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Fire Wood / Re: Stacking
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:18:24 AM »
Is that a MiniZ under the covers there?   :thumbup:

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Programable Thermostats
« on: December 07, 2017, 07:06:40 AM »
I'm thinking of purchasing programable thermostats for my boiler heat. How do you guys have yours set? For example what time do you have it raise or drop and how does it affect your wood consumption. Before I buy the two Thermostats I want to make sure it's worth the money time and trouble. I have two units so I would need 2 Thermostats. And also I now have separate thermostats for heat pump and boiler so in reality now I have 4 thermostats. Thinking of installing a thermostat that will control ac, heat pump, and boiler all from one thermostat. Any suggestion on a particular brand or model that works best for all this I've thrown at you is appreciated.

To be perfectly honest I don’t have it to save wood, not sure it would anyways, if you let the temp drop at night you save some wood, but then you burn more in the morning.

9pm ours is set to drop to 67, at around 6am its set to bring the house back up to 73.

It’s mainly nice for the wifi feature, if we are going to be gone longer than we thought or decide to stay over nite for example I can drop the temp of the house from my smartphone, conversely if we are coming home earlier than planned I can have the house warm when we get home.
Ya I suppose I am a little more spoiled than folks that have to load up the fire box in the morning to make sure they catch the ramp up.  I have the thermostat set to ramp up about an hour before we normally wake up.

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Regulations / Re: New Rules for 2020
« on: December 02, 2017, 06:40:34 AM »
Then lets not forget about all the people who now have stoves wit worthless warranties as the manufacture’s closure was a direct result of the EPA rules?

Instead of forcing it on people, they could have done a slower phase in and had a program like cash for clunkers except cash for smokers.
There will always be whiny excuses to not deploy.  I'd rather government not continually drag on their regulations.  Get it over with and make a clean break so to speak. 

People can buy stoves and be in the same spot if a mfg goes belly up (and they have) irrespective of government compliance.  Personally I have a hard time feeling for companies that have such shoddy leadership that they can't manage to offer complying models.  It shows lack of research, understanding, and involvement in the industry.  There was no excuse for a stove mfg to be missing a compliant model from their lineup when the rules rolled out, none.
 

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Regulations / Re: New Rules for 2020
« on: December 02, 2017, 06:05:26 AM »
So it seems the hated liberals pushing the law wasn't so horrible after all....   >:D

You mean other than people losing jobs after the company they worked for folded either from not having a compliant model or not being able to afford the testing and certification?
Absolutely. 

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Regulations / Re: New Rules for 2020
« on: November 30, 2017, 06:52:08 PM »
So it seems the hated liberals pushing the law wasn't so horrible after all....   >:D

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Advanced Plumbing / Re: Tying into existing floor heat options?
« on: November 30, 2017, 03:43:22 PM »
How about a storage tank and run the circulator that triggers the heater off of storage tank temp?

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Electronics / Re: 1 thermostat for heat pump and outdoor wood boiler
« on: November 30, 2017, 07:55:57 AM »
Thanks E Yoder. I like the idea of the Ranco Temp control. I did not think about the problem of bumping up the temp to fast and the emergency heat kicking in. I changed  the relay to a DPDT. I'm not planning to run it in the summer so at this point I wouldn't need a switch.
New drawing attached.

Naturally aspirated with the nest thermostat can I have the first stage of heat be the outdoor wood boiler? I currently have a 4 heat 2 cool White Rogers (1F95EZ-0671) thermostat and was told by tech support that the heat pump had to the first stage of heat. Is there a work around for that with the nest?

Thanks for the input.
You can hook it up anyway you wish, however there are certain handicaps (that all multistage thermostats will have I imagine).  Things such as temp deltas before stages kick on, runtime deltas before lower stages kick on, ect.

So far no one has seem to locate a perfect thermostat that has all the flexibility to configure every setting. 

