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Advanced Electronics / Re: Anyone running an x300 for monitoring??
« on: November 06, 2017, 02:00:39 PM »
Awesome, let me know how it goes ralph
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Advanced Electronics / Re: Anyone running an x300 for monitoring??
« on: March 09, 2017, 12:33:58 PM »
I am still running my system, trouble free for 3+ yrs. The dyndns stuff got too frustrating to keep up so now I just access via my dynamic IP address. On my x300 factory interface you can set up alerts so you have have it email (or text) you when temps on specified sensors exceed the limits you specify. This has worked great for me in the past, mostly when burning crap wood. The past 2 years I actually burned good wood, and load properly each time I haven't had an alert in almost 2 years. My '05 CB5648 still going strong
My code is all here, feel free to use it, buy me a beer if you want. pm me
https://github.com/marsmith/x300-display
trickier part will be getting set up, I'll do my best to answer questions.
My code is all here, feel free to use it, buy me a beer if you want. pm me
https://github.com/marsmith/x300-display
trickier part will be getting set up, I'll do my best to answer questions.
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Advanced Electronics / Re: Temperature sensors
« on: December 15, 2016, 08:50:28 AM »
I'm definitely interested in an arduino/ raspberry pi custom solution sounds very cool to me. I took the 'easy' way out and use an x300 temp logger, some details in the other post. I just foil-taped my sensors to the copper (pex even in a couple cases) and wrapped with pipe insulation. Agree with everything RSI mentions. I think my temps are pretty spot on, maybe a tad low. There is no issue with lag as you mention. I see temps about 2 degrees cooler than my OWB display reads, but quite a bit of that (or all) is just heat loss from my pipe run.
I got my sensors on ebay, real cheap, they look like this:
I got my sensors on ebay, real cheap, they look like this:
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Electronics / Re: WiFi Thermostat to control Central Boiler
« on: February 17, 2016, 10:40:11 AM »
I want to chime in I went down this same road too (trying to eliminate second thermostat) and I also contacted Honeywell and was told no thermostats will do this. boilerman-- have you actually used one of these thermostats in this setup?
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Advanced Electronics / Re: Anyone running an x300 for monitoring??
« on: January 13, 2016, 06:13:54 PM »
Ralph I tried to PM you let me know if u received
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Advanced Electronics / Re: Anyone running an x300 for monitoring??
« on: January 13, 2016, 01:20:39 PM »
Ralph!!! i like the gages. I"m here, what do you need to know? Here is my current display (below). I went thru many iterations so let me know any specific questions to have. Your gage display will work fine for just reading the current xml values like you say, but you will run into a problem when trying to run the historical graphing with what you get out of the box. One thing I found the most useful was to track the last 5 historical values (polled every 30 seconds) to show the red or green arrows that indicate falling or rising temp. I do this with cookies in the browser.
The basic flaw with these units although otherwise fantastic and trouble free is that when the log file grows and grows it eventually becomes too large and slow to become readable. My solution was to pull the log.txt evey 5 mins, dump it in a database table then clear the log. Then the website here querys the database. I can lookup any day over the past 2 years.
The basic flaw with these units although otherwise fantastic and trouble free is that when the log file grows and grows it eventually becomes too large and slow to become readable. My solution was to pull the log.txt evey 5 mins, dump it in a database table then clear the log. Then the website here querys the database. I can lookup any day over the past 2 years.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Will the water be hotter...
« on: February 23, 2015, 08:22:00 AM »I take it your sensor is just on the PEX? Pex won't ever give a accurate reading of what your true water temp is coming in the house. You need something like a Sharkbite T with a temp gauge built into it. In my shop I have my temp sensors on copper pipe, with Arctic Silver on the sensor and pipe with pipe insulation covering all. Those temp sensors still read lower than the RANCO which is in a thermowell with arctic silver.
PEX is definitely tougher to get a good reading from but I have temp probes foil taped to PEX and then a couple layers of pipe insulation in my basement which I verified with an infrared thermometer and they are pretty much spot on. I drop 2-2.5 degrees from my boiler with 150' thermopex then about 40 1" copper in the basement (quite a bit of additional loss there). I also have one of those sharkbite gauges on my DHW pex hot line, and didn't find it to be any more or less accurate than my probes. I have another older copper T temp gauge that reads substantially low, but I think that is just a bad gauge. Just my experience
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Regulations / Re: Final EPA ruling
« on: February 10, 2015, 07:21:39 AM »
My gut reaction reading the new EPA ruling (which I knew was coming) was... "Well, I hope I get quite a few more years out of my conventional boiler." Gonna have to get a good welder on call! My previous thoughts were that the new regulations were actually a step in the right direction towards reducing pollution-- But I think you guys make some excellent points here. There has to be bigger fish to fry than the proportionally miniscule population of outdoor wood furnace owners.
What worries me most is the 2020 regulation. I mean, we are bitchin' about phase 2 standards, in 2020 they'll have to be 3X less polluting!
What do you guys honestly think the ENFORCEMENT of these new regulations will be like?
What worries me most is the 2020 regulation. I mean, we are bitchin' about phase 2 standards, in 2020 they'll have to be 3X less polluting!
What do you guys honestly think the ENFORCEMENT of these new regulations will be like?
