Will send in required water sample after 48 hours of circulation for the 25 year warranty coverage. Have not tried hooking up the xp wifi yet. My techie son said he will come by tomorrow night and help connect up. Will keep you posted after getting a couple of days operation under my belt to compare it with my E2400.

Congratulations!  I know you'll like it, especially the wifi connection. 
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 08:12:57 PM »

XP wifi up and running. Connected easily to my router. I've attached a screenshot of XP chart. Seems to run very similiar to my 2400. Fan shuts off at 185 and water temp overshoots by 4-5 degrees just from the intense burn and coals which is about the same as my 2400 at current 30 degree temperatures. Will probably overshoot less once get more of a winter heat load on it. No problem. Very stingy on wood usage, best guess is pretty similar to the 2400, but can better compare when gets colder. Firebox seems to be burning a little drier than the 2400 and burn recovery time may be quicker. My wood all has been seasoned for about a year which I've been ahead on now for many years, so getting nice reaction chamber temps of 1,000 - 1,400 degrees each burn cycle.
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2018, 11:15:30 AM »

Update - Up and running for a week now. Firebox seems to be burning much drier than Eclassic. Very little if any creosote buildup on air channels or air holes. Burn cycles seem to recover water temperature faster too. Very pleased.
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2018, 01:49:07 PM »

Update - Up and running for a week now. Firebox seems to be burning much drier than Eclassic. Very little if any creosote buildup on air channels or air holes. Burn cycles seem to recover water temperature faster too. Very pleased.

 :thumbup:  I saw the same thing this morning when I cleaned mine for the 1st time in weeks of operation.  What stood out to me was how easily the creosote, if there was any, scrapes off the stainless as opposed to carbon steel.  The only hiccup I had experienced this morning was when I went to remove the panel that's below the firebox door, the center castle nut was crossed threaded when they assembled it and it was a bear to remove.  I'll have to replace the bolt and nut the next time I clean her.  Other than that, it is by far a simpler boiler to maintain. 
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2018, 06:01:17 AM »

Update - Up and running for a week now. Firebox seems to be burning much drier than Eclassic. Very little if any creosote buildup on air channels or air holes. Burn cycles seem to recover water temperature faster too. Very pleased.

 :thumbup:  I saw the same thing this morning when I cleaned mine for the 1st time in weeks of operation.  What stood out to me was how easily the creosote, if there was any, scrapes off the stainless as opposed to carbon steel.  The only hiccup I had experienced this morning was when I went to remove the panel that's below the firebox door, the center castle nut was crossed threaded when they assembled it and it was a bear to remove.  I'll have to replace the bolt and nut the next time I clean her.  Other than that, it is by far a simpler boiler to maintain.

It might not have been cross threaded. I've found that sometimes creosote works its way into the threads and locks them together. I've broke a few off myself. Luckily their a standard size you can find at a hardware store.

If you get another one that sticks, use a propane or mapp gas torch to heat the nut and burn off the creosote. This usually loosens them right up. Then use a little high temp anti-sieze when you reassemble and they should come out easier the next time.  :thumbup:
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2018, 12:08:58 PM »

Update - Up and running for a week now. Firebox seems to be burning much drier than Eclassic. Very little if any creosote buildup on air channels or air holes. Burn cycles seem to recover water temperature faster too. Very pleased.

 :thumbup:  I saw the same thing this morning when I cleaned mine for the 1st time in weeks of operation.  What stood out to me was how easily the creosote, if there was any, scrapes off the stainless as opposed to carbon steel.  The only hiccup I had experienced this morning was when I went to remove the panel that's below the firebox door, the center castle nut was crossed threaded when they assembled it and it was a bear to remove.  I'll have to replace the bolt and nut the next time I clean her.  Other than that, it is by far a simpler boiler to maintain.

It might not have been cross threaded. I've found that sometimes creosote works its way into the threads and locks them together. I've broke a few off myself. Luckily their a standard size you can find at a hardware store.

If you get another one that sticks, use a propane or mapp gas torch to heat the nut and burn off the creosote. This usually loosens them right up. Then use a little high temp anti-sieze when you reassemble and they should come out easier the next time.  :thumbup:

I never gave high temp antiseize a thought.  Thanks for the tip!  As for the castle nut and bolt; no big deal, the next time at one of the box stores or hardware store I'll grab a few stainless steel bolts and castle nuts to have on hand.  Plus, I need to purchase a ratchet wrench and socket to live at the OWB only.   Roger
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2018, 08:50:42 PM »

My Edge 750HD is still running perfectly for 6 weeks now. Very little creosote building up on the air channels. Nothing but a little fine dust in the rear access heat exchangers. I have no intention of taking off the primary elbow or pulling the air channel panels until the end of the heating season. Small amount of ash scooped out of reaction chamber. Very easy to do through both the front and now rear access doors. The wifi XP is a great feature and chart looks great. I attached a shot of the dashboard  and chart so you can see what it looks like.
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2019, 05:43:57 PM »

