Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: MD20/20 on March 14, 2018, 09:04:32 PM
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What the hell happened to this site...it has no traffic, only a few experts and mostly Heatmaster discussions.
It used to be fun to read every day.
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Yes, we need more input from everyone.
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Slow sales? Shoulder season?
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Dick's not here to start drama anymore perhaps? I was thinking the same thing lately. May just be the shoulder season, everyone is getting ready for spring cleaning and whatnot instead of playing with boilers. Give it a couple months, should be in full swing again when everyone is prepping for the cold ahead
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Actually has been slow for a few months far as legitimate new members signing up. Still getting a metric butt ton of spammers but I’ve only been approving maybe one new member a week if that many.
Ton of boiler sights on Facebook now, I usually avoid those as too much drama.
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I just checked out a Facebook site and you're right...a lot of whining over there!
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I just checked out a Facebook site and you're right...a lot of whining over there!
Depends which one it is, a few anything goes, another tolerates zero bullcrap.
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check out he FB group : OUTDOOR WOOD BOILER HYDRONIC HEAT! Zero bullcrap tolerated. no biased, no drama.
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I shut down my facebook a couple weeks ago. It feels good.
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Yeah it seems a little slower lately. I will make a effort to post or reply a little more.
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let slim back in :) ;) :D >:( :o 8) ::) >:D :thumbup:
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I can't wait for winter to be over. I'm sick of filling my stove, I still check in here daily though...
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Heating seasons winding down. Im sure many have moved on to spring/summer projects. After tending to the stove since october I must admit I'm looking forward to shutting it down myself.
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I am still here 😳, i am still burning. I burn all year round for the most part , every thing is working perfectly foy me. I check in almost every day !
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Well for what it's worth I would like to say THANKS to those who offer their time to help out the less knowledgeable on the subject. You guys have helped me out a ton and I've learned a lot from you, especially reading about other peoples' problems and solutions. 3 months in on my install, 70% complete. Gonna have a beer when this is done and I don't drink.
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Well for what it's worth I would like to say THANKS to those who offer their time to help out the less knowledgeable on the subject. You guys have helped me out a ton and I've learned a lot from you, especially reading about other peoples' problems and solutions. 3 months in on my install, 70% complete. Gonna have a beer when this is done and I don't drink.
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Well for what it's worth I would like to say THANKS to those who offer their time to help out the less knowledgeable on the subject. You guys have helped me out a ton and I've learned a lot from you, especially reading about other peoples' problems and solutions. 3 months in on my install, 70% complete. Gonna have a beer when this is done and I don't drink.
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I agree. I read for years before joining. A wealth of information all there for free. Thanks to who all posted over the years.
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I wish spring would show up here in New England. The weather has been chilly say nothing for the 2 Nor'Easters we received over the past couple of weeks. We may even get another one early this week. The temps over the weekend are not to get out of the lower 20's F during the day and single digits overnight with a 10 to 20MPH wind from the north. I'm itching get my motorcycle out storage but the bike is in the storage shed buried under snow. It's funny, in the fall I can't wait for the day to arrive to get the OWB fired up but come spring I look forward to the day I can shut her down. Roger
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I’m not one to comment often(on any site I visit), but do check in regularly and enjoy this site.
Like Roger, my mind is usually on motorcycles and motorcycle forums this time of year. Cold weather and two feet of snow on the ground has kept my mind on wood burning this year. ;)
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I'm itching get my motorcycle out storage but the bike is in the storage shed buried under snow. It's funny, in the fall I can't wait for the day to arrive to get the OWB fired up but come spring I look forward to the day I can shut her down. Roger
I had both bikes in my walkout basement for the winter. Bought the new one last spring and had the old one for sale since, got literally 2 calls in 11 months (asking too much, didn't want to part with it lol) but some guy called the other day wanting to take a look. Drove 5 hours to look, wanted to buy it for full price! So then we had to wrestle it out of the basement which wasn't awful, but let me tell you- a 250 series tire has NO traction on hard crusty snow. There's 40 feet of lawn between my basement door and driveway, now covered in 8" of snow, and that was quite a feat. Me playing the clutch and him pushing we still wasted at least 5 minutes getting there haha
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wreckit - Last season at this time it was warm so I was riding already. It'll be a bit before I can get her into my work shop and service her for the season. I always baby my equipment so every fall as part of putting her up for the winter she gets new oil and oil filter regardless of mileage, gotta get the toxins out of the motor.
