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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: wreckit87 on December 17, 2017, 10:48:29 AM
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So we had our first of several family Christmas gatherings yesterday with my immediate family. My brother and myself are both kidless and plan to keep it that way, but our sister has got 3 little boys 6,4, and 8 months. They had conception issues and whatnot so the kids were a great blessing for them, but they are fairly spoiled and get most anything they want with very little discipline. They can be polite when they want to be, but often times they are super rude and will NOT listen to anyone besides their parents. Well anyway, yesterday I got them each some gifts, my girlfriend got them some too, and they had to be reminded to say thank you at which point all they did was look at us for a second and take off. Whatever, it happens sometimes. Well my dad goes and buys these twerps a $2000 snowmobile and gives it to them. Anybody familiar with a Yamaha Sno-Scoot knows these things are a death trap for even a responsible kid much less one who only looks around to see who's watching instead of where he's going. These things go 40 mph and get there in a hurry. So the older one is tearing around the yard wide open and paying zero attention where he's going, so my dad tapes a block of wood behind the throttle to slow it down to 20 or so and the kid lost his mind. Went on a total rampage about how it's not fair and it's not fast enough, etc. Tore my parents' house apart with his tantrum, screaming his head off, so I just asked if he thought Grandpa should take it back to the store since it's too slow, and my sister comes unglued. Called me every name in the book and gave me the whole "when you have kids you can discipline them how you want to but you will never talk to my kids that way" bit, over a simple question. Well fast forward an hour his tantrum is over and I'm still pissed but okay, the little bastard has the audacity to have another fit that he didn't get enough presents. If that were my kid I'd light all his gifts on fire, but their response was that there will be more at the other Grandma's and more again when Santa comes, etc. I had to leave the room. Maybe I'm nuts because I don't have kids of my own, but that seems just plain rude and I kind of want to punch him in his rude little face. My girlfriend is super passive and LOVES kids, but when we got in the car to leave she lost her crap about this too, so I'm not alone. What do y'all parents think about it?
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OK so I've been a member here for probably two years and I've been reading all the posts and learning a great deal of information that I am grateful for but this post I couldn't let it go without replying this is what's wrong with the world today ungrateful people who don't appreciate anything and it's only getting worse I am on your team on this one sounds to me like there are some young ones there that need to be taught a lesson maybe a trip out behind the woodshed would straighten them out
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Perfect example of not enough ass crackin and the parents allowing their kids to believe that rules don’t apply to them because they are the most special little craps in the world.
Not sure if the wife’s niece will be speaking to me or not next time I see her, they have a 6 year spoiled brat that literally decides where they go, what they eat, etc etc. I pissed her off good last time when I told her out of the roughly 350,000 children born daily worldwide that her’s being the most special little crap in the world is highly unlikely.
No children here, wife has congenital heart defects, some people’s kids though make me want to do my own vasectomy with a chainsaw just to be safe.
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Perfect example of not enough ass crackin and the parents allowing their kids to believe that rules don’t apply to them because they are the most special little craps in the world.
Not sure if the wife’s niece will be speaking to me or not next time I see her, they have a 6 year spoiled brat that literally decides where they go, what they eat, etc etc. I pissed her off good last time when I told her out of the roughly 350,000 children born daily worldwide that her’s being the most special little crap in the world is highly unlikely.
No children here, wife has congenital heart defects, some people’s kids though make me want to do my own vasectomy with a chainsaw just to be safe.
:post: :o Okay, that made me cringe. But, it's amazing, sick, how many kids run the family not the parents.
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These kids have six Power Wheels cars in their garage. SIX. It's so full of toys that the folks have to park outside. 2 little fourwheelers, now 2 little snowmobiles (dad bought the other one too), 2 fullsize trampolines, a big ass pool, all for two toddlers. I knew they were spoiled but yesterday's tantrum showed me the true colors of what's going on. I hate to blame the poor kid because I know it's not necessarily his fault, but holy crap. What's he gonna be like as a teenager? Yikes
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Your not alone!
I have two brothers. One lives near me out here in the country with 3 kids and the other in the burbs with 2. Country kids have been great the whole time, no issues. The city kids, not so much. One Christmas a few years ago I caught them being up to no good and thought I'll fix this. My warnings got me the old " your not my daddy" and a look that could kill from the oldest one. Sooooo, a good swat to the backside she got, and the tears and squealing, unbelievable.
