Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: Mr. Maple on February 16, 2015, 07:03:05 AM
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Took some pictures this morning of our advertised smokeless owb, this is 15 minutes after loading, as I am typing this it is just over 1 hour since loading, has cycled on and off, pretty much the same picture if I were to take another one now. If someone can please let me know how to post, I will add 3 pictures. I get a notice that the uploader file is full, yet my picture size is only 800x530
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Use a service like Photobucket or Flickr to upload your picture to then post the link here. The moderators on this site are trying to contact the owner about upgrading the storage.
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smokem if ya gottem
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/kommandokenny/Feb16-40.jpg)
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needs more airflow in fire
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it also has something to do with it being cold out right? Moisture in the wood coming out the stack
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Woods dry.
It's the cold..... and I had red hot coals in the box.
Threw in a wheelbarrow o wood and closed the door.
Fan blows good and everything started up at once.
Gotta love it :thumbup:
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I sure enjoy mine even though some dislike it..
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A lot of that can be moisture condensing in the air. To the untrained eye it looks like a gasifier smokes as well except its actually steam and dissipates very quickly. Thats all I get from the waste oil boiler in the shop is steam out of the stack, disappears before it travels 10 foot.
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Barometric pressure, relative humidity, ect.
Even the infamous Optimizer 250 smokes some times on a new charge of wood especially. A classic style boiler is going to smoke even more. Who would call a BL series "smokeless?" That's not possible.
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I was wondering the same thing, who sold you on saying they were smokeless?
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Mr. Maple, I'm not sure where you heard smokeless burn but the B-L is not even a gasser and even those are not truly smokeless, the B-L, as I am sure most folks who have them will tell you, burn pretty darn clean without being a gasser, I have run them myself at shows, they CAN be burned cleanly, if they were to smoke as badly as you say then I certainly would not have been allowed to burn mine at the 2014 logging expo in Richmond Va. if you are having this much problem with a B-L, I would truly not want to sell you a gasser for sure, some folks simply don't understand that burning wood is sometimes a bit of a challenge and if you wish to continue doing so, it might help if you were to take a bit more positive attitude about your stove, I am sorry you don't like its performance but perhaps it is not 100% on the boiler itself and a portion of your issues are self inflicted.
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Mr. Maple, I'm not sure where you heard smokeless burn but the B-L is not even a gasser and even those are not truly smokeless, the B-L, as I am sure most folks who have them will tell you, burn pretty darn clean without being a gasser, I have run them myself at shows, they CAN be burned cleanly, if they were to smoke as badly as you say then I certainly would not have been allowed to burn mine at the 2014 logging expo in Richmond Va. if you are having this much problem with a B-L, I would truly not want to sell you a gasser for sure, some folks simply don't understand that burning wood is sometimes a bit of a challenge and if you wish to continue doing so, it might help if you were to take a bit more positive attitude about your stove, I am sorry you don't like its performance but perhaps it is not 100% on the boiler itself and a portion of your issues are self inflicted.
Amen brother.
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That loops like steam to me. :thumbup:
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Mine sure works great, even if you had dry wood its gonna smoke just like a campfire does no way around that without it being a gasser. All the heavy smoke I get is from throwing green oak in with some of my wood when loading also maybe you should not load it till you can't get another stick in instead fill it half to 3/4 I always fill mine that way and get 12-14 hours and when I filled it full it gives me maybe an extra hour while piling up a crap load of ashes. For instance I filled it 3/4 full last night and the boiler was still half full this morning. I've burned around 5 cord this winter.
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I think there may be a bit of confusion here. The OP hasn't put up his pic yet. The "steamer" up there is someone else.
(is that a UFO in the upper right?) :o
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Possibly a govt. drone sent to check out the smoke. Ha ha
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I think there may be a bit of confusion here. The OP hasn't put up his pic yet. The "steamer" up there is someone else.
(is that a UFO in the upper right?) :o
Drag,,I'm lookin out the same window right now and don't see the space ship :o :o
We are not alone..... I'm going for the tin foil on the head,, so they can't read my mind ???
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We are not alone..... I'm going for the tin foil on the head,, so they can't read my mind ???
That chit works too!
(http://maxima.org/forums/images/smilies/6762cb63620a.gif) (http://maxima.org/forums/images/smilies/tinfoil2sj6.gif)
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great giff! (http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e212/kommandokenny/GreenGuy_1.gif)
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You guys crack me up! I think you have inhaled too much smoke... I mean "steam"....