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It's a different kinda forum you post get 729 veiws maybe 2 replys
I think Facebook is just a virus . I won't go there. Maybe everyone just to busy. ... I posted alot in last 6 months about burning slabs ..everyone should have too much details there. lol I will be finishing Brothers boiler install this summer I will add those details ..lot of drama there installing 1 copper underground insul seal pipe. Otherwise there is great people in here.
Heat550
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I have never had anything but positive interactions with members of this site.
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If this site could update to something a little more "modern" looking might help. I'm a believer in something like this where info is stored and searchable later. But it is kinda old in appearance. I think Marty said updating would be quite a challenge.
But I'm not heading to FB.
Keep posting heat550, I'd like to see the copper underground running.
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I’m fairly new to this site and I still check in weekly. I too enjoy this site.
I frequent a maple forum that is hammering with activity this time of year and then drops off in the summer months
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What the hell happened to this site...it has no traffic, only a few experts and mostly Heatmaster discussions.
It used to be fun to read every day.
We could get Warren to check in? He could try to sell us his treatment or maybe gather some new email addresses????
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What the hell happened to this site...it has no traffic, only a few experts and mostly Heatmaster discussions.
It used to be fun to read every day.
We could get Warren to check in? He could try to sell us his treatment or maybe gather some new email addresses????
Hahahahaha! Or maybe brag about how he wrote the new EPA regs that ultimately put him out of business, perhaps try to peddle his illegal leftover stock to some poor unsuspecting shmuck? I haven't heard him tell me how he's the leading hydronic heating expert in the world lately (true story by the way, he totally said that).
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I brought home my 9th trailer load of firewood today for this heating season. My dad owns a small tree company and keeps the wood at his house. I go over there, cut it up with his saws, split it with his splitter, toss it into his 5x10 dump trailer with 4' sides (200 cu ft), drag it home, and dump it on my gravel spot in front of the boiler. A thrown cord is 180 cu ft vs a stacked cord being 128 cu ft, so nine 200 cu ft loads equals 1800 cu ft of thrown firewood, which is exactly 10 cords for the season. This load will take me into April. If it's still cold after that, I'll use some propane for the cold nights. I started burning earlier this year and I'm burning later, too. 10 cords for the season isn't half bad. :thumbup:
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I'm staying away from the FB site, it's becoming too toxic for my taste. I check this site everyday to see if anyone has anything new to say. I've learned so much from this site that I hope it doesn't disappear. Roger
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If this site could update to something a little more "modern" looking might help. I'm a believer in something like this where info is stored and searchable later. But it is kinda old in appearance. I think Marty said updating would be quite a challenge.
But I'm not heading to FB.
Keep posting heat550, I'd like to see the copper underground running.
I kind of disagree...
I check 8 forums multiple times a day and this is my favorite one to check because it's the fastest loading one. No bandwidth sucking ads, and not a bunch of graphics.
I even like the color!
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If this site could update to something a little more "modern" looking might help. I'm a believer in something like this where info is stored and searchable later. But it is kinda old in appearance. I think Marty said updating would be quite a challenge.
But I'm not heading to FB.
Keep posting heat550, I'd like to see the copper underground running.
I kind of disagree...
I check 8 forums multiple times a day and this is my favorite one to check because it's the fastest loading one. No bandwidth sucking ads, and not a bunch of graphics.
I even like the color!
Good point. I do like the lack of clutter. And there's a lot of good people on here.
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I am loyal to this site. I have never been on any other one and no plans to 😊 i am not on Facebook either
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If this site could update to something a little more "modern" looking might help. I'm a believer in something like this where info is stored and searchable later. But it is kinda old in appearance. I think Marty said updating would be quite a challenge.
But I'm not heading to FB.
