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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification vs. Non Gassification

« on: January 18, 2012, 10:33:00 AM »

ok woodman.  A lot of good info.  thanks.  The reason I was looking at the 2100 is because it is considered commercial and does not fall under Indiana EPA guidelines so that would negate any selling house issues in the future or any laws that may come into play.  Also, everyone says go bigger rather than smaller.  I am at this point only going to be heating 1800 sq ft but am going to be adding a 3 bay 2 story garage in the future of at least 1800 sq ft bringing my roundabout total to 3600-4000 sq ft.  which is far below the 10000 rating of the 2100.  I just figured I wouldn't have any room to worry with the bigger unit. 

I sell firewood as a side job.  I have sold approx 15-17 cords so far this year.  I have access to a lot of wood that I can sell and even more than I can't sell but still burns well.  Wood is not an issue per say other than it will take away from my profits of selling.

I have no clue about any of the other OWB's you mentioned.  Why do you suggest them over the Hawken or Hardy?  I have pretty well eliminated the Shavers.  I don't like the idea of having to make a bunch of modifications to them to get them to work efficiently.  Thanks for your help guys.  I am soaking all of the info in so keep it coming if you have ideas or suggestions.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Slab Floor and OWB

« on: January 18, 2012, 10:21:58 AM »

I am referring to a slab floor with no crawl space or basement and no radiant heat.  I completely understand that there is not much we can do to make the floors warmer without radiant heat, carpet etc.  We have hardwood floors and the cold ground causes our slab to be cold.  My wife hates how cold our floors are.  She wants to know if the OWB will make the floors any warmer. 

My best answer to her was:  The warmer the inside temp is, the warmer the floors will be (even though they wont be nearly as warm as with radiat heat etc.)  In addition, we aren't going to find any warmer air than OWB air. 

Sorry for the long post but part of our problem is we have electric heat (which is the coldest) so my wife is keeping our house at 60 which is making our floors even colder.  Am I right in assuming that if we kept our house at say 75 with an OWB our floors would be warmer than keeping our house at 60 with electric heat?  I hope what I am asking makes sense.  Thanks

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification vs. Non Gassification

« on: January 18, 2012, 06:23:32 AM »

thanks martyinmi.  That post was helpful.  My local hawken dealer claims that the gassers are not much more efficient than the non gassers.  he says maybe 2 or 3 points which brings me to my first question.  What do the "points" transfer into laymens terms?  Second, why would he try to sell me a lower priced unit?  The hawken GX 10 is around 8 and the HE 2100 is around 7200 (quoted). Last, I've been told there is a lot more maintenance to gassers which kind of goes against what you were saying about less cleaning time.  What are your opinions on maintenance between the two?

 Thanks.  You all have been helpful. 

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification vs. Non Gassification

« on: January 18, 2012, 06:13:53 AM »

Thanks for the replies.  I have checked Indiana laws and the HE 2100 heats 350,000 BTU so its considered industrial/commercial and doesn't fall under the new epa guidelines.  It also heats 10k sq ft. whereas the GX 10 heats approximately 4000.  Why would anyone go with the GX 10 and sacrifice money and BTU/sq footage? I'm really leaning towards the 2100 but am still looking at Hardy H4 and Shaver 250.  I just can't seem to fork over the money for a CB.

I live in the country and sell firewood as a side job.  My neighbors don't care about smoke.  We all burn our trash in burn barrels so whats the need in a gassification OWB?  Any need?

What do you get for your wood and how far from Jennings county are you?

I sell oak (white and red), ash, cherry, walnut for $65 an 8 foot truck bed.  After its stacked, it is about 3/4 cord.  I'm not sure where Jennings county is.  I live 20 miles northeast of evansville in boonville. 

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Slab Floor and OWB

« on: January 18, 2012, 06:11:35 AM »

Is there anyone out there that has an OWB heating a house on slab floor?  Our slab house is cold (as expected) at the floor level. I want to find someone that has an OWB and a slab floor house to see if they can tell a difference in floor temperature.  I know this is difficult to judge since the "coldness" comes from the ground but i was curious if the OWB made any improvement in that area.  Thanks.

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Central Boiler / Re: Prices for Units?

