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[aarmga]

Anyone ever hear of this company?  I think these guys are on the path to the "next generation" of what our future might hold.  On top of having a really cool looking, very efficient boiler, they make an automatic wood loader!  It can go days without having to think about it.  Something to realize, our younger generation is getting lazy.  Either way id never own one but it is pretty darn cool.  Btw the burn chamber on a few of their models is 7/8" thick v shaped so you will never have your wood "bridge".

I am very excited for the future! This is something I would very well consider.  According to the EPA this is the cleanest burning stove available I guess.

Here's some of the features
  1.  Large, gas-piston assisted, loading door
  2.  Inverted cone-shaped loading chamber promotes wood
       free-fall without ‘bridging’
  3.  Loading chamber, the most vulnerable part of any wood
       boiler, is 10 to 20 mm thick. (3/8" to7/8")
  4.  Ceramic honey-combed is readily accessible for easy ash
       removal.
  5.  Robust embossed aluminum boiler jacket.
  6.  Primary & secondary air preheated by passing under
       cyclonic combustion chamber.
  7.  Secondary combustion chamber. CO and organics
       consumed.
  8.  Primary air intake – actuator driven. Closed off when
       loading wood to eliminate smoke rollback
  9.  Pre-heated secondary air blended with wood gas at entry
       to secondary combustion chamber. 
 10.  Flue gas temperature based thermo-difference control
         monitors and regulates combustion.
 11. Combusted flue-gases pass through turbulators to
       maximize thermal efficiency
12.  Heat exchangers located above secondary combustion
                                                                                       eliminates condensing.
13.  Single integrated control mounted to top of boiler.
14.  Industrial top-mount inducer allows for venting in mutiple directions.
15.  Thermal safety heat exchanger.
16.  Heavy, high quality, mineral wool insulation reduces boiler radiation losses.
17.  The embossed aluminum jacket gives the DRUMMER a robust look that is impact resistant and free of
       corrosion.

                                        Lopper North America - Albany New York - 518-227-0080

Here is the auto loader

https://youtu.be/90v35yb9NTw

[E Yoder]

I'm wondering where they got such nice even wood...
Cool  idea on the auto loader. And pricey too I bet.


The G and C Series firebox is tapered wider at the bottom especially on the smaller units. Most people don't notice.
I think the Drummer units are rated with storage doing batch burning which is a different system and test method. I could be wrong about that but most European gassers are.
I'm not saying that in criticism, just that the test method changes the #'s.

[aarmga]

Completely understand.  The auto loader is a good idea but something that is completely impractical to me.  If you can't load your own wood everyday then I guess you shouldn't be burningnwood in the first place.  Now is this an American made stove?  I see the company is from New York? 

[E Yoder]

I thought the Lopper Drummer was made in Germany. With a North American distributor perhaps?

[aarmga]

I just took a look and you are correct.  North America is the sales head quarter they list on the website.

[RSI]

With the kind of price that thing probably costs, I would rather have a chip burner.

[Roger2561]

During my lunch break today I thought I'd see if I could find a price tag on it.  After doing a Google search I found their website.  If I read the thing right, the starting price is around $50,000.00; the price jumps to about $70,000.00 to get it hooked up.  Me thinks this thing is more geared for businesses use.  Roger 

[mlappin]

If you load it up and it doesn’t require human intervention for days and days the things that could go horribly wrong boggles the mind.

I haven’t checked yet, but I’m pretty sure our chip burner will be well under $70,000.

[E Yoder]

A lot! Like half almost.

So far the one on my brothers sawmill is running great. Turbs got tight from burning sopping wet chips left out in the rain. Will have to work at cleaning them this spring. But wow, 500,000 btu's nonstop. Feed augers haven't jammed once all winter.

[mlappin]

A lot! Like half almost.

So far the one on my brothers sawmill is running great. Turbs got tight from burning sopping wet chips left out in the rain. Will have to work at cleaning them this spring. But wow, 500,000 btu's nonstop. Feed augers haven't jammed once all winter.

 

I have a friend that buys a round bale a week from me for his horses, he works for a company that might go in a 20 acre woods and clear cut 4 or 5 acres of it for a building site, they chip all of it, have a chipper with a couple hundred horse diesel on it. Now for the kicker, they pay to dump the chips they can’t get rid of at the county landfill, but heat the shop with several diesel salamanders, buddy said they can burn up to 30 gallons of diesel a day, doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out a chip burner could be in their future considering the guy is also paying for LP to heat his house and garage all on the same site.

[mlappin]

I'm wondering where they got such nice even wood...

If it’s run thru a processor that has a 8, 12  or even 20 way splitter the stuff out the middle has to be all the same size, or it could have been run thru  a firewood tumbler that’s set up to sort by size. My processor only has a fixed four way wedge so you can get a lot of variation.

A guy I know in the next county over has one of those Multitek firewood processors, basically a semi trailer with a heated and air conditioned cab to run the processor, can’t remember the size of the engine on it but its a turbo charged six cylinder.

I’m gonna go check out his tumbler, with our ash trees getting in as bad a shape as they are I had a ton of bark in this years pile, bark tends to pack right in and cut airflow to nill, and once it gets wet with no airflow it never drys out. Just need a whole bunch of 10 foot chunks of pipe then have some flat iron rolled into four foot circles, be my next project in my spare time.

[E Yoder]

Perfect candidate for a chip burner. You really need to look into that. I think it's a whole new market.

[aarmga]

During my lunch break today I thought I'd see if I could find a price tag on it.  After doing a Google search I found their website.  If I read the thing right, the starting price is around $50,000.00; the price jumps to about $70,000.00 to get it hooked up.  Me thinks this thing is more geared for businesses use.  Roger

Are you serious??? How in world could something cost that much? I figured 15 to 20 grand

[Roger2561]

During my lunch break today I thought I'd see if I could find a price tag on it.  After doing a Google search I found their website.  If I read the thing right, the starting price is around $50,000.00; the price jumps to about $70,000.00 to get it hooked up.  Me thinks this thing is more geared for businesses use.  Roger

Are you serious??? How in world could something cost that much? I figured 15 to 20 grand

Like I said, only if I read it right.  I could have misread what I was looking at but the number $50,000.00 and $70,000.00 jump out of the computer at me when I saw them.  If that is indeed the price, then it's geared mainly for the businesses not the home owner.  Around here that's about a 1/3 of the cost of a new home.  In other words, it's priced out of reach for the average home owner.   Roger

[slimjim]

Although chips are definitely a fuel for the future in the commercial market they come with some major drawbacks that would disqualify them from the average homeowner market, after working with P and Ms chip boiler for several years, we found some of the hurdles were


Chip availability
Chip quality and sizing
Moisture content
Chips freezing
Dry storage
Fire hazard
Electrical and mechanical issues
Lack of a market that would drive investment, low crude oil pricing
PRICE!

With that being said, for the right company who has access to dry storage and a continuous supply of fuel, chips can be a very profitable alternative fuel.