Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => HeatMaster => Topic started by: hoardac on May 21, 2017, 02:32:35 PM
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End of year cleaning G200 lots of creosote behind panels and around the flanges that hold them in. I guess I should have took them off and cleaned them at some point mid winter. Going to have to do plenty of serious scraping but is there something you can spray on it to remove it. I seen the posts about cleaning the outside with spray products but not sure if it will work inside, any hints beside elbow grease and swearing.
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A good hot fire with a cleaned out firebox, run it hard. Cardboard seems to work well.
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Is the G-200 a gasser? I've been lead to believe that the cardboard trick doesn't work that well on a gasser. Perhaps someone mislead me. If it does work, I'll have to give it a try in my CB E-Classic 1400. Roger
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The big trick is to let the boiler cool then fire it hot and hard, dry softwood will work as well.
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I will have to give it a try, I have what I would consider normal creosote conditions in my g200. I also wondered how well it will work being a downdrafter. I'll gather up some cardboard and give it a try.
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Like slim said- the best thing I've found to burn off creosote in a downdraft unit is to let the temp drop, then fire with small splits to a make a mound of glowing coals. Turn on heat or domestic hot water to make it run hard for a while. Keep adding splits as needed but keep the coal bed exposed so the radiant off the coal bed hits the air channels.
The goo should start running.
Make sure no ash is blocking the drain holes at the bottom of the channels.
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I wonder if leaving the reaction chamber door open during the burn to aid in getting as much air as possible on the fire? Thoughts? Roger
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OK Thanks guys will give it a light today. The rear plates went back in hard seems like the boiler bowed in a little from the water pressing on it anybody else have this happen. Not impossible to put back in but real tight.
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It doesn't work that way Roger, it is a draft induced boiler so opening the reaction chamber door simply interrupts the draft and if the smoke bypass is used it may burn up the motor.
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Hoardac. It's likely just the creosote hanging the plates up. Doesn't take much build up to be a pain.
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The plates can cup a bit in the heat which can make them hard to slide in. You can hammer them flat but as long as they go back in its OK.
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The creosote powder also seems to help, but I’ve found for it to be effective at all you have to add it right before it cycles off so it doesn’t draw the chemical right down the nozzle before it has a chance to work.
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Hordac how old is your G200? Your unit has the removable plates in the rear of the primary combustion chamber? My G200 does not have them but I am looking into getting a set and put them in mine. I have a lot of creosote buildup at the bottom of the back wall and I believe these panels help prevent that buildup. I looked at a new G200 at RSI's shop and noticed they were added but they don't route the combustion air through them like they do the side panels. Talking with RSI we believe it would be doable to mount them without any welding.
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I've seen the creosote puddle and harden at the ash line too. I've dug the ash out from underneath, then burned some small wood to burn it up.
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I've seen the creosote puddle and harden at the ash line too. I've dug the ash out from underneath, then burned some small wood to burn it up.
I always run my poker around the outside once in awhile just for this reason. I believe the back panels do help cut down on this, my G400 was bad about this and it didn’t have the panels., of course dryer wood helps too. I’m at least a year ahead now and plan to stay that way unless we have another winter that’s so sloppy all I can do is think about cutting wood.
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Yes, if you can catch the creosote early you can get a lot of it out but it still tends to build up and when it hardens it is a bugger to get out. I am going to get a set of the rear panels if I can to see if it helps lesson the buildup.
Lately I sure feel like a wood slave. The land owner where I do most of my cutting wants to put in a food plot and dropped about 22 oak trees for me to cut up and clear out. Oak blight is going through the woods so they would all be dead sooner or later but they ranged from 12 to 30" in diameter. Next time I will offer to drop them myself so I don't have to cut them up four deep on top of each other. I should be about 3 years ahead after this cutting season.
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Hordac how old is your G200?
Shoppy Just bought it end of December. I kept the ashes from the sides but the corners not so much and it shows. Going to buy a ash vac this year and clean it every week this season. Not a fan of shoving my fat ass in the boiler for 3 hours and it still is not perfect. Where I cleaned it regularly it took just a few minutes to scrape. Lesson learned and will do it different this year. Anyone know how long the bricks last for and where to get new ones if needed.
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I wouldn't get too concerned about cleaning it Hoardac at least not to the point of doing it weekly, as pissed as I am with the office the boiler itself is pretty forgiving and I'm sure they can arrange to have any parts you might need shipped to you.
I do apoligize for what happened between the office and myself but you need to know that it was not my decision, I'll still try to help where I can but any parts you may need will more than likely need to come direct from the factory after they pick up their product from my property.
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Richard, any idea how much the two nozzle bricks are? Mine have some cracks running through them. I would like to get the two halves on hand in case they broke mid season. Thanks.
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I have no idea Honda but with the amount of times that you have said nice things regarding the product, I would be very surprised if Jake didn't tell you to come on up and get a set from the stock I have here, but that would be his decision!
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How clean the firebox is kept might be somewhat personal preference.
I have yet to see any corrosion from moisture or creosote in a 409 firebox, that's from what I've seen in G's since 2013 and MF's since about '06. The older MF models had long door jambs that would sweat and puddle creosote if wood moisture was high, I've scraped it off and underneath it's slick and shiny.
Obviously you don't want the creosote to puddle and build back up into the air channels though.
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Richard, boy that would be nice, either way though it would probably make sense for me to have a set on hand. That or a fan motor would put me out of service for a few days at the least in the middle of winter
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I still have the product on hand and I know for a fact they are watching, if they give me the go ahead I'll pull it from the return pallets, perhaps you should give them a call?
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Thanks Richard.