Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => Hardy => Topic started by: ford tech on November 24, 2012, 07:24:43 AM
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I FOUND THIS ON YOU TUBE - HARDY EFFICIENCY PLATES - SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA . DOES ANY ONE HAVE THIS AUGER IN THERE H2
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That's interesting. I have never seen those before. I would think that there would be a lot of build up on them after a while.
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Tried to find the video but said there we no results can you post the link so I can go to it from here
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Seems like a good idea, I heard on another site they were 60 bucks plus shipping. 330-485-6310 they said to leave a message and he would get back to you. May get one for my h2 and see what happens.
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Hey Slosh let us know how it works out if you end up buying one. If they are only $60 it would probably be worth it just to try it out.
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you bet it wouldthe bad thing is i dont keep a close eye on wood consumption so how would i know any different lol maybe ill start. seems like it would creosote up if you burn green wood.?.?
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That is the dealer that I bought my H2 from. He knows the stoves very well. He has worked with Hardy for quite a while in developing and tweaking their products.
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I was thinking the same thing slosh. I guess it wouldn't be hard to take it out and clean it though.
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I called and left a msg today too. For $60, I'll give it a try.
I've been very disappointed in the wood consumption of my H2. I've tried various things, such as made an adjustable chain on my fan door so I could control the air intake, and adjusted my water temp lower. But wood consumption didn't change by any noticeable degree.
I like his idea of the corkscrew in the stack. Makes sense.
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Am going to get one myself. have lost the contact number and i need a new stack also, mine is all beat the crap from the previous owner "cleaning creosote". Anyone know how much a new stack is?
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I have an H-4. I have had the plates for over two years. The amount of wood used dropped 25-33%. Green wood or pine can be a problem with build up. There is slide in the middle to let deposit/ash that builds in the stack drop out. I burn newspaper or card board about once a week to heat up and burn out any build up of creosote. If I let it go to long it will build up and the draft will go to nearly zero. Then I have had to let the fire go out and work a screwdriver around the edges to clean it out. I also am able to take a stick and lift and shake the plate to keep a build up from forming. The number you listed as the contact is my local dealer that came up with he idea.
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Slosh, When I bought a new stack for my H-2 it was $45 from the dealer. I think I'm going to order one of these augers for my H-2.
Brauma - Did you get your auger yet? If you have, let us know what your opinion is.
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I called and left a msg on the 27th. Still no return call yet. Quite disappointing.
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I talked to him today, price went up to 75 bucks plus shipping a 15lb box ups. Thinking of just making my own. Just need to find a 6" auger
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I would just make my own like you said if I can get some measurements for the h4 plate I am going to make it all it is is a piece of channel taking up more space int the top
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yea i can buy a 6" auger from harbor greight thats 32'' long and at least make 2 of them. just a little measuring and fabrication going to make one for me and my father in law will post pics when i get around to making them.
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I can't find the video on youtube for this anymore. Does anyone have a link? I found one link but it says the video is private. Does this guy have a website too? I'm going to try and build my own with the auger from Harbor Freight.
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I've been looking for the same info but no luck here neither :bash:
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What info are you looking for?
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I just want to watch that video again. I'm going to go and buy the auger from Harbor Freight and make my own. I just need to measure the inside diameter of the flue pipe to make sure the auger will fit inside. I have a feeling the auger will be too big. I guess you could grind the edges until it slides in. I'm hoping to get this completed this weekend. :thumbup:
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Yea your going to want a snug fit. Rather it be a little to big and grind down to fit snug.
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Does anyone have the dimensions for the plate for a H4?
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Do you mean the standard one that comes with the h4 or the retrofit one that guy was selling?
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the retro fit the guy is selling
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tickman,
I can get you the dimensions for the H4 baffle plate when my stove is not running full bore. It is a two piece plate that is bolted together, with a slide door on one side to increase draft and for clean out. There is a one inch gap all the way around the out side. If I don't do it when it warms up message me as a reminder.
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Farmer, you are the first one I have ever talked to that had actually bought one. Did you see any change after installing it?
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See reply #10 in this thread.
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Completely missed it, thanks! I added a flue extension down into my firebox this year. I believe it helped but it has been a VERY cold winter and am on track to burn what I did last year( 12 cords or so).
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If you buy a piece of auger, remember whats sold as a 6" auger is actually 5" and is meant to run in a 6" tube. A 7" auger would measure 6" and run in a 7" tube.
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mlappin, good thing to watch out for.
This is the auger bit that we are talking about. http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-diameter-auger-bit-95973.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-diameter-auger-bit-95973.html)
The description states diameter=6 inches. Worth measuring first though!
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mlappin, good thing to watch out for.
This is the auger bit that we are talking about. http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-diameter-auger-bit-95973.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-diameter-auger-bit-95973.html)
The description states diameter=6 inches. Worth measuring first though!
That should be a true 6 inches then, given that I deal with augers all the time for grain handling first thing that came to mind is that ag augers are sold by what size tube they will be running in. Auger flighting is always 1" smaller than the tube to prevent binding.
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Thanks mlappin. Always looking for more knowledge!
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It will probably need some grinding. I measured the inside diameter of the flue pipe and it's right at 6 inches. I never got around to buying the auger this weekend so maybe this week.
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You want a tight fit so hopefully the auger is right at 6 too.
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What info are you looking for?
The video or a website to see a picture for ideas on how to make mine.
