Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: tinfoilhat2020 on January 03, 2019, 08:52:44 PM
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wow, this forum has really dropped off. do you think it is mostly because of other wood burning groups on FB?
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I don't use FB for groups like that. I like forums better. Not sure why it's so slow around here though. Seems like forums get slow after a while.
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I'm thinking it's FB. But I'm not switching.
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The traffic on FB is very strong. Unfortunately forums like this one suffer. People left here because some of the personal attacks were becoming vicious, so they went to FB. Now they're becoming vicious on FB. You can't get away from it. Roger
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Wouldn't it be nice is FB fell into the abyss and folks were awakened to what it really is.
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I am still here but not much going on, mild winter for me , we are getting alot of rain and 40 to 60, temperatures
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This isn’t the only forum I moderate/help moderate. Other forums as well are slow from the proliferation/infestation of FaceBook groups/pages.
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I am not on Facebook. I think there's not many of us left?
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I’m still around but the one and only moderator has to approve all my posts so I don’t upset anyone.
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I’m still around but the one and only moderator has to approve all my posts so I don’t upset anyone.
Yep, and it will continue as I see you can’t go for more than a few days on Facebook without antagonizing another user.
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Just telling it like it is Marty, tune in tonight, I have some nice vids for you!
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Just telling it like it is Marty, tune in tonight, I have some nice vids for you!
Well gosh, don't hold back. Please share with everyone else
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What are these vids all about ?
Heat550
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Ummmn, I insulated my HeatMaster G 400 where they must have forgotten to at the factory.
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It's been a while since I dropped in.
Boy y'all are right.
Before you used to miss two days and you had 50 post to read
Just this fall i was around and there was traffic
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Is it just me or has this forum( that I so heavily promoted at one time )become like an infomercial?
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Far from it Slim. The last 6th months have been pretty productive. A few new faces, new issues brought up and resolved. Been pretty pleasant!
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An infomercial for what, exactly? Also where are those videos you promised?
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Well, it’s like this, we shall see if Marty allows it but those videos can be seen on my site on Facebook. They are pretty long so I don’t think they would load here anyway but feel free to come on over to
The TRUTH about Outdoor Wood Boilers. Marty is actually a member and I’m sure has seen them so if he chooses to share them on here then he is more than welcome.
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Well, it’s like this, we shall see if Marty allows it but those videos can be seen on my site on Facebook. They are pretty long so I don’t think they would load here anyway but feel free to come on over to
The TRUTH about Outdoor Wood Boilers. Marty is actually a member and I’m sure has seen them so if he chooses to share them on here then he is more than welcome.
Sorry, not a Facebook goer. Too much drama and nosy folks over there who don't seem to be in touch with reality. Is there a website we could see them on? Or at least give a hint of what makes them important to the outdoor furnace world?
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I am not on Facebook never was . I am happy right here
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Ha, funny... I thought I was the last guy on earth whose never been on facebook.
Looks like there's a couple other hold outs out there. :)
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I am gonna stay right here. Every problem I have had has been solved right here and sometimes I can help someone out . Checked out the facebook thing and its not for me.
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Facebook
Rant on
Yep. Between the drama queens ("the sky is falling" - again? That's three times - today!), the petting zoos/pity parties, and all the LAME folk, I just can't stand it. "waaahh, I had to wait four hours at the hospital to get my finger stitched (because I'm an idiot), don't know why they had to take the three heart attacks first", followed by 47 reply postings about how unfair it is, another 20 talking about all the lazy hospital staff, etc. etc. etc. Sheesh. The only time it was marginally useful this summer was when we had a marauding bear in the neighborhood, and even then it's only useful if people are already interconnected.
As for the LAMEs, they never change. "Look At ME, how wonderful I am" ad nauseam. I really don't care about the 25 pictures of you biking to work this morning. To me, it's just "Look at me, how lonely I am, I have to try and elicit votes on a Facebook page to build up my ego". One friend in particular never fails to ask us when we see him why we don't reply to his postings. He's been doing this for five years. DOH! Per my mother, if you don't have anything nice to say...
rant off.
I'll stay here, thanks. Kudos to the moderators.
Blair
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‘Nuther never-been-a-facespacer here. I don’t post much but still enjoy reading the content here every day.