« on: January 16, 2012, 01:31:26 PM »

I've checked our new EPA laws in Indiana and once dealers are sold out of old units, it is illegal to sell any non gas units.  I think buyers have til March to purchase one of the non gas models.

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Hardy / Re: h4 price

« on: January 16, 2012, 01:28:17 PM »

I was priced 5100 for the H4.  He only has 4-5 left.  When he sells out, the law states it is illegal to sell any non gassification stoves.  He's got em marked down to 5100 so he can move them out and not get stuck with them.  Other dealers may be in the same boat depending on where you are.  Check around for good deals.  Maybe order one in a state that has these new laws and have it shipped.  May be cheaper.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification vs. Non Gassification

« on: January 16, 2012, 01:24:56 PM »

Thanks for the replies.  I have checked Indiana laws and the HE 2100 heats 350,000 BTU so its considered industrial/commercial and doesn't fall under the new epa guidelines.  It also heats 10k sq ft. whereas the GX 10 heats approximately 4000.  Why would anyone go with the GX 10 and sacrifice money and BTU/sq footage? I'm really leaning towards the 2100 but am still looking at Hardy H4 and Shaver 250.  I just can't seem to fork over the money for a CB.

I live in the country and sell firewood as a side job.  My neighbors don't care about smoke.  We all burn our trash in burn barrels so whats the need in a gassification OWB?  Any need? 

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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: GX10

« on: January 16, 2012, 08:58:04 AM »

I am in the market for an OWB and I am looking at the Hawkens.  The dealer here suggested i go with the HE 2100 instead (non gassification) because the gassification OWB's are so new that he is leary of having all of the "bugs" worked out of them.  I wonder if that is the overall impression of the Phase II units across the OWB dealers?

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Central Boiler / Prices for Units?

« on: January 16, 2012, 08:53:55 AM »

I've been to the CB website and can't find prices or ratings for sq. footage for each OWB.  Can anyone help me out with that info?  My house is a 1700 sq ft two story on slab. I am building a two story 3 bay garage that will also need to be heated.  Which of the CB units would heat that sq footage and what are the prices?  Thanks

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Gassification vs. Non Gassification

« on: January 16, 2012, 08:04:10 AM »

Okay.  I get the gassification OWB's meet the new E.P.A standards and the old ones don't.  Other than that, whats the difference?  Are the gassification stoves more efficient, or vice versa?

It has been suggested by one company to buy the old OWB's because the new gassification OWB's haven't been around long enough to work the bugs out.  What are your thoughts.  I know I've asked a lot of questions but I'm trying to wade through all the information to make the best and most informed decision on which OWB to buy.

Thanks ahead of time for your help

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Taylor / Re: Taylor wood boilers

« on: January 13, 2012, 09:09:27 PM »

I'm in southern indiana and have heard bad things about taylor.  Any issues out there?  I'm looking to buy a Hawken HE 2100 out of Richland, Indiana or a Hardy H4 out of Evansville. Since you are from southern indiana-have you heard of either of these companies/dealers in southern indiana?

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Shaver Furnace / Re: Woodn't you know....

« on: January 13, 2012, 08:31:56 PM »

I sell firewood as a side job which is why I'm looking to buy an OWB but that's besides the point.  On topic, an 8ft full size truck bed level with the bed rails is about 2/3 of a cord.  I'm not trying to sell any wood (I can't keep up as it is) but I sell an 8 ft truck bed in Southern Indiana for 65 which is like I said about 2/3 cord.  Just offering an FYI when you buy in the future.

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Hardy / Likes and Dislikes of Hardy's

« on: January 13, 2012, 08:10:09 PM »

This is my first post to this forum.  I hope to find valuable legitimate information here, not "paid" information from furnace companies.  I have been researching OWB's and have narrowed my list down.  I was curious for those that had/have hardy's what your likes and dislikes are.  I've heard some compare OWB shopping like car shopping.  Most are pretty good but you have Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota guys that have their preference.  I would like somebody to sell me on the hardy versus some of the other brands.  Particulary the Shaver 250 and the Hawkin HE 2100 versus the Hardy H4.  Those are three that I am currently looking at.  I am looking for honest feedback on the pros and cons of each of the three of these.  Since this is a hardy thread, I only expect comments on the hardy but if you want to share experiences with the other 2 great.  I plan on posting on those threads as well.  Thanks ahead of time for your help.