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[Homerglide]

Anyway, I thought it to be humorous that the XL appeared just prior to long bed making for one looooooonnnngg bed truck. I like my Ford products good enough. I've been fortunate enough to own one from just about every automaker and think they all do an acceptable job these days. Us old duffers remember the days without padded dashboards, seatbelts, galvanized sheetmetal, radial tires and such. These new ones sure have morphed from the past. Anyone ever had one fall over while using the stock ratcheting jack they all came with? Or off in the distance ya hear a thump, thump, thump coming your way and from experience know what's next.......Bang...Funny how folks would just keep going with their tube beating against the fender. And in the rust belt those big fenders would flap in the wind with bailing wire or a coat hanger keeping it tied to the rig..........

Yeah they all make a good enough product. Heated mirrors and seats, tv screens in the seats, talking maps and on and on..........

[Roger2561]

One of my older brothers owned a 73, 3/4 ton, 4x4 International pickup truck.  That thing was a tank and rode like it too with the strap springs and overload springs.  You couldn't kill that thing.  I remember when the fenders rotted away due to all of the winter salt and the way to fix it was to weld angle iron to it and fix it to anything in the vicinity that you could weld to.  Plus, if you had to work on the carb you simply crawled in to the engine compartment and made yourself comfortable.  There was plenty of room for you.  Try that with today's trucks...  Roger

[slimjim]

NICE my uncle had one!

[Jwood]

I'm not trying to start anything either but gm was in the trouble they were in due to what Bush did to the economy so I didn't mind them taking a little bailout money better than giving it to all them damn banks!

[Jwood]

I guess either way it happend I own a Chevy but if I were to buy a new one I would drive them all and purchase the one I felt gave me the most for MY money I wouldnt not buy a truck I liked just because of something the manufacturer had done in the past. I work way to had for my money. We are still friends Slim! 

[mlappin]

I'm not trying to start anything either but gm was in the trouble they were in due to what Bush did to the economy so I didn't mind them taking a little bailout money better than giving it to all them damn banks!

Um, 9/11 tanked the economy. Think what would have happened if the current administration was in power when that happened. He probably would have apologized to the terrorists families for starters.

If you don't think 9/11 played a huge part in the slowdown then you need to talk to some of the union guys around here that never worked steady again if they were laid off when it happened. A lot of huge projects are years in the making, when that happened a lot of those projects were put on hold indefinitely.

Ford didn't directly borrow money, but instead leveraged themselves in a somewhat risky way that would have bankrupted a lot of other companies if it didn't work. I got this from a friend who works for a major supplier to ford.

GM, government motors, took money that they will never pay back but they are building plants in China right now.

[Jwood]

You are right about 9/11 but that was definatly not the only reason it tanked it definitely got the ball rolling.

[Jwood]

GM paid back the money early the the government motors saying is because the government had 61% of stock shares, all which have been sold in December, I think it should also be noted that the bailout was to help preserve many thousands of jobs in an already troubled economy.

[Roger2561]

Guys, do me a favor;  I get enough political BS at work.  I come on here to get away from it.  Don't bring it here.  If you want to talk politics go somewhere else.  Thanks, Roger

[Jwood]

Roger that!

[Roger2561]

I'm sorry if I came across too strong.  It's my nature, it's the only way I know.  I think I got that from my dad - he was a no nonsense kind of guy.  Please guys, don't take it personally.  Roger

[jcc273]

Alot of folks around me use the 1 to 2 horse "buggy" models.  Cold in the winter and takes awhile to get you where your going, but gets the job done : ).  And they are the new hybrid models that run on hay ; ).

[slimjim]

Do they come equipped with the new backup camera?

[Roger2561]

Slimjim, if they do, don't get too close to get your picture taken.   

[mlappin]

GM paid back the money early the the government motors saying is because the government had 61% of stock shares, all which have been sold in December, I think it should also be noted that the bailout was to help preserve many thousands of jobs in an already troubled economy.

Is there a single airline in the country that hasn't declared bankruptcy at sometime in the past?

Yup, GM paid up, using other bailout money they hadn't used yet. The fed still owns 61% of em, yet they are building in china....I hadn't realized that everybody in this country that wanted a job had found one.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/general-motors-debt/

9/11 started the financial crisis, the housing bubble sealed the coffin.