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My son is hopefully going to get the pictures added here for me, not that great on computers. As far as " smokeless" goes, that is what my dealer claimed, though an owner of the same model furnace told me otherwise.P& M's website shows pictures of the Ultimizer and states in the pictures,using it as a campfire and no smoke coming out of the stack. http://www.portageandmainboilers.com/# (http://www.portageandmainboilers.com/#)!pm-ultimizer-series/c5zz
It is too cold here to tape and measure the square footage of the two houses, my point is that the old Empyre was rated for heating 8000 square feet, this one is rated for 15000 square feet.the Empyre I could load up with wood at night, had no problem holding the load until morning,even at -40 to -45 some nights. This furnace I cannot load before 9:00 p.m, or it will not last until morning, and it holds more wood than the Empyre. Thank God it has only gone down to -24 here so far.As I see in other posts about the 2840, I believe this furnace was simple overrated for how much it could do. At no time did I say this furnace was junk, on the contrary I find it burns much cleaner than the Empyre,less wood and less ashes. I am just totally disappointed in the claim for heating 15000 square feet, having to load it later at night to help it still be warm in the morning. I have tried suggestions from both Slim ,and Brian at P & M. I have cut the air down to 1/2, helped with the burn time somewhat, but slower to recover and more ashes stay in the furnace then since it is not working like a forge.
Another question was about upgrades to this furnace. It was built on Sunday, August3, yes Sunday it is stamped. It has the spacers between the bricks, as well as the catch for the front door.Again tonight i had to work from top and bottom to clear out between the bricks
On a final note, sorry if I have rubbed you the wrong way Slim, I don't feel my troubles are self-inflicted, I think that if this furnace held double the amount of water it would easily heat it, would easily heat 15000 square feet, and work much better for my situation. My maple syrup evaporator has a lot of firebrick in it, and works much on the same principal of holding the heat after it has been burning for an hour or so, I can burn through probably 25-30 cords of wood, and only remove 5 gallon pail of ash because everything has been used up so well.
I spoke with a neighbour tonight who had the same Empyre, now has the Heatmaster 1000e, told me it was a world of difference, used less wood, recovery times were better, and most importantly only loads every 12 hours, even on the weekend when I loaded 7 wheelbaroow loads, he only did two trips, also heating two large farmhouses. http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/brucel1/media/DSC_0601800x530.jpg.html?o=0 (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/brucel1/media/DSC_0601800x530.jpg.html?o=0) (Click next twice to see all three photo's)
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Maple ya got to turn off the app. in the photobucket that shares your portfolio.
I will check how I did it,,, and pm you
cheers kk
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http://support.photobucket.com/hc/en-us/articles/200723864-Album-Privacy-Settings-Explainedle (http://support.photobucket.com/hc/en-us/articles/200723864-Album-Privacy-Settings-Explainedle) go here
Then when you upload a photo go to the image and copy it then paste it into your forum reply.
edit library settings and check private at the above link :thumbup:
kk
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(http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/brucel1/DSC_0601800x530.jpg) come on people just rite click in the box " img "while u look at your pic ...and paste it and remove url crap..
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Your right of course!
And...He still needs to turn off his privacy app or we can access all his pictures.
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Still looks like steam?
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Absolutely looks like steam, Zoom in and look at just above the stack, notice that for about a foot over the stack it is perfectly clear, any moisture in the wood or condensation in the boiler will then appear as the exhaust cools and condenses. Mr Maple what you are seeing is condensation and not smoke period.
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Mine sure smells like smoke :o but I;m no expert
Learn something new everyday
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Well ya its gonna smell like smoke there is some mixed with the steam, but I bet if you burn in the summer like the picture on the portage and main website where they are using it as a campfire there won't be steam and and hardly any smoke. Heck look at the vent on a house when the furnace runs and check out the steam, and that's coming off of NG or propane and super clean burning but its condensing in the furnace or pulling air out of your house full of moisture.
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Father is a retired Physicist with AECL.
SAYS IT'S ALL STEAM [my own google page 8)
"no none rubbed off"
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Father is a retired Physicist with AECL.
SAYS IT'S ALL STEAM [my own google page 8)
"no none rubbed off"
:thumbup: lol