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Facebook does have its uses. I have family spread from the Carolinas clear to the coast of California. The wife has family in the UK. Pretty easy to keep up with one another. Another use is before Christmas we have a closed group for my Dads side to try to set a date that the majority of us can show up to for Christmas dinner.
Other than that pretty much drama queens and BS.
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Lots more friendly for posting videos that tell the TRUE story though.
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Wow, 10 days in a cold snap in January and not a single new member, something isn’t right on here
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Wow, 10 days in a cold snap in January and not a single new member, something isn’t right on here
Facebook boiler groups are breaking a thousand members pretty quickly though, even the new ones.
Other online forums have dropped some traffic as well from the infestation of Facebook groups.
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Yes they are Marty, The Truth about Outdoor Wood Boilers is currently at almost 500 and moving forward in members every day, 4 years ago you had so many new members per day that you had to weed through them to get the spammers out. It might be time to make some changes to the site. I was contacted a few months ago about buying the site and at the same time asked what they could do to regain my trust and participation, number one on the list is that I don’t want to hear that you have more important things to do than discuss issues that I raise like you need to clip your toenails and pick your belly button lint!
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Wow, did you just release me from the bad boy box Marty?
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Yep. Many here are on FB groups. You get used to scrolling past the drama. I just sent a jeep FB group guy to a FB group and here to research boilers.
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It’s just a tool, how the individual chooses to use that knowledge is completely up to him
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Just approved five more this morning and now we are at 505 members who want the whole Truth.
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I found acouple on FB witch ones are the best. It's like Drama everywhere . I never knew outdoor boiler could have that much Drama
::) .
Heat550
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I would agree with the drama on Facebook BUT it’s from the boys who don’t like to hear the TRUTH, they want to spread gossip and when the facts are presented to them they simply block those telling the Truth, much like has happened right here, this is why there should in my opinion be more than one moderator, no moderators should be attached to a manufacturer and selling wood boilers, personally I feel that this is a big part of the reason for the dismal numbers here for the past few years. Let’s face it, Marty is a pretty decent guy but he sells for HeatMaster, he is the only moderator for this site, look at how issues with HeatMaster have been covered up over the past few years here and on Facebook, do you think it’s by chance? It seems to me that they are using the same tactics that Central Boiler did years ago! Do you want to know the facts or read advertisements from the same few folks selling the product?
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We could start a list of all the problems for each band 😎👍 my first shot would be centeral boiler . They can't seem to deside if stainless steel is good or bad now it's good lol.. they love selling new ones every 7-8 years lol . Everyone is on to them now so now there making stainless.
Or I could just be a confused consumer.😳😉 :thumbup: :bag:
Heat550
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I’m not disagreeing that they have in fact had their fair share of issues and have resorted to some pretty diengenuos sales tactics but it certainly seems to me that HeatMaster learned very well how to adopt those practices when it comes to hiding their issues.
Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of using these sites to troll, they all actually came on line and explained the issues and how to counter them before a customer drops down the cash?
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Sure looks like the only troll here is you, Slim. I don't know what you've got against Heatmaster or whatever but nobody cares. Notice how you've mostly been talking to yourself? Perhaps your attention could be better directed toward Facebook where all the traffic is
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Nope, not Trolling but I do wonder something Wreckit, what the heck did I ever do to you that you seem to have something against me?
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You are absolutely trolling. Everything you've said was a slam on either Heatmaster or Marty. Or me, since that lovely accusative message you sent me. Have you any useful input? Call me crazy, but I sure don't much care for some new guy with 10 posts attacking everyone he can get his hands on with absolutely nothing positive to offer. Why are you even here if all you're going to do is cry and try to drag people to spacebook?
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You might want to check your information there Wreckit, check the stats, I helped build this forums members list more than probably anyone on here over the many years and I angered your one and only moderator who happens to sell for the very same folks who screwed me by showing their faults with proof to back it up.
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You might want to check your information there Wreckit, check the stats, I helped build this forums members list more than probably anyone on here over the many years and I angered your one and only moderator who happens to sell for the very same folks who screwed me by showing their faults with proof to back it up.
And you’re wrong again, I’m not the only moderator, I am however the only moderator that regularly logs in, regularly goes thru all the new accounts that signed up with 99.9% of them being spam and help people with other issues they might be having. I do all that in my “spare” time.
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Really Marty, those other 2 guys that you took over for haven’t been active in years have they, perhaps some new blood might help move the forum forward?