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Plumbing / Re: Basic plumbing setup
« on: January 02, 2015, 07:39:16 AM »
It seems like dropping 6-8 degrees with 65' is way too much. I'm wondering if you are getting bad temp readings.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Hydronic heat clothes dryer upgrade?
« on: December 29, 2014, 12:12:34 PM »
There is a reason that hot air goes outside, its wet and will cause moisture issues blowing it into your house
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Fire Wood / Re: Any Tricks to Burning Green Wood
« on: December 29, 2014, 08:04:17 AM »
Good idea about green in back, I'm gonna try this too
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Plumbing / Re: Hooking up my new system
« on: December 09, 2013, 01:35:18 PM »One of my concerns is the heat generated off the plate exchanger. It along with the hot water tank, and deep freezer are located in the same small unheated room that my lines come through the block wall from my boiler. So I believe, but don't have any experience with a plate exchanger, just how much heat will there be, trying to keep my deep freezer in a cooler room which this one is in the winter time.....it's my old storage area for 1/2 cord of firewood that I feed to my indoor Brunco furnace. Never thought about a box of Styrofoam. This small unheated room is just 4' thru a door, from my old furnace, where my HX will be in the plenum.
My furnace/ hot water heater area is pretty hot when the furnaces are going. Theres a lot of exposed copper radiating heat. That said, if you insulated real well you should be fine. Which would be a double advantage for you.
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Plumbing / Re: Hooking up my new system
« on: December 09, 2013, 12:52:31 PM »Marty,
I will use the tank after the exchanger for storage.
What's the best way to fasten up a plate exchanger for support other than the lines?
on the pumps...
That goes to show you what my CB dealer knew about hooking these up, lol....I shot all kinds of holes in there hookup estimate so far.
Tank after exchanger will work well if you have a lot of hot water use (otherwise water in storage will be cooling). Otherwise you may get hotter water from directly plumbed on-demand setup.
I've seen some pictures on here-- I think people generally mount them vertically and strap them to a wall. Also people seem to pack them in rigid foam insulation.
I recently added my finished basement garage loop which was an additional 150' of 3/4" pex and 10' of head and my 011 handles all of it. an 011 would probably be fine but I don't think the bigger pump would hurt. I actually plan on getting the 2400-20-WB and replacing my 011 with it, and keeping my 011 as backup. I think I'll get a bit less heat loss with that pump.
Here is my diagram:
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Plumbing / Re: Hooking up my new system
« on: December 09, 2013, 12:32:16 PM »Separate line to the garage 40' away.
I plan on making it so I can service the HX in the plenum for cleaning purposes, so all I would need is unions in the copper lines next to the exchanger and I also want to be able to bypass it when the weather is warm for a 2 day stretch?
I should have mentioned I have a Taco 007 on the line to the garage and bought the new Taco 2400-20-WB for the house loop......but is it too much pump?? I just can't trust salesmen any more....that's why I find myself in this predicament....had 2 007's ready to hookup and then went to reading and made a call to order the exchangers....good money after bad???
Right just use unions. Also plumb in a bypass for each applicance. For a bypass you just need shutoffs on supply and return and a shutoff on the bypass leg.
The Taco 007 can only do 10' of head. all fittings and pipe length add to your head (plus your 6-8' of rise) so that may be just about enough for your garage loop but its close. I'd say the 2400-20-wb would be good, from everything I've read the faster the water moves the better. The Taco 007 defintitely is not close to enough for your house loop. Again wait for someone smarter than me
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Plumbing / Re: Hooking up my new system
« on: December 09, 2013, 11:51:08 AM »
Your setup is very similar to mine, I have a 5648 (older equivalent to 6048) with 130' 1 1/4 thermopex. I inherited the system so didn't do it myself but my supply and returns run into 4 port 1 1/4 to 3/4" headers. Not many people use the header/manifold setup that I've heard about. I am running 2 furnace HX, sidearm HX on 50 gal tank, and a a basement baseboard and 50k BTU garage heater with no problems. My pump is a Taco 011.
Did you plan on using your 50 gal tank for storage before or after the 20 plate? I've read about people doing both. Alternatively you can just use the 20 plate without plumbing in your tank, in an "on-demand" setup-- lots of people do that too.
As far as best way to plumb just make sure you plumb in bypasses for everything so you can isolate the 'appliances' if they need serviced. Generally you want your domestic hot water to have your hottest supply so plumbed boiler -> 20 plate ->furnace -> garage -> return. I'm not a pump expert but you'll want at LEAST a taco 011, prefereably 013 or 2400-20-WB. Someone with more knowledge might have better pump suggestions
Is your garage going to have a seperate run from the boiler or in line with the rest?
Did you plan on using your 50 gal tank for storage before or after the 20 plate? I've read about people doing both. Alternatively you can just use the 20 plate without plumbing in your tank, in an "on-demand" setup-- lots of people do that too.
As far as best way to plumb just make sure you plumb in bypasses for everything so you can isolate the 'appliances' if they need serviced. Generally you want your domestic hot water to have your hottest supply so plumbed boiler -> 20 plate ->furnace -> garage -> return. I'm not a pump expert but you'll want at LEAST a taco 011, prefereably 013 or 2400-20-WB. Someone with more knowledge might have better pump suggestions
Is your garage going to have a seperate run from the boiler or in line with the rest?
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