My Edge has now been running for 11 weeks and I'm totally impressed with how easy it is to run and more forgiving on coalbed depth. As long as I keep the coals below the firebox side and front air holes and push the rod through the coals once a day, that is about all I have to do. About every 3 weeks I remove 3-4 small square faced shovels of powder ash out of reaction chamber through the front and rear access. Nothing but a little light powdery ash on the rear exhangers. That hinged rear access door sure eliminates the rear exchanger cleaning issue knock that most gassers have had over the years. Still no creosote buildup on the side or front air channels inside as it seems to just burn off. As previously stated, the stainless seems to operate much drier. My intent is still to not pull off the primary elbow or channel covers until spring shut down unless performance says I need to. Continuing to get 1,000+ reaction chamber temps every burn cycle. Even with colder temps it does not seem to be burning any more wood than previous. At current usage I should have wood from my estimated 2018 allotment carrying over for next season. I could not live without the XP wifi after having it on my smart phone showing me current temps and history charts. It becomes addicting and almost like a game trying for new high reaction chamber temps and performance charts! Will keep you posted as we go through the 2nd half of the heating season.
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2019, 05:31:48 AM »

My Edge has now been running for 11 weeks and I'm totally impressed with how easy it is to run and more forgiving on coalbed depth. As long as I keep the coals below the firebox side and front air holes and push the rod through the coals once a day, that is about all I have to do. About every 3 weeks I remove 3-4 small square faced shovels of powder ash out of reaction chamber through the front and rear access. Nothing but a little light powdery ash on the rear exhangers. That hinged rear access door sure eliminates the rear exchanger cleaning issue knock that most gassers have had over the years. Still no creosote buildup on the side or front air channels inside as it seems to just burn off. As previously stated, the stainless seems to operate much drier. My intent is still to not pull off the primary elbow or channel covers until spring shut down unless performance says I need to. Continuing to get 1,000+ reaction chamber temps every burn cycle. Even with colder temps it does not seem to be burning any more wood than previous. At current usage I should have wood from my estimated 2018 allotment carrying over for next season. I could not live without the XP wifi after having it on my smart phone showing me current temps and history charts. It becomes addicting and almost like a game trying for new high reaction chamber temps and performance charts! Will keep you posted as we go through the 2nd half of the heating season.

boilerman - I too am seeing the samething with my Edge 550.  There are a couple of pictures on facebook where previous owners of the 550's have not bothered to check the heat exchangers and you can see what happens when a person neglects or uses the wrong approach to burning wood in a gasser.  A couple of them were plugged.  It's believed that the previous owners either used extremely wet wood, not letting it burn hot enough, or some other factors that caused it.  That rear door really makes it simple to clean that heat exchanger.  Every 2 weeks, whether she needs it or not I clean the reaction chamber of the flay ash and run a boiler brush through the fins of the heat exchanger.  It's only fine dust but I want that thing as clean as possible to get the best exchange I can get.  Like you, I too love the XP wifi on my cell phone.  It is definitely addicting.  :)    Roger   
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Re: Installing a New CB Edge 750 HD this weekend!
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2019, 08:52:27 PM »

Update - Here we are on March 11, still cold and still snowing. My Edge continues to perform without any hiccups. Reaction chamber temps on my XP chart continues to show 1,000-1,200 degree temps each burn cycle. I still have found no need to pull or check my primary elbow or behind any air channels inside the firebox. Just brush a little light dust out of the rear heat exchanger through the rear hinge door every 3 weeks when I shovel out some ash powder from the reaction chamber. Love this furnace and couldn't be easier. Looking forward to calling it the end of the heating season though. Been a long cold and snowy winter. Will then remove the primary elbow and firebox channel covers for the first time and see if there is anything behind them. Will continue to keep you posted.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2019, 03:41:03 AM »

Update - Here we are on March 11, still cold and still snowing. My Edge continues to perform without any hiccups. Reaction chamber temps on my XP chart continues to show 1,000-1,200 degree temps each burn cycle. I still have found no need to pull or check my primary elbow or behind any air channels inside the firebox. Just brush a little light dust out of the rear heat exchanger through the rear hinge door every 3 weeks when I shovel out some ash powder from the reaction chamber. Love this furnace and couldn't be easier. Looking forward to calling it the end of the heating season though. Been a long cold and snowy winter. Will then remove the primary elbow and firebox channel covers for the first time and see if there is anything behind them. Will continue to keep you posted.

boilerman - I'm glad to see that you are happy with your purchase and not experiencing any problems.  I had a couple of minor hiccups with mine.  One was the low water sensor needed replacing; I got a low water alarm on my iPhone.  The old one was made of plastic and it had broke, I changed it for a new one which is stainless steel, it was covered under warranty, and that took care of the problem.  The other was I received a high water temp alarm on my iPhone.  It was due to the spring that's connected to the elbow cap, the end of it snagged the steel structure to which the stepper motor connects and it prevented it from landing flat on the elbow opening.  I made a small adjustment to it and it's been running great since.  I think it was somewhere in February that I checked the elbows and air channels for any creosote.  There was only a minor amount, maybe an 1/8 of an inch so I removed it and put everything back together.  Every 2 weeks I clear the reaction chamber of fly ash, I run the brush through the Hx while I have the access door open.  I also remove the end cap from the chimney "T" and remove any fly ash buildup from there.  The only problem I'm having is one I inflict; with the outdoor temperatures increasing, I have keep reminding myself not to put so much wood in the firebox but that's a hard habit to break.  Yesterday I put far too much in it so for the overnight I only put in 6 pieces, looking at the firestar she's till going strong.  It'll be maybe another month before I shut her down for the off season.  I'll be sure to report back what I find, or rather what I don't find.  Roger
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