Anyways I thought I overstepped my boundaries, but someone had to teach them some respect. Well my brother and SIL thanked me, neither one of the 2 nieces forgot this life lesson and have been so polite since it's amazing.
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Your not alone!
I have two brothers. One lives near me out here in the country with 3 kids and the other in the burbs with 2. Country kids have been great the whole time, no issues. The city kids, not so much. One Christmas a few years ago I caught them being up to no good and thought I'll fix this. My warnings got me the old " your not my daddy" and a look that could kill from the oldest one. Sooooo, a good swat to the backside she got, and the tears and squealing, unbelievable.
Anyways I thought I overstepped my boundaries, but someone had to teach them some respect. Well my brother and SIL thanked me, neither one of the 2 nieces forgot this life lesson and have been so polite since it's amazing.
Not so hard to believe actually when the schools tell the kids to call the cops on their parents if they get spanked.
I got spankings in school, then again when I got home, I never ever thought as a child to threaten mom and dad with calling the police, sure as hell never threw a tantrum in a store because I didn’t get what I wanted.
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To me it's hard to blame the kids because of the parents failures in teaching right from wrong. This starts at an early age. Some of these younger parents are of the " entitled" generation, so the kids don't have a chance anyway.
They should watch Jeff Fowworthy. " My Mom was great, my Dad was great, I'm just a s#!thead!"
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Ya, its more than likely a parenting issue more than anything. The kids are just doing what they've been conditioned to do. If something don't go your way, throw a fit and you get what you want. Hopefully mom and dad turn things around before its too late. If not, those kids will be in for a real rude awakening when they reach adulthood.
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She's got this mindset that she's "emotionally scarred for life" from the 2 spankings she got when she was 4 and would NEVER abuse her kids like that. The line between discipline and abuse apparently isn't her vocabulary, so anything more than a 30 second timeout is cruel in her book. Half the time even if they do get a timeout, they act like they didn't hear it and ignore them anyway. I guess I was raised in a place where if you break the rules or don't do as you're told, there will be repercussions which usually meant an asskicking. Nobody likes an asskicking, so believe it or not, it keeps some of us from being pricks. Dad spanked one of her boys 2 years ago (well deserved, mind you) and she lost her marbles at him and then literally didn't look at him for 6 months until she needed something from him. She's a manipulative asshole, maybe there is no saving the poor kids
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She's got this mindset that she's "emotionally scarred for life" from the 2 spankings she got when she was 4 and would NEVER abuse her kids like that. The line between discipline and abuse apparently isn't her vocabulary, so anything more than a 30 second timeout is cruel in her book.
snowflake….
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And, the mindset will be like those UCLA basketball players who got caught stealing in China; now, the father (I'm not calling him a dad for a reason) is stating that the kids were "made" to apologize. When I was a kid I never had to be told to apologize to anyone, it's something we were taught at a young age. It's the mentality of the father that's doing a huge disservice to the kids. Don't get me started on customer service with the young people at store, restaurants, etc... they do not know how to say "Thank you" or "You're welcome".
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It gives "normal" kids a big advantage when some people create little monsters that turn into obnoxious adults...so keep raising little knuckleheads so mine look better to the world!