Keep posting heat550, I'd like to see the copper underground running.
I kind of disagree...
I check 8 forums multiple times a day and this is my favorite one to check because it's the fastest loading one. No bandwidth sucking ads, and not a bunch of graphics.
I even like the color!
Good point. I do like the lack of clutter. And there's a lot of good people on here.
:post: X2!!
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I check this forum daily. I don't comment much anymore. Most of you guys get to the solution pretty quickly. There are a couple FB groups I follow. I'm sure they have taken a lot of the traffic. If you are missing Slim, don't worry. He's still out there on the FB groups (that he hasn't been banned from,) complaining about the same things.
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I am much the same. On here every day, sometimes multiple times a day to see what's happening. Not a guy to respond to every thread unless I have something to add or help with. Also I watch a couple of the Facebook groups as most of the traffic seems to have gone there, and I used to be on the outdoor wood boilers site that is no longer.
I will say that I have no real information about the disagreement between Slim and Heatmaster. There's always 3 sides to any story, side 1, side 2 and the real truth. I'm not picking sides here, but I do usually pick the underdog.
Slim not being here is the reason for this site being as quiet as it is. The guy went above and beyond for the members here, responding to any problems you had or a simple question regardless of brand.
But that's how it goes I guess, time changes things. Been on here a while and seen other contributing members leave or stop posting, and though I never got to meet them in person, always considered them as a friend.
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One thing I learned as a youngster with many siblings (2 sisters and 6 brothers) is you learn how to ignore the negativity at a young age. I've read the bashing of one manufacturer over another by some people in this forum but I can ignore it because I value the information they share on this forum (people who know a heck of a lot more than I do) for free. Do some people go over board? You bet they do, but again I can overlook that, I'm looking at the info they share. My dad used to tell us kids that if a dog starts to bark, let him/her (I have be inclusive :) ), the barking will eventually die down. But if you keep yelling at it, it'll bark even more for a longer period time; people are no different.
Well, I'm at work and the boss expects me to accomplish something today (the audacity!) so I gotta get to work. Roger
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Slim not being here is the reason for this site being as quiet as it is. The guy went above and beyond for the members here, responding to any problems you had or a simple question regardless of brand.
True that, but attacking other members won’t be tolerated no matter the attacker or the recipient.
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One thing I learned as a youngster with many siblings (2 sisters and 6 brothers) is you learn how to ignore the negativity at a young age. I've read the bashing of one manufacturer over another by some people in this forum but I can ignore it because I value the information they share on this forum (people who know a heck of a lot more than I do) for free. Do some people go over board? You bet they do, but again I can overlook that, I'm looking at the info they share. My dad used to tell us kids that if a dog starts to bark, let him/her (I have be inclusive :) ), the barking will eventually die down. But if you keep yelling at it, it'll bark even more for a longer period time; people are no different.
Good advice Roger! :)
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I've been a member here for a while, but I must have missed this Slim guy.
Internet drama... :bash:
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I check in daily, and the great thing about this site compared to other forums is the lack of clutter, BS is not tolerated, and if us members don't have something to contribute, then they don't comment.
That is a huge peeve of mine when I'm researching something, and get useless responses, which I equate to the IT guy asking if your computer is plugged in.
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I check in daily, and the great thing about this site compared to other forums is the lack of clutter, BS is not tolerated, and if us members don't have something to contribute, then they don't comment.
That is a huge peeve of mine when I'm researching something, and get useless responses, which I equate to the IT guy asking if your computer is plugged in.
As someone who works with a bunch of people with Phd's, you'd be surprised to learn that the problems most of them experience in their offices or in the classroom is that the device they are trying to use is not plugged in. Technicians are taught to look for the problem from the outside in, the engineer immediately goes to the internal parts looking for a problem when all they had to do was plug it in. :) Roger
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While not a PhD, I once had a technician flown in from Vienna,Austria to what was then Czechoslovakia only to be shown the machine needed to be plugged in...very embarrassing!
