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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 26, 2017, 09:42:34 AM »
Thanks RSI.....a google search for OFS brings up a lot of places but none appear to be what I'm looking for.
Can you tell me what OFS stands for?
I found Badger but there doesnt appear to be reamers available there.
Can you tell me what OFS stands for?
I found Badger but there doesnt appear to be reamers available there.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 25, 2017, 03:51:45 PM »
Ok off to search for badger and hopefully find a reamer there as well as fittings. I have a bunch of brass tees and compression fittings for ordinary pex so one fitting to get away from kitek and I should be set.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 25, 2017, 09:43:34 AM »
Thanks again guys! I will ponder over all the suggestions and try to come up with a schematic or even a sketch to be sure I am following you all correctly.
On a bit of a side note, can you recommend an easy way to transition from kitek to something that isnt prone to leaking? And are special tools needed to use it? Someone suggested I have to get an expander?? to adapt to kitek.
On a bit of a side note, can you recommend an easy way to transition from kitek to something that isnt prone to leaking? And are special tools needed to use it? Someone suggested I have to get an expander?? to adapt to kitek.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 24, 2017, 03:32:10 PM »
Nope. Only one set of connections.
So are you saying to tee before the pump on the supply line , and another tee on the return just before it returns to the owb?
Rather than the two close tees on the existing return line we discussed previously?
So are you saying to tee before the pump on the supply line , and another tee on the return just before it returns to the owb?
Rather than the two close tees on the existing return line we discussed previously?
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 24, 2017, 07:29:29 AM »
Yoder...nope. Definitely dont want to reroute anything that is buried. I only commented it would likely be easier from a pumping point of view.
I wasnt planning on glycol anywhere.I dont have it now and my house has been heated this way a dozen years. I just make darn sure the fire stays lit and if the power goes out I run a generator to keep the water circulating. This is my only heat source so a generator is always on standby incase of power outage.
Yoder you are correct in that the rehau is already buried between the owb and the building and also between buildings. I did this when the buildings were being built, knowing this day would come. Ive not heard of standpipes yet so I will do some reading to get educated on that possibility.
I wasnt planning on glycol anywhere.I dont have it now and my house has been heated this way a dozen years. I just make darn sure the fire stays lit and if the power goes out I run a generator to keep the water circulating. This is my only heat source so a generator is always on standby incase of power outage.
Yoder you are correct in that the rehau is already buried between the owb and the building and also between buildings. I did this when the buildings were being built, knowing this day would come. Ive not heard of standpipes yet so I will do some reading to get educated on that possibility.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 23, 2017, 02:26:43 PM »
Mlappin what the missus says won't be a concern. I wear the pants in this house. 
Gee . For a second there I thought she was going to see what I wrote......
Seriously though I have full authority in the outbuildings. She uses the term " permission" but you know how it is.
E Yoder I tried to post a picture of my situation but can't for some reason. Basically my wood doctor is 125 feet from my house. Towards the house about 15 feet from the owb is building no 1. Further towards the house another 20 ft is building no 2.
It would likely be easier to branch off the house and feed building no 2 , then no 1 , then return to the owb but the house lines are buried and have a huge deck now built on top of them. For that reason ,I'd just as soon leave them alone unless there is a compelling reason to change things.
Gee . For a second there I thought she was going to see what I wrote......
Seriously though I have full authority in the outbuildings. She uses the term " permission" but you know how it is.
E Yoder I tried to post a picture of my situation but can't for some reason. Basically my wood doctor is 125 feet from my house. Towards the house about 15 feet from the owb is building no 1. Further towards the house another 20 ft is building no 2.
It would likely be easier to branch off the house and feed building no 2 , then no 1 , then return to the owb but the house lines are buried and have a huge deck now built on top of them. For that reason ,I'd just as soon leave them alone unless there is a compelling reason to change things.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 23, 2017, 11:04:32 AM »Are we giving too many options yet ? Chuckle.
There is a fine line between enough info to really help, and then a bit more makes mud of clear water. I havent reached the muddy water stage yet. lol
I was going to get this building operating and worry about the second garage in the future but then im thinking I may end up having to change everything to do the second one.
While Im plumbing the building ive been asking about, is there anything I should add or do now to make garage no 2 easier to plumb in the future? It has infloor as well and a second floor too.
Perhaps I should give a list of some things I have in case any of it spurs some ideas.
Grundfos pumps.....two 26-99's , one 15-42 and one 15-58. All were bought " in case" I may need them from classifieds.
Many feet of old style baseboard.
Three cast iron rads of various size
Two new, never used school type radiators with the slanted top
These were mostly bought at very low prices just incase I would need them. I have little money invested in any of it , so if its no use to me its not a huge concern.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 22, 2017, 06:56:30 AM »
Good gawd I may actually be starting to get this figured out. So the plate exchanger will isolate the water in the boiler from the glycol mix to the garage. Even if I don't use glycol this is an option. In the event of a power outage I have to hook up a generator for the house heat anyway because it is only water.
Putting two tees in back of the boiler is definitely easier as I wouldn't have to mess with the pump setup. There is very little room to work back there. So two tees in back of the boiler, on my return from the house. In the garage I would add a second pump to get water to the second level, thru the air handler, then back to the boiler. In the future I can put another pair of tees before it returns to the boiler and using a mixing valve, supply the slab.
I appreciate all the input guys. I was born without anything resembling a plumbing gene.
One of these days I'll mention a second garage with a heated slab that I will be hooking up too....
Putting two tees in back of the boiler is definitely easier as I wouldn't have to mess with the pump setup. There is very little room to work back there. So two tees in back of the boiler, on my return from the house. In the garage I would add a second pump to get water to the second level, thru the air handler, then back to the boiler. In the future I can put another pair of tees before it returns to the boiler and using a mixing valve, supply the slab.
I appreciate all the input guys. I was born without anything resembling a plumbing gene.
One of these days I'll mention a second garage with a heated slab that I will be hooking up too....
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 21, 2017, 06:34:14 AM »
Thanks for the input guys. I think maybe I will wait until I shut down the boiler for the summer and then see if I can squeeze another pump in the back of it.
So if I'm understanding correctly, I will TEE off the main inlet and outlet and run a totally separate circuit for the new building.
Any thoughts on whether I should use a separate water tank for heating the new area? I considered heating a 100 gal tank with a sidearm or plate exchanger , and then circulating that water in the building thru the radiant slab and a water to air unit on the second level.
The second building will only see occasional use so heating would be minimal.
So if I'm understanding correctly, I will TEE off the main inlet and outlet and run a totally separate circuit for the new building.
Any thoughts on whether I should use a separate water tank for heating the new area? I considered heating a 100 gal tank with a sidearm or plate exchanger , and then circulating that water in the building thru the radiant slab and a water to air unit on the second level.
The second building will only see occasional use so heating would be minimal.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 20, 2017, 07:02:05 PM »
Okay its making sense to me. What are the thoughts on pulling the water about 20 ft rather than pushing it? Its awfully tight in back of the boiler.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 20, 2017, 03:29:22 PM »
Sometimes a picture goes a long way.
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Plumbing / Re: ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 20, 2017, 03:08:29 PM »
Ive had no issues with the side arm as it is currently hooked up so I wont likely change it. I have seen that mentioned in past posts and debated doing it .Maybe if I ever upgrade those leaky kitek fittings I will.
There is precious little room in the back of the boiler for another pump. If I can squeeze a T in before the pump for the house, would a pump pull the 20 feet from the boiler to inside the building? Or should I make room for another pump so it can push?
There is precious little room in the back of the boiler for another pump. If I can squeeze a T in before the pump for the house, would a pump pull the 20 feet from the boiler to inside the building? Or should I make room for another pump so it can push?
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Plumbing / ready for some help with expansion
« on: February 20, 2017, 08:28:26 AM »
Ive been doing lots of reading , trying to answer my own questions but could sure use some experienced input.
Currently my wood doctor (medium size, 250000 btu, 150 gal ) is serving only my house but I want to add heat to my garage. My set up as it is now : OWF 125 feet from house fed by 1 in. kitek inground. There is a grundfos UP 15-42 at the owf pumping hot water 125 ft into a 20 in x 20 in water to air exchanger in my oil furnace plenum. From there to a 48 in sidearm for dhw and then returns to the boiler thru another 1 in kitek pipe.
My thoughts are this: Id like to add a secondary circuit by adding a pair of Ts at the very end of the return line. I currently have rehau insulated 1in pex buried beside the boiler and running into the building I want to heat. The distance is 20 ft from the boiler to the inside of the building. Once in the building I would take water to the second floor into a Trane water to air unit. My thoughts are to then take the return from the trane to feed my infloor heated slab and from there return to boiler.
I have a 100 gal insulated tank that I can use if the consensus is to keep my boiler water separate from the building water. Perhaps I could just use the new piping from the OWF to heat a sidearm ( or flatplate exchanger) which would then heat the 100 gal tank, and then plumb from the tank in the building to both the infloor and the trane unit upstairs.
I have 2-3 spare grundfos pumps if that factors in.
My current setup as described at first has been running with no issues for 12-13 years. My return temperature to the boiler is only 15-20 degrees colder than the supply, so Im guessing 160-170 degrees. I have not measured this temperature but it feels almost as hot as the supply line beside it.This is what I propose sending to the new secondary circuit.
If you havent realized it yet, I am plumbing challenged but hopefully have explained my setup enough that more knowledgable people can steer me in the right direction.
A couple considerations.... my boiler is nearly level with my furnace plenum in the original primary circuit , only 125 ft away.
Also the slab in the building I want to add heat to is level with the ground the OWB is sitting on. The vertical rise to get water to the trane unit on the second floor is about 16 ft.
Currently my wood doctor (medium size, 250000 btu, 150 gal ) is serving only my house but I want to add heat to my garage. My set up as it is now : OWF 125 feet from house fed by 1 in. kitek inground. There is a grundfos UP 15-42 at the owf pumping hot water 125 ft into a 20 in x 20 in water to air exchanger in my oil furnace plenum. From there to a 48 in sidearm for dhw and then returns to the boiler thru another 1 in kitek pipe.
My thoughts are this: Id like to add a secondary circuit by adding a pair of Ts at the very end of the return line. I currently have rehau insulated 1in pex buried beside the boiler and running into the building I want to heat. The distance is 20 ft from the boiler to the inside of the building. Once in the building I would take water to the second floor into a Trane water to air unit. My thoughts are to then take the return from the trane to feed my infloor heated slab and from there return to boiler.
I have a 100 gal insulated tank that I can use if the consensus is to keep my boiler water separate from the building water. Perhaps I could just use the new piping from the OWF to heat a sidearm ( or flatplate exchanger) which would then heat the 100 gal tank, and then plumb from the tank in the building to both the infloor and the trane unit upstairs.
I have 2-3 spare grundfos pumps if that factors in.
My current setup as described at first has been running with no issues for 12-13 years. My return temperature to the boiler is only 15-20 degrees colder than the supply, so Im guessing 160-170 degrees. I have not measured this temperature but it feels almost as hot as the supply line beside it.This is what I propose sending to the new secondary circuit.
If you havent realized it yet, I am plumbing challenged but hopefully have explained my setup enough that more knowledgable people can steer me in the right direction.
A couple considerations.... my boiler is nearly level with my furnace plenum in the original primary circuit , only 125 ft away.
Also the slab in the building I want to add heat to is level with the ground the OWB is sitting on. The vertical rise to get water to the trane unit on the second floor is about 16 ft.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: just wanting to say g'day
« on: February 16, 2017, 02:04:29 PM »
Thanks for the welcome guys.
Roger winter has been great up until a few weeks ago. We got an ice storm that had some parts of the province without power for over a week and some even two weeks. That was followed by 3 heavy storms in about a week and each one was/is bad enough to force road and highway closures. I'm in the middle of the third storm right now. Darn close to 2 feet each storm plus drifts up to 5-6 feet in places. Its an old fashioned NB winter.
Slimjim its the medium sized wood doctor. 250000 btu , 150 gal
Roger winter has been great up until a few weeks ago. We got an ice storm that had some parts of the province without power for over a week and some even two weeks. That was followed by 3 heavy storms in about a week and each one was/is bad enough to force road and highway closures. I'm in the middle of the third storm right now. Darn close to 2 feet each storm plus drifts up to 5-6 feet in places. Its an old fashioned NB winter.
Slimjim its the medium sized wood doctor. 250000 btu , 150 gal
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / just wanting to say g'day
« on: February 15, 2017, 12:02:17 PM »
Hi guys. I've been reading everything I can on this site, trying to educate myself a bit. I've read so much input from some of you I figured I should say " HI" and thanks for all the great info regarding OWF's.
My boiler is one of those wooddoctor deals. Its on its 12 or 13th heating season and so far only one leak which I was able to weld myself. Mine is boiler plate.
I have some questions about adding to my system but I'm going to read more just incase I can answer my own questions. From the responses I am seeing there is a heck of a lot of knowledge here. I find 3-4 hours flyby when I start following relevant posts.
Oh.........my name is Mark and I'm from NewBrunswick, Canada. Just outside Moncton which, by the end of the day tomorrow, just might be snow capital of the whole freakin' world.
My boiler is one of those wooddoctor deals. Its on its 12 or 13th heating season and so far only one leak which I was able to weld myself. Mine is boiler plate.
I have some questions about adding to my system but I'm going to read more just incase I can answer my own questions. From the responses I am seeing there is a heck of a lot of knowledge here. I find 3-4 hours flyby when I start following relevant posts.
Oh.........my name is Mark and I'm from NewBrunswick, Canada. Just outside Moncton which, by the end of the day tomorrow, just might be snow capital of the whole freakin' world.
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