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Oh geez don't even get me started on manners. I was born and raised out in the sticks, never spent any time with the "city kids" nor do I care to as an adult because they're mostly assholes. As a foreman for my company (which is located near the capitol, big city work) I tend to deal with a lot of what I like to call Yuppies. There are very few "farm" type folk that work in the city trades because it's a 1-2 hour drive each way every day, so it's mostly local yuppies on site. Everybody has the "F you" attitude and will NOT coordinate with other trades so we can all coexist in a space, so it's a neverending battle. Pretty regularly I have guys just not show up for a day or two with no call, no text, nothing so when they come back I gotta ask where they were and the response is usually "I didn't feel good" or something, so when I point out that they need to call and let me know they're not coming in, then they get pissed and act like I'm encroaching on their personal lives by asking to be informed when they're not coming to work. Very few will offer to help with emergency jobs or weekend work (which is doubletime), it's almost impossible to get good help. I try to be soft and easy to get along with, but when they treat me like a pushover it gets ugly. And these are usually people in their 40's that can't apologize, or say please and thank you. I can't even imagine how bad their kids suck. Probably getting a bad reputation from the benchwarmers from firing everybody who sucks, but I really don't care. I don't want to see people like that at all, much less every day
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We went through the terrible teenage years also,it's not necessarily the parents fault.We were raised with strict upbringing,tried to do the same with our kids,teaching them right from wrong,respect,empathy,rewards for hard work,etc. Biggest problem nowadays is not only do kids feel entitled,but too many busybodies around taking pictures,reporting child discipline etc.Our oldest son was( and actually still is) a good worker,but however a child care worker came to his class one day,maybe about grade 5 or 6, and asked if any kids were upset about being spanked for discipline,his hand went up,by the end of the day there were two police cruisers in our yard with the same social worker,who then yelled at us in front of him that if we ever laid a hand on him again we would both go to jail,wonder why we had to put him out of the house at age 18? Our youngest son pretty much same the same boat,thought we should ask please and thank you for any work,X Box all night long so sleep all day,told my wife and she agrees,should we ever get any grandchildren there will be NO X Box or Video Games in our house
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I asked a friend that’s in the tin knockers why they keep hiring so many pre-apprentices when they have apprentices and journeyman out of work. His reply was out of ten your lucky to get three that actually show up everyday, if your lucky 2 out of those 3 will actually show up on time everyday.
He sent one to get a measurement, the kid comes back with its “37 and 7 little marks long”.
So most can’t even show up on time let alone everyday then can’t even read a tape measure when they are their.
Schools need to drop some of these fluff classes and actually offer useful everyday things, like how to be a decent human being, how to read a tape measure, how to get out of bed on time, how to balance a checkbook, etc, which is bullcrap as most of that the parents should be taking care of at home.
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Hit the nail on the head there! Literally 95% of tasks a tradesman does, require the use of a tape measure and the amount of guys that can't read one is astounding. What possessed you to join a construction trade if you can't read a tape and don't care to learn? I had a 45 year old guy last year that didn't even know what a tape measure was! Those basic skills classes will never happen because there is nobody to teach them. How many adults do you know that can actually balance a checkbook? My mother is the only other adult that I know who can do it, besides myself, and I learned it from her lol. My friends are all approaching 30 or better, and literally zero of them understand it. Funny part is, quite a few of them own their own businesses. Just pay their CPA at the end of the year to balance it for them. My brother for example is almost 21, lives at home, and dad still wakes him up for work every morning. I jack him up about it all the time but he's insistent that the kid would never get up otherwise. How's he gonna learn?! I was on my ass at 18 and yeah, I was late quite a few times from being hungover and whatnot, which got me sent home or a short paycheck or whatever. A guy will never learn unless there is some sort of consequence.
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I'm the only one with kids in my family, and every one of them has gotten the ass-kicking they've deserved at one time or another. My oldest is 26 and an Eagle Scout, aside from being one of the most self-centered people I've ever dealt with, he's a hard worker and unfailingly polite and respectful. My middle son is a hard worker, charitable and respectful. My oldest daughter is a wonderful person to everyone but her own family, and that is why she doesn't live at my house anymore. Sometimes we just can't win some battles. My youngest son, in spite of also being a Boy Scout and a really good kid, likes to tease his younger sister, and she is dealing with bullying issues at school. It came to a head a few weeks ago and I let him have it, pushed him around, yelled at him, kinda gave him a taste of his own medicine. I told him if he ever wanted to bully someone, go right ahead and pick on me or your uncle (who is 6-4 and 275#) and see where it gets you. I cannot tolerate rude people, never mind little brats that belong to someone else.
I remember as a kid, my dad's best friend from high school was up visiting and he brought his kids with him. The daughter was OK but the son was a holy terror and decided he was going to do whatever he wanted in our house. My father said something to the kid and he got the whole "you're not my boss I don't have to listen to you" crap, so then Dad turned to his friend and said if you can't or won't control the little brat, then I hate to see you go but take your kid and get out. The guy visited a couple times after that but always without the kids, and last I recall the kid was doing time.
As far as the OP's relatives, if those were my kids I would have burned every single gift in a big bonfire in the yard and forced them to sit there and watch it. And that they have 364 days to get their Sh*t together or it will happen again. No the kids are probably not 100% to blame but the parents are enablers and that's the worst kind.