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Electronics / Re: 1 thermostat for heat pump and outdoor wood boiler
« on: November 29, 2017, 08:27:19 PM »
 You can use a Nest for three stages of heat if you wish.  There other three stage thermostats out there as well.

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General Discussion / Re: Christmas is coming
« on: November 26, 2017, 09:22:07 AM »
New laptop for me!

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Started the Wood Boiler
« on: November 21, 2017, 06:58:26 AM »
You fellas just firing up in the last week or so are lucky SOBs!  I've been running for 2 months already!
 :bash:

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Some pics of my setup
« on: November 21, 2017, 06:48:49 AM »
I'm not sure about Slimchance, but I can see your pics...
...they're humongous... And I have to scroll left and right to see all of them, but I can see them.
Ya that I believe is settings in the forum software.  There should be an option to autosize the pics.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Programable Thermostats
« on: November 21, 2017, 06:06:41 AM »
Don’t recall the Nest having a H3, or was that the connection that was a user defined? I think I’m using that one to control my whole house humidifier.
Yes * is user defined.  I did have my humidifier wired to * for a while but then I just ran it directly to fan control relay in the air handler.  I had to split H1 and H3 because I have the schedule set to 67 night setback and 72 morning setpoint.  This often kicks on H1 and H2.  I didn't want the electric kicking on every morning during the ramp up.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Some pics of my setup
« on: November 21, 2017, 06:00:47 AM »
Sorry for being a pain, I am a newbie to the site so I am still learning my way around.  I can not see your pictures or links to your pictures anywhere in your post.  What am I missing?  I would love to see more pics of what people are doing for boiler sheds and wood storage for their boilers.
Not sure why you can't see my pics, I can see them, but I don't know if anyone else can.

Can others see the pics in this thread?
Yes, they seem to show up just fine.  Can you see these?  My bulk bin install this year:

Standing up the bulk bin(6 ton):




Bro and pops helping with the cement for the new dog house and kennel.  The first 8' from the garage has foam insulation underneath and a PEX loop for in floor heat for the dog house portion.








Took the daughter out in the combine, getting some fuel for next year!


 :thumbup:

The setup is in a semi temporary spot, I'm moving the stove and redoing the underground runs into the house and the garage next summer.  That's why the bin is on gravel and not a cement pad.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Programable Thermostats
« on: November 21, 2017, 05:34:54 AM »
I have a Nest gen 3.  It's very nice and has many nice smart features.  I have it wired up so that my OWB is H1, H2 is dummy wired to nothing (just a short bit of wire into the terminal, and H3 (* connection on the Nest) is my second/backup heat source, which is electric strips in the air handler).  This allows me to set the eco/away mode down to 65 when the wife and I leave the house, and the thermostat will only kick on two levels of heat when we are sensed as home.  The Nest has a 7* spread between H1 and H3.  I also have the Nest tied into my IFTTT account so I get a text message if the house gets to 64 degrees for a low warning and 74 degrees for a high warning.  I also use Nest manager from gethub to tie it into my Samsung Smatthings home automation.  This allows routines to be run, turn on/off lights with house temperature reaches certain point, ect.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: In floor heating
« on: November 18, 2017, 06:54:16 AM »
What about electronics and a separate pump.
Not so much as in floor heating but under floor heating from my boiler.
Was wondering what is evolved in setting this up.
Do I need a separate pump?, and what kind of controls?
Very new at this but pretty handy for a guy with only one hand.
1st year with my boiler. Hx in forced air oil furnace and a 30 plate hx for dhw a manifold.
Thanks for any advice.
In floor and under floor are two different animals.  You want maximum temperature for under floor, and a mixed down temp for in floor (85-120* water temps usually).

If you want your under floor zoned on it's own thermostat a separate pump is the best way to go.  I think you may want to just put a couple closely spaced Ts after your DHW exchanger, and run the pump off the floor thermostat. 

See page 61-62 in Idronics #19 from Caleffi:
https://www.caleffi.com/sites/default/files/coll_attach_file/idronics_19_na.pdf

 :thumbup:

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