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But, I also keep in the back of my mind that one of the very first courses that's taught is called Engineering Sciences 1 (ES01). It essentially teaches the students what screwdrivers, wrenches, wire cutters, etc... are. The students who come from rural America have no trouble with the class, but those from the city or from families of privilege, all I can say is WOW! The vast majority of the students are incredibly book smart but have no real world experiences. I was taught at a very young age the different screwdrivers, wrenches, etc... and their proper application. Roger
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But, I also keep in the back of my mind that one of the very first courses that's taught is called Engineering Sciences 1 (ES01). It essentially teaches the students what screwdrivers, wrenches, wire cutters, etc... are. The students who come from rural America have no trouble with the class, but those from the city or from families of privilege, all I can say is WOW! The vast majority of the students are incredibly book smart but have no real world experiences. I was taught at a very young age the different screwdrivers, wrenches, etc... and their proper application. Roger
I have an uncle that grew up on the farm, then went and got what little common sense he had educated right out of him at college. He worked at Ford as an engineer for ten years or better, then went to work at an Aerospace firm, maybe Bell Helicopter? Then went to Sikorsky for awhile, if his left nut and life depends on it, he couldn’t change a flat tire.
What make and model was that engine that some incredibly stupid engineer decided that under the intake manifold was a good place for the starter?
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But, I also keep in the back of my mind that one of the very first courses that's taught is called Engineering Sciences 1 (ES01). It essentially teaches the students what screwdrivers, wrenches, wire cutters, etc... are. The students who come from rural America have no trouble with the class, but those from the city or from families of privilege, all I can say is WOW! The vast majority of the students are incredibly book smart but have no real world experiences. I was taught at a very young age the different screwdrivers, wrenches, etc... and their proper application. Roger
I have an uncle that grew up on the farm, then went and got what little common sense he had educated right out of him at college. He worked at Ford as an engineer for ten years or better, then went to work at an Aerospace firm, maybe Bell Helicopter? Then went to Sikorsky for awhile, if his left nut and life depends on it, he couldn’t change a flat tire.
What make and model was that engine that some incredibly stupid engineer decided that under the intake manifold was a good place for the starter?
I have a distant cousin that way too. Grew up on the farm, went off to fancy college for a few years and came back home while deciding what to do with himself. Went out one morning to see he had a flat tire so the old man told him to fill it up because he was busy in the barn. 20 minutes later he wanders back in the barn complaining that his car is bouncing all over hell. So the old man jumps in and immediately notices the right front (which was the flat one) is hopping like mad. Pulls in the shop and grabs a gauge, Ryan had 100lbs of air in it lol. Just kept filling til the compressor stopped, had no idea.
Also the Olds Aurora had the starter under the intake with their 4.0L V8
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Far as slow traffic to the site, I’ve not approved near the people the last 6 months as normal. Still think the proliferation of Facebook groups plays a part in it. Especially if they are open groups, immediate posting privileges to go along with the now now now mentality of people.
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But, I also keep in the back of my mind that one of the very first courses that's taught is called Engineering Sciences 1 (ES01). It essentially teaches the students what screwdrivers, wrenches, wire cutters, etc... are. The students who come from rural America have no trouble with the class, but those from the city or from families of privilege, all I can say is WOW! The vast majority of the students are incredibly book smart but have no real world experiences. I was taught at a very young age the different screwdrivers, wrenches, etc... and their proper application. Roger
I have an uncle that grew up on the farm, then went and got what little common sense he had educated right out of him at college. He worked at Ford as an engineer for ten years or better, then went to work at an Aerospace firm, maybe Bell Helicopter? Then went to Sikorsky for awhile, if his left nut and life depends on it, he couldn’t change a flat tire.
What make and model was that engine that some incredibly stupid engineer decided that under the intake manifold was a good place for the starter?
90's cadillac Northstar engines also played hide the starter.
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Well after everyone figures out Facebook is a Total steel all your info contacts and who knows what of all your data more people might be back to this forum . Do a Facebook download archive and just see all the data that they peeled out of your cell phone. It's crazy .. I just did mine tonight Facebook even had my Google calendar entrys... It's crazyer then most people think..