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Basically in a nutshell too many parents want to be their kids best friend instead of a parent to the kid. Parents have to say NO a lot, best friends rarely. Least that’s how I see it.
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Basically in a nutshell too many parents want to be their kids best friend instead of a parent to the kid. Parents have to say NO a lot, best friends rarely. Least that’s how I see it.
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Mr. Maple, God help me if anyone show's up and has those words for me! But that child would of had absolutely nothing the rest of it's time with me. They would have there roof over their head, they would get clothes and they would be properly feed! Period! Nothing extra at all. They think they had it bad, they would know the meaning of no having anything. Wreckit I feel your pain, I actually asked my step sister to leave our Christmas party at my house last year because of her youngest throwing a tantrum because he didn't win a game. To my surprise was my Dad saying that I was taking it to far and needed to stay out of it. My response was you would have busted my ass or her ass when we were going up and the only reason for his actions were he never has had his butt spanked in his life. I'm talking about a spanking, my Dad beat us and there is the difference! I respected his authority and what he said was what we all did. My 3 children were raised with plenty of spankings in their life, and to my surprise when they left my 3 responded, WOW he is spoiled Dad. Glad I did my job.
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Growing up we kids (nine of us) never got a monetary allowance, what we got was a roof over our heads, warmth in the winter time, 3 hot meals in our bellies everyday of the week. We were also taught manners (God forbid if you spoke out of turn or if you talked back to anyone in authority, especially school teachers) and to eat with our mouths shut.
I work at an institution for higher learning, an Ivy League college. Believe it or not, if students pick engineering as a major we have a course called Engineering Sciences 01 (ES01). This course teaches students what a screw driver is, the different types and their applications; same goes for tape measures, wrenches, etc... any hand tool you can put your hands on it's taught in this course. Then they are tasked with disassembling something, analyze the parts and how they interact with the other parts and reassemble everything. What I was taught at the age of 4 or 5 years old, we have to teach kids the age of 17, 18, or even in their 20's. Don't even get me started on their math skills without their cell phones or calculators in hand; basic math skills cannot be done in their heads! I was taught to do that when I was in grade school! Roger
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Growing up we kids (nine of us) never got a monetary allowance, what we got was a roof over our heads, warmth in the winter time, 3 hot meals in our bellies everyday of the week. We were also taught manners (God forbid if you spoke out of turn or if you talked back to anyone in authority, especially school teachers) and to eat with our mouths shut.
I work at an institution for higher learning, an Ivy League college. Believe it or not, if students pick engineering as a major we have a course called Engineering Sciences 01 (ES01). This course teaches students what a screw driver is, the different types and their applications; same goes for tape measures, wrenches, etc... any hand tool you can put your hands on it's taught in this course. Then they are tasked with disassembling something, analyze the parts and how they interact with the other parts and reassemble everything. What I was taught at the age of 4 or 5 years old, we have to teach kids the age of 17, 18, or even in their 20's. Don't even get me started on their math skills without their cell phones or calculators in hand; basic math skills cannot be done in their heads! I was taught to do that when I was in grade school! Roger
It's a shame you need to teach an adult those things, but at least somebody has noticed that it's necessary and did something about it! I wish every school would implement those courses. As for the monetary allowance, yeah, my brother and sister got one but I did not because I had the ambition to go get a job. Rode my bike over to the neighbor's to split wood 8 hours a day when I was 11, and the summer before that I was dropped off at my grandma's in the morning and mowed lawns around town all day for some cash. My dad provided the mower and gas, so I did get to make all profit, but I worked my nuts off for it and kept both of those jobs until I was 15 and bought myself a brand new Kawasaki Prairie 700 with my earnings. Gave up the lawn mowing and picked up a payroll job for $8 an hour washing restaurant equipment and running forklift in the warehouse, but still split wood evenings and weekends driving my wheeler all over before I had a license. No cell phone, no free car, no allowance, no nothing while my sister had her car insurance even paid for until she was 25, not to mention 4 years of college and 2 nice vehicles in the meantime. That $100 lawnmower dad bought me when I was 10 I think was a little cheaper than the $100,000 they wasted on making her into a snowflake. Perks of being the first-born maybe. I certainly wouldn't be where I am if I were spoiled like that though, I know that much. Takes some ass busting to make a person appreciate what they've got
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god damn generation I tell yea......FUCKED
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Once I got old enough I made $2/hour working on the farm. Was doing any job that the adults were before I was in middle school. Takes a lot of hours to buy a new rear tire when I was racing dirt bikes.