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Anyone ever heard of the store "Sears"?
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Anyone ever heard of the store "Sears"?
Yup, Still in business!
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Were they a huge driving force at one point but people's habits changed and the new habits didn't include their brick and mortar stores?
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Sears use to sell entire house kits, shipped by your closest rail depot, you unloaded it and assembled it. Included plumbing, heating and electric. We still have some Sears houses in the area.
Don’t forget Sears used to sell farm equipment and guns thru their printed catalog.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/searsmodernhomes/
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Yup, I live in one! Built in 1904. Too bad their insulation standards weren't what they are today. Burn wood!
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That is cool jreimer.
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Hooked up a furnace to a Sears kit house some years back, had the original oil boiler with the original B&G pump, been running all this time. Needed a few drops of oil yearly but that's pretty good..
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Wow, it really pains me, 4 years ago this forum had a long list of questions and comments every morning during this time of the season, I could spend hours reading, learning and teaching, I’m thinking that it’s not JUST Facebook that’s affectected the activity but perhaps the members and or moderators who have driven the traffic away?
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Yeah, we need some good positive content posted every day. I've been so busy I've kinda let the forums slide.
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Me too Eldon!
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For those too dense to listen.
https://www.quora.com/Has-the-internet-forum-been-replaced-by-Facebook-groups
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-time-for-forums-over-Are-forums-still-a-good-way-of-collecting-feedback-and-answering-Are-there-any-forums-you-still-use
https://www.adweek.com/digital/the-25-facebok-groups-with-over-1-million-members/
Now, if this site was as convenient to use as Facebook that would be a huge plus, but posting pictures here isn’t near as easy as Facebook, having a private instantaneous conversation here isn’t possible, course also can’t even get a like button with this forum software.
Now interestingly enough I also help moderate this one as well, https://www.haytalk.com/forums/
7 new topics this morning and five more since. But they are mainly ag folk that hate Facebook with a passion. Also tolerate zero BS on that forum.
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Ouch! I didn’t mean to anger you Marty! How was your trip?
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Just pointing out a fact.
Dylans group on Facebook has a thousand members already in barely more than a year. Given that Facebook is more user friendly than the forum software here why wouldn’t they get there info there if its the same people sharing the info there as here?
Pretty country, way too much government intrusion into peoples daily lives.
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It perplexes me as to why folks still worship the evil beast (facebook) after all the truth which has emerged over the past several years. Without even searching, the truth is plain as day. Even if you do not have an account, it still tracks you, heck look what is happening with China's social credit system. We will be there in a few short years if Americans continue to submit and surrender every facet of their privacy for convenience and freedom for security.
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In other news I am manufacturing tin foil hats for sale. Anyone need a replacement for their current one?
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Do they help with the reception on your phony phone there Jonathan?
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It perplexes me as to why folks still worship the evil beast (facebook) after all the truth which has emerged over the past several years. Without even searching, the truth is plain as day. Even if you do not have an account, it still tracks you, heck look what is happening with China's social credit system. We will be there in a few short years if Americans continue to submit and surrender every facet of their privacy for convenience and freedom for security.
Googles just as bad or worse, they save all your searches for starters. I use DuckDuckGo, so far they don’t save data.
Amazons getting pretty bad, buy one thing and all of a sudden you’re flooded with recommendations.
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Interestingly, the hearth forum is still pretty steady, but is easy to post pictures and such. This pic of our fun in the mud (how to set a stove?) took me a couple minutes to resize and post. A updated format would do wonders I think.
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I’ve offered to buy and upgrade the site, but seems difficult to engage actual owner of this site.
The Facebook sites turn many folks into idiots.
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Whomever owns the site is very secretive, I wonder why?
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Not what i expected to come back to. Kinda stinks having to wait for someone to approve your posts.
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Whomever owns the site is very secretive, I wonder why?
/sigh. Has nothing do with being “secretive” nor is a conspiracy. From all I can gather its owned by a ‘trust’ and they have a representative that’s the actual admin here. When we needed more space so pictures wouldn’t be deleted anymore, he had to have the added expense approved by the ‘trustees’. From what I can gather the ‘admin’ is active military as I’ve had it take up to six months sometimes before I get a response to a message to him.
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Well perhaps they might want to think about selling it to MD 20-20 then, they offered it to me but I’m not at all interested in a group that had it all and now is struggling to stay competitive. Trust or no Trust, I see no reason for the secrecy of the owners or Admin and that’s what leads me to believe that a manufacturer actually owns the site, I may be wrong but I don’t think so!
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Gettttttt your tin foil hats. Rightttttt here. Righhhhtttt here. Step right up and get your tin foil hat. LOL you were “offered” the site? Yeah right. Neal, your first ten posts have always needed approval to post for spamming purposes. After 10 posts you are all set.
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With all the money you make promoting your tin foil hats, YOU should buy the forum and then it could really excell in Becoming a bonifide HeatMaster ad site.
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The problem is that I only have one prospective customer and he hasn't replaced his yet.
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Well perhaps they might want to think about selling it to MD 20-20 then, they offered it to me but I’m not at all interested in a group that had it all and now is struggling to stay competitive. Trust or no Trust, I see no reason for the secrecy of the owners or Admin and that’s what leads me to believe that a manufacturer actually owns the site, I may be wrong but I don’t think so!
Being a trust runs it/owns it or whatever, I imagine since it's only costing them money in the long run since their is zero advertising, they aren’t going to bend over backwards responding to issues on the site, it’s not like they are gonna get fired or anything.
Yes, man actually landed on the moon. That or the russians and chinese are also in on the hoax.
There was only one shooter for the JFK assassination.
The world is NOT flat.
You really need to find a new hobby other than making up conspiracies.
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You don’t Iike me much do you Marty?
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You don’t Iike me much do you Marty?
Not when we get to rehash the same ole things over and over, its tiresome.
I believe I’ve explained the several times in the past why it takes so long to get anything done that requires the actual admin of the site to do. I’m a moderator, not the admin, the admin is the only one who can increase space for pictures, update or change the software, add a “like” button, etc.
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Look back sir, your good buddy Dylan Knapp started this thread not me! I just find it a real shame that YOU have chosen the path to be the dictator in chief, the only active moderator and have manipulated information about one brand that had issues and still does but YOU made the trip out east in an attempt to bash another brand. This site used to be a very good source of information until you starting putting me into the bad boy box for showing the Truth because it hurt HeatMaster.
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Look back sir, your good buddy Dylan Knapp started this thread not me! I just find it a real shame that YOU have chosen the path to be the dictator in chief, the only active moderator and have manipulated information about one brand that had issues and still does but YOU made the trip out east in an attempt to bash another brand. This site used to be a very good source of information until you starting putting me into the bad boy box for showing the Truth because it hurt HeatMaster.
I made the trip out east to solve a problem for a fellow boiler owner that the company and a supposed world class tech missed and then proceeded to slander the boiler owner instead of replacing it under their already weak 2 year replacement guarantee. I never posted one word or took a side till I made the trip at the expense of my time and finances and then I made a decision on the matter after being able to see it with my own eyes and get my own hands on it. I imagine it was more of the company wanting to drag it out past the two year free replacement guarantee while the supposed expert backed em up on the whole fiasco. I’ve not bashed the other brand whatsoever, I’ve not posted one video of it taking forever to reach temp, then continue to dribble smoke out for hours after it finally shut off.Then we fixed the few minor issues in the residence that the so called expert blamed for most of the issues. Seems the so called expert is also a hypocrite, posts do seem to completely disappear if he don’t like em on his little facebook group.
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There is never going to be a winning side to this historical story. Both sides are so entrenched that there will never be resolution and agreement. Everyone has and will have problems with their stoves both in the past and in the future. Can we agree to bury this into the deepest mineshaft and move on to positively helping each other? If you think this rant applies to the "other guys" you're wrong. Grab a mirror and that is who it applies to. We're all guilty of something in our lives and we can all be better with a little forgiveness. If you simply have no self control and can't contain yourselves, at least be courteous and leave it on facebook where I'm not watching.
This has given me cancer and I'm done.
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Wow, unfounded accusations against a moderator? Sounds like someone needs a boot.
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??? I'm not accusing anyone in particular, I'm calling us all out to be better people. I'm sure I am guilty too sometimes, but this recurring negative mud slinging has made me very tired. Feel free to boot me out if you feel I'm out of line for expressing my frustrations with the on-going feud, but I can't be the only one tired of the drama, and I think we're all better than this.
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??? I'm not accusing anyone in particular, I'm calling us all