Heat550
Facebook has always been a virus .lol
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Another possible reason... Many of the fake accounts that are still active link to spammy sites or websites that Google does not index due to the content they peddle. It has been proven that Google gives an SEO penalty to websites that link to sites like these especially if they aren't using a nofollow link. In addition, other forums utilize many other organic SEO techniques to rank higher in Google i.e. keywords in the thread URLs instead of just topic=9603.0 etc. Basically what I'm saying is that due to other forums i.e. forestry forum, hearth and many more outranking it on Google in many cases, potential new members are perhaps not being drawn in through those channels anymore.
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I think a lot of people speak with their silence. I don't visit this site much anymore. I don't need to read about how much one person here knows it all and continually argues with other members. He also makes snide remarks about other members (2 in this thread alone) who have been especially helpful with more people than the number of posts he has run up in a short time. Wisdom is knowing when to keep quiet.
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But, I also keep in the back of my mind that one of the very first courses that's taught is called Engineering Sciences 1 (ES01). It essentially teaches the students what screwdrivers, wrenches, wire cutters, etc... are. The students who come from rural America have no trouble with the class, but those from the city or from families of privilege, all I can say is WOW! The vast majority of the students are incredibly book smart but have no real world experiences. I was taught at a very young age the different screwdrivers, wrenches, etc... and their proper application. Roger
I have an uncle that grew up on the farm, then went and got what little common sense he had educated right out of him at college. He worked at Ford as an engineer for ten years or better, then went to work at an Aerospace firm, maybe Bell Helicopter? Then went to Sikorsky for awhile, if his left nut and life depends on it, he couldn’t change a flat tire.
What make and model was that engine that some incredibly stupid engineer decided that under the intake manifold was a good place for the starter?
I have a distant cousin that way too. Grew up on the farm, went off to fancy college for a few years and came back home while deciding what to do with himself. Went out one morning to see he had a flat tire so the old man told him to fill it up because he was busy in the barn. 20 minutes later he wanders back in the barn complaining that his car is bouncing all over hell. So the old man jumps in and immediately notices the right front (which was the flat one) is hopping like mad. Pulls in the shop and grabs a gauge, Ryan had 100lbs of air in it lol. Just kept filling til the compressor stopped, had no idea.
Also the Olds Aurora had the starter under the intake with their 4.0L V8
Wreckit - That story reminds of the time we got a new co-worker from a Chevy dealer who was a mechanic. One day an older feller stopped by complaining about the new tires they put on his car. He said he couldn't control it, it was all over road. So the mechanic took the car out for a quick spin and he could hardly keep it on the road. He went back to the shop and checked air pressure; over 80 pounds in each tire. When the mechanic asked why he put in so much air, he said when he got it the tires were half flat. It was the first time the older feller had any contact with radial tires. :) Roger
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I think a lot of people speak with their silence. I don't visit this site much anymore. I don't need to read about how much one person here knows it all and continually argues with other members. He also makes snide remarks about other members (2 in this thread alone) who have been especially helpful with more people than the number of posts he has run up in a short time. Wisdom is knowing when to keep quiet.
Odd that the guy whining about snide remarks is using his only addition to make snide remarks ain't it? If ya got something to say go ahead and say it. I'd love to see where this jerk argued with anyone at all, much less continually. Perhaps the Thermopex guy that was/is wrong? Sorry you're upset with people who would rather see the truth on a public forum than some bottomless claim from some random person
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One thing I learned as a youngster with many siblings (2 sisters and 6 brothers) is you learn how to ignore the negativity at a young age. I've read the bashing of one manufacturer over another by some people in this forum but I can ignore it because I value the information they share on this forum (people who know a heck of a lot more than I do) for free. Do some people go over board? You bet they do, but again I can overlook that, I'm looking at the info they share. My dad used to tell us kids that if a dog starts to bark, let him/her (I have be inclusive :) ), the barking will eventually die down. But if you keep yelling at it, it'll bark even more for a longer period time; people are no different.
Well, I'm at work and the boss expects me to accomplish something today (the audacity!) so I gotta get to work. Roger
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I still very much enjoy this site. Keep the wisdom coming, it's how I learn.