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Completely missed it, thanks! I added a flue extension down into my firebox this year. I believe it helped but it has been a VERY cold winter and am on track to burn what I did last year( 12 cords or so).
How did you do your stack in the fire box? I have tried that a time or two but have not got nothing to last very long yet. Or have you talked about it and I just over looked it?
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What I did was take a piece of 8 inch black flue pipe and cut it off at 10 inches. Then at the top I cut notches all the way around and bent the tabs in and then up. Since the flue where it comes into the firebox is a little less then 8 inches you need to do this to slide it up into the flue. After that I drilled a 1/2 inch hole through the flue on each side just above those bars that the 'deflector' sits on. Then I slid a piece of 1/2 rod over the top of the bars and through the holes in the flue pipe. This holds the pipe up. Then I took #9 wire, drilled two holes in my deflector plate and slid the wire through the holes. I bent an L at the bottom of the wire so that the plate couldn't slide off the bottom and bent a hook at the top of the wire which I then hung from that 1/2 rod. I left about 1 inch gap between the top of the deflector and the bottom of the flue pipe.
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I bought the auger over lunch today. I got it for $39.99. It is not as thick of metal as I had imagined but that's good because I will have to grind it down a little bit to get it to fit.
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Can't wait to hear how it goes. I love Harbor Frieght coupons, lol.
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I'll take pictures along the way. :pic: I don't really think there will be much to it. I'm kind of thinking that the tab that holds the flue pipe in will be able to hold the auger. I am going to try and keep it as a temporary install for now until I find out if it works or not. If I see good results then I'll make it more permanent.
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Ok, so I got the auger installed last night. I had typed up a whole story here and then lost it, so I'll keep it short lol I don't feel like typing it all out again. Basically, the auger will fit into the flue without any modifications but it's not really snug. You can pull the flue out and screw the auger into the firebox using the tab that holds the flue up. I did this until I could see it starting to come into the firebox and then I marked it at the top so I knew how long to make it. There was too much back pressure in the firebox so I had to take one of the "spirals" off of the auger to allow for more air flow. This was a PITA and took me about an hour with my grinder. I put the auger back in and noticed it had a lot better flow. Still some pressure, but about as good as it will get. I can't tell you if I have noticed much of a difference yet. It was -6 last night and I had the house on 70 and the shop garage on 52 (3100 sg ft total) and I got about 9 hours on a full load. It is going to be about 15 today so it might be easier to see a difference. I'll keep you posted though. I only took one picture because my phone died in the process. This picture of the auger while I was working on cutting one of the blades off.
http://s40.photobucket.com/user/01amercer1988/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140127_211844_zpsyvyrg7bx.jpg.html (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/01amercer1988/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140127_211844_zpsyvyrg7bx.jpg.html)
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Wow, sounds like it is really doing its job slowing the heat from leaving the firebox. Now if you can fine tune it to find the balance between too much restriction and still holding the heat in the chamber longer to get good heat transfer I think you will see improvements in the efficiency.
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I think 9 hours heating as much as you are with it being -6 and the smaller firebox of the h2 you are doing pretty decent.
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Yea I thought that was decent too. One thing... I have noticed a little bit of smoke coming from around my flue collar. Do you guys think that's anything to worry about? It did it a little bit before but it's a little bit worse now.
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Are you sure that it is smoke? I am going to bet that its actually steam. Thats exactly what mine does and it is the chaulking that has failed between the firebox and water jacket allowing steam to leak by and out between where you are referring to. Easiest way to know if it is steam is take a piece of glass or mirror or something similar and put it right where you see the smoke coming from. If it fogs it up you know its steam.
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Ok thanks! I did notice that the silicone was worn off when I pulled the flue out. I can't wait to get home tonight to see how much wood I went through!
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If it is steam and you want to fix it you will have to remove the outer cover from the furnace. Then there are screws all the way around the top of the furnace holding the top of the water jacket on. You will need to remove all of these and remove the top. After that I guess there is a place where the firebox meets the top of the water jacket and you will need to resilicone that area. I have not done mine, just lived with it for 3 years steaming a bit. I tried to silicone with high temp silicone between the water jacket top and the flue but that only holds up for about a week and then the silicone breaks down. The flue temps get to high for the silicone. If you fix it I would love to see some pics since I have never had my top off and my boiler is covered in spray foam so for me its not an easy fix.
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I'll have to check that out. Sounds like a lot of work.
I just had my wife check on the stove for me because I'm going to grab a load of wood after work and she said there was only 3 small pieces of wood left in the firebox. I filled the stove at about 6:30 this morning so going on about 9 hours again. It's 15 degrees here today, again, house on 70 and garage on 52. Time will tell if I wasted my money and time lol
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
This is true...
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How's it goin?
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It's really kind of hard to tell. I haven't really noticed a difference. It almost seems like there isn't enough air flow. Still burning a lot of wood :bash:
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Why do you think that it doesn't have good enough air flow?
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I took it out tonight. It was pretty warm here today (37 F) same thermostat settings as usual and only got 10 hours again. When the auger was installed, when I would try to close the firebox door it would almost blow the door back open when the blower was running. Just too much back pressure I guess.
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Humm, thats disappointing to hear.
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Yea I'm not sure what the deal is. I loaded it with some oak last night even though it was a litle bit on the green side. I think my burn time would have been good but I noticed this morning that I didn't latch the ash door last night when I filled it. It was almost all gone this morning. :bash: Maybe I had a few too many beers at dinner???