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My dad (died 2006) told us that when we were just kids, if he had something that he had to fix he always had us kids around to learn. He said when we were 4 or5 years old he would hand one of us a wrench and ask us to loosen a bolt for him. He said it comical to watch us put everything we had into trying to remove it. He'd watch for a few minutes and then he take over. He always gave us credit because he wouldn't have been able to remove so easily so must have loosened it. Of course he said we would walk around with our chest pumped out and strut a bit. Positive reinforcement is a huge thing especially in a little kid's mind. Roger
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I've got four children, and think about things like this a lot... Who the parent is is so big.
I've got a two year old that will about go funny if I use a wrench and he doesn't get a turn. Loves the tick tick of a gear wrench. :) knows what pumps and flat plates are. They are what you make them.
I remember Dad putting me in the old skidder with me barely knowing how to shut it off, heart thumping, lurching down the hill... . Using an electronic device isn't the same.
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I've got four children, and think about things like this a lot... Who the parent is is so big.
I've got a two year old that will about go funny if I use a wrench and he doesn't get a turn. Loves the tick tick of a gear wrench. :) knows what pumps and flat plates are. They are what you make them.
I remember Dad putting me in the old skidder with me barely knowing how to shut it off, heart thumping, lurching down the hill... . Using an electronic device isn't the same.
Ha, I remember those days. I was feeding hay with the Bobcat or hauling wagons with the B Farmall as a 5 year old. Looking back, that was insane. Most 5 year olds I see now I'm afraid they might get hurt walking up the stairs, much less running heavy equipment. Heck, as a 27 year old 2 years ago when Gramps sold the farm I drove that B to my dad's place down the road and struggled with it lol. Damn snowflake forgot how to drive a tractor!
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We weren't that young driving tractors. I think dad go us started on them when we reached about 10 or 12 years old. He kinda figured that they don't go that fast so the chances of it overturning or throwing you was rather slim. Plus, if he found out we rough housing it, that put an end to driving them until it was proven that you were man enough to do it right.
The funniest thing I ever saw/heard was my neighbor's son was just a teenager. It was hot day and their lawn needed mowing so mom asked her son to mow the lawn. I could hear their conversation all the way to my house; "it's too hot out, I don't want to" so instead of mom arguing with her son she decided to mow it herself. So here I am minding my own business mowing my lawn when she comes out of her house wearing a bikini. Talk about a distraction! I nearly drove over the embankment due to not watching where I was going. Needless to say I don't think there was a blade of grass that was out of place on my lawn; I must have mowed it 10 times. Roger
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I could hear their conversation all the way to my house; "it's too hot out, I don't want to" so instead of mom arguing with her son she decided to mow it herself.
Don’t want to or not going to do it was one of many things my little brother and I NEVER said to our parents, you were told to do something and you did it, no arguing about it, no temper tantrums or any of the other happy crap kids pull these days.
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I would have sworn we were Russian when we grew up cause my old man is as sharp as the sickle and as hard as the hammer that crosses it. Probably the sweedish side of my heritage. We learned the value of hard work very early on. I can't even talk to kids these days , most of them make me sick. My wife's son is 21 , lives with us , has never even had a driver's license. He's a smart kid but lazy as an old hound dog. I don't even try to get him motivated anymore I feel like it's easier to struggle and do things myself then have him help me. It's sad but these kids don't care. When we aren't here to do everything for them they are F'd. We are lucky that over the years I have been able to amass pretty near anything that we could ever need. Our kid would have everything he would ever need to survive if mom and I weren't here but he wouldn't get out from in front of the play station long enough to ever use any of it. He would freeze before he split any wood or light the wood boiler. He could have 3 trucks to drive but no license. He would have to find a job but it would be tough to get there. I don't understand these kids these day they make me sick.
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A saying goes about farming.
The first generation starts it.
The second generation grows it.
The third generation usually pisses it all away.
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Damm I missed this thread.....I agree, I crush the kids nuts as they grew up , even the neborhoods kids if they came by ..,....I need more time to type this out .I don't think this country is going to be very fun in the future... I listen to the radio a lot and I hear a ad to ..play games.. While some kid whales... AINT NO WAY !!!!