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Title: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on July 26, 2018, 06:19:25 PM
I just bought a new trailer 6x12 that I am going to setup for using for boiler installs. I am going to keep most of my parts inventory in it.
Planning on putting a workbench probably on the left side and I think shelves on the front walls. It is a V front and can't decide how to lay it out. I am wanting to have bins for all the different fittings and small parts so they stay organized.
I am having trouble coming up with a good layout because of the V front. I looked at doing angled shelves on each side or going straight across and making it deep in the middle but that doesn't seem like it will work well.
I have a lot of 4'x4'x1/2" plywood that I will probably make most of the shelving out of.
Does anyone have anything similar or have suggestions?
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: E Yoder on July 26, 2018, 07:01:06 PM
Will be watching- have pondered setups a lot.  we work off a tool truck but there's never enough bins/shelves. But it's very mobile, 4WD, and it works.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: wreckit87 on July 26, 2018, 07:50:51 PM
My job trailer is also a 6x12 and I outgrew it real fast- will be picking up a 7x14 tandem axle hopefully this winter when stuff cools down a bit and I have some time to switch over. The way I have mine setup currently is a 42" wide shelf in the center up front (round nose) with a cubby on the passenger side for easy access to my hand tools and such from the side door. Rest of the passenger side is hooks for ladders and rolls of tubing, with floor space for air compressor, glycol jugs, boxes, etc. Driver side is a jigsaw puzzle of homemade shelving; top is a horseshoe for 10ft sticks of pipe, then underneath I built 6" slots slightly tilted toward the exterior wall for drill/impact kit, porta-band, pecker saw, hammer drill, solder kit, and socket set. Next to that is the same tilted slots, but full of those Stanley fitting boxes. Behind that is a 6ft long slot up top (under the pipe rack) for shorter lengths of pipe and allthread, unistrut, etc. 6ft space under that to the floor for generator, drawer organizer, chain vise/tri-stand, acetylene torch, and whatever happens to land in there. I'm pretty happy with it, but the 7x14 will have a V front like yours and I intend to build a flush shelf all the way across with maybe 4 or 5 tiers for heat exchangers, pumps, mixing valves, and the like. Bigger parts like that which don't fit on a regular shelf. Might try to incorporate a large drawer organizer in the center of the V for extra fittings and whatnot that don't fit nicely in my fitting boxes. I can get you a pic if you want, I am going to reuse my driver side assembly in the next rig as I do really like it
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on July 26, 2018, 08:25:55 PM
I have a 6x10 I picked up at a retirement sale.

Left side has a 4 foot tall, 8 foot long row of cubby holes. Bottom is set up more for holding core bits, flat plates, and other large items.

Mine has a rounded nose though and plan on more shelves with a worktop with a small vice for the front.

I still need to get my press brake/shear/roller combo on the right side.

Core drill motors goes on the left side with other large items, core drill stand on right behind the shear.

I thought about a 6x12 or even larger, but wanted to stay small enough the wife’s Jeep Liberty could pull it in a pinch without issue.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on July 26, 2018, 09:50:57 PM
Yes, pics would help. I don't need as much equipment as you have so this trailer should be plenty big enough.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on July 27, 2018, 11:24:36 AM
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/855/42772410205_b395a50a63_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28aDMon)Trailer (https://flic.kr/p/28aDMon) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr



(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/857/42772410145_0425f76b23_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28aDMnk)Trailer (https://flic.kr/p/28aDMnk) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: wreckit87 on July 27, 2018, 09:00:57 PM
I just got home from a wall hung NG install and heading out in the morning for a 4000 sq ft radiant floor so mine is a pretty big disaster at the moment but if I get it cleaned up and organized a bit I'll get you a pic or 3 tomorrow
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 01, 2018, 02:09:49 PM
I just started slapping stuff together. If it doesn't work out then I can just change it later. I am kind of wishing I got a trailer with a flat front. The angles are a real pain to deal with and they aren't the same on each side. The little flat piece in the center front is off square by an inch.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 01, 2018, 02:15:32 PM
The angles are a real pain to deal with and they aren't the same on each side. The little flat piece in the center front is off square by an inch.

Well of course they are.

Mine has the rounded front, I’m gonna take a large piece of cardboard to cut a pattern out of.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 01, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
Got the press brake/shear/roller on a stand today and in the trailer. Short stuff leave it fastened to the wall, roll it out for long stuff.


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/848/43075205504_18e970988e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28CpFSY)Trailer (https://flic.kr/p/28CpFSY) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1836/41982998940_f7320112c4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26XTQVj)Trailer (https://flic.kr/p/26XTQVj) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr


(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/858/41982998780_e197f091f7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26XTQSy)Trailer (https://flic.kr/p/26XTQSy) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: wreckit87 on August 02, 2018, 06:05:19 PM
Sorry I'm late. Had a busy week, finally got time to organize some of my crap and snap a few pics. Gotta go fill glycol and pipe the intake/vent of the wall hung I piped last Friday after work tomorrow
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 03, 2018, 10:49:05 AM
How does the ramp door work out for you? I wanted to get swinging doors but no one has any in stock with a 6'6" ceiling.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 03, 2018, 11:04:03 AM
Here are a couple more pics. I think I will wait to but bins in the center section till I see what I want to put there.
I built the set on the right first and it was a little tight getting stuff out of the slots so I made the fronts a little shorter on the left side.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: wreckit87 on August 04, 2018, 12:48:30 PM
Look at you and your fancy router! That shelving looks awesome, my next one I may have to reconsider from the drawer organizers and go with plywood bins like that. I love the ramp door actually. It can be a little long sometimes in tight spaces and uneven ground can be kinda screwy so as to not tweak the ramp, but I'd do it again. My issue with the barn doors is the constant in and out of wheeled items like air compressor and barrel cart, 2 wheeler, etc so I need a ramp one way or another
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 04, 2018, 10:07:57 PM
Router? I did it all with a table saw.

Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: wreckit87 on August 05, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
Oh, those grooves look rounded at the tip. Did you drill the ends and cut to the hole or use a Dado or what?
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 05, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
I’m betting hole saw then cut to it.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 05, 2018, 07:02:37 PM
The first one I tried drilling holes aand cutting g with a skill saw but it wasn't working out very good so I did the rest with the table saw. I am not sure If that is the piece that I did drill the holes.

I just put all the shelves in a stack and screwed them together and
then cut the slots with the stack upright. I just used the regular blade and went through 3 times and the cleaned up anything that was missed.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 08, 2018, 10:20:09 AM
How does the ramp door work out for you? I wanted to get swinging doors but no one has any in stock with a 6'6" ceiling.

I prefer the ramp actually, much easier on a set of, ah, maturing knees. Opening is also tall enough no threat of whacking my head unlike with the side door.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 08, 2018, 05:40:33 PM
I haven't been in and out the back much yet but I think that would be just the opposite for me. I think the opening might be taller on the side door. I just measured the opening height of the back door today and it is only 6'2 so will have to watch out for that.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 09, 2018, 08:57:19 AM
I haven't been in and out the back much yet but I think that would be just the opposite for me. I think the opening might be taller on the side door. I just measured the opening height of the back door today and it is only 6'2 so will have to watch out for that.

I don’t have that issue, I only reached the standard issued Lappin height of 5’10”.

My maternal great grandfather was only 5’3” and my paternal grandfather was 5’6” so I guess I should be happy with what I got. Moms Dad was 6’1” but I only got his hair, which means I have more than most guys in their 30’s.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 22, 2018, 11:59:03 AM
I added a little piece of plywood at the bottom then screwed on several short bungees to make a place to store shorts. Top left is a little strap to hang tapes and sharpies. Just to the right is another little strap to drop a small square in.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1842/44153531382_286677eda4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2agGoAs)Shorts storage (https://flic.kr/p/2agGoAs) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr



I rewired the trailer so the interior lights now run off the aux 12 volts at the truck plug instead of the marker lights. Added two more LEDs to the inside so I won’t ever be working in my own shadow, also added a 12V marine battery so it doesn’t even have to be hooked to the truck.


(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1871/44201634171_efd35924be_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2akWVST)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2akWVST) by Marty Lappin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/143335218@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: RSI on August 22, 2018, 05:35:00 PM
Did you put a diode in series with the truck plug? I haven't gotten around to getting the truck plug connected to the battery yet on my boiler hoist trailer but was thinking it might not be so good to have 12v on the connector when it is laying unplugged.

I will probably do the same thing in the enclosed trailer eventually too.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: wreckit87 on August 22, 2018, 07:10:38 PM
How do you like those dielectric unions? I just replaced 90 of them with brass a few weeks ago on the radiation in an elementary school that's only 7 years old and roughly 75 of those 90 were leaking. Seemed most of the leakers were overtight, but that may or may not have been an attempt at fixing the leaks. The non-leakers were all barely more than hand tight, it was weird. Also a 30 PSI ethylene glycol system, whether or not that matters
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: stmftr on August 22, 2018, 08:08:49 PM
Most engineers that we deal with in Wisconsin do not use dielectrics.  They do not spec them out on any state buildings we do either.  The state engineers say that if a closed loop system has proper water treatment they are not needed.  If they are to be used per the spec we usually use the victaulic brass dielectric nipples.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 23, 2018, 06:10:44 AM
How do you like those dielectric unions? I just replaced 90 of them with brass a few weeks ago on the radiation in an elementary school that's only 7 years old and roughly 75 of those 90 were leaking. Seemed most of the leakers were overtight, but that may or may not have been an attempt at fixing the leaks. The non-leakers were all barely more than hand tight, it was weird. Also a 30 PSI ethylene glycol system, whether or not that matters

I’ve had much better luck with dielectrics than copper unions. Most hydraulic leaks I deal with is because a previous owner seriously over tightened a fitting and distorted the flare.
Title: Re: New trailer layout
Post by: mlappin on August 23, 2018, 06:13:41 AM
Did you put a diode in series with the truck plug? I haven't gotten around to getting the truck plug connected to the battery yet on my boiler hoist trailer but was thinking it might not be so good to have 12v on the connector when it is laying unplugged.

I will probably do the same thing in the enclosed trailer eventually too.

I have a diode coming for it.

My hoist trailer has one and my truck has a charge control module already installed. Doesn’t send juice to the trailer plug until it senses 13.2v at the battery and shuts it off at 12.5v if I remember correctly. Keeps the truck batteries from ever being run down by the trailer.