Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => HeatMaster => Topic started by: Boydz on December 10, 2012, 11:34:46 AM
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I have recently installed a 10,000E and am woindering where you guys are leaving the rear draft setting at ? I currently have it set at 100% but am woindering if it needs to be this much. Seems like ALOT of air is coming in quick. Ive got the unit set at 180 with a 10-15deg swing depending on how warm it is outside and what im burning for wood. Seems this late in the year im only able to scrounge up green wood.
Im heating an old farm house with very little insulation, a full shop in another building that pretty well insulated, and soon a tack room for the horse equipment so I want to make sure its being as efficient as possible.
Just thought I'd ask if anyones played with this :)
Thanks
-Ryan
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Normally on a large furnace like the 10,000e I run them wide open. The idea behind the e models is to burn a hot fire which burns cleaner and then use the top bypass to cool down the exhaust before it leaves the furnace. If you start restricting the draft too much you will not get as clean a burn and then you could have more trouble with creosote. So especially when burning green wood I would recommend 100% open on the draft.
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Thanks Yoder, I did try and move it to about 50% and it seems like it smokes more on recovery as it takes longer to get going again especailly with a large differential swing. Ill probably move it back to 100% tonight. It does seem to be using a bit less wood but I think your right about the creoste buildup being more with a cooler fire. I did recently have an episode where the draft door got stuck open for some reason after the solonoid released but I added a small weight to the door and its fine now. Not sure even why that happened since it didnt even feel sticky at all and there was nothing blocking it. It did creep up to about 210 deg - :o
Do you have any idea why they eliminated the top air supply in the fire box on the newer HE models ? Mine only supplies air to the underside of the fire. I feel like theres efficiency to gain by trying to burn some of those gasses being pushed to the secondary chamber ???
Still trying to figure this thing out 100%, but it's working great and the girls are loving the heat in the house LOL - Im dying even at 70deg since im used to 64deg all the time from burning Propane :)
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The design of the top air draft caused some long term problem because on a few furnaces it allowed creosote to build up in the draft pipe. They eliminated it to make sure no one had any issues, not sure if they will bring it back at some point or not.
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I called them and they have sent me a kit to add the rear draft back to my MF10000E. I really like the air from the rear better as it get fire hotter faster and gives off less smoke. I received the kit today. It mounts all the way in the back so i will have wait and put this in later.
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Ky,
Does your 10,000E have the plug in the back where it used to attach ? Mine does and Im wonrdering if its worth it to try and get this installed again.
Probably wont help the smoke rolling oyut the door when i open it though :)
Id actually like to make a smoke bypass in the rear to channel the smoke to the secondary chamber when I open the door. Maybe spring loaded on the door or something !!
Anyhow, if you have any pics of what they sent you, that may help too.
Thanks !!
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You should install it I think..
As far as smoke out the door, you gotta learn your stove, once you know when the stove should be about out, there won't be anything left inside the stove capable or smoking much.
So don't over fill the box, if your able to check your stove every 14 hours, only give it enough wood to go that long, then when you go to the stove, the only thing that should be left is a bed of hot coals... Once you get onto that, no more smoke out the door
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Sorry I have been away for a couple days. I will get some pictures of it in the morning and post them. I haven't installed it as you have to clean the stove out and i don't want to shut the stove down.
What little time I have been using the OWB I think Heatmaster should have sent these out over the summer so they could have been installed before the heating season started.
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Sorry I have been away for a couple days. I will get some pictures of it in the morning and post them. I haven't installed it as you have to clean the stove out and i don't want to shut the stove down.
What little time I have been using the OWB I think Heatmaster should have sent these out over the summer so they could have been installed before the heating season started.
I think they were testing different ones to see what worked best. I'm not sure but I know there was some work going on with the kits
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Here are the pictures.
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Also my youngest wanted to show off his wood pile that is cutting a splitting himself.
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You better keep him around for a while lol
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Kid loves helping. I haven't had to load the firebox but a couple times all winter. I just watch him to make sure everything goes right. He is only 14 but already knows the value of heating with wood and will have his own later in life.
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Sounds good :thumbup:
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Nice looking pile of wood !!
Your son is earning his stripes :) Always great to have good helpers.
Thanks for posting the pics. Looks like something Id like to see if I could get my hands on. I'm thinking it will make a difference becasue when i am loading with the door open and its getting extra 02 in the top area I can a partial secondary burn taking place which looks pretty cool. I have noticed that when I shut the door this stops once if I open the door back up again it takes off and reignites the fumes after a few seconds if the wind is blowing in there. I think that heated air would probably do much better.
Did that come with an instruction sheet ? How did you go about getting one ? I may shut down on a warm day and pop this in since its not looking like it would be to terribly difficult.
Maybe I could just email them and they would ship me one ? Im still waiting on my water sample report however :D
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I called and they shipped it out right away. I was told that your dealer will install it and charge back to heatmaster that way it is done right.
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kybaseball,
Has this been installed? I would like to know your experience with it.
Michael
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kybaseball,
Has this been installed? I would like to know your experience with it.
Michael
Hey, I think they only make these for the 10,000E. I called to get something made for the 5000e's but all I ever received was the plug kits that blocks the top draft. I put those on and took the original duct off the back and reinstalled a flexible aluminum duct, it did away with the elbow and seems to work well.
Are you still running your top draft open?
A buddy of mine had one burn up because of running it open
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Scott7m,
I operate mine with the primary draft wide open and the secondary draft fully closed to prevent creosote collecting in the primary duct. The original duct has been replaced a couple times. I miss the secondary draft, I think it helps reduce recovery time and hotter fires. You fellows let me know if they design a replacement assembly for the 5000e, I would really like to get the secondary draft back online if possible.
Thanks,
Michael
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Yea, I have no idea why they can't make the same thing for the 5000E, maybe they have, but I've not seen it.
I ran mine as normal last year with the top open as well, never had any issues but did replace the duct a couple times to not let creosote build up much in it
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Called this morning and Spoke with Wally. He stated that only a certain serial # run of the 10,000e units were elidgable for this and that the dealer has to order it direct - Free of charge. I was pretty sure mine was a candidate since it has the plug on the back where the original design brought in cold air.
This does mount inside the box and would apear to me to just redirect some airflow to the top from underneath. I like this approach as it would make sense to me to preheat the air to promote better secondary burn.
Time will tell. He's shipping one to my dealer.
I think this will really help in some way as its pretty neat to watch a partial burn of the gasses when Im loading at night with the door open. In know this goes away when I close the door as i can see the smoke increase and it reignites when I open the door again. Sometimes it even burns all the way up in the first enclosed bypass if the wind is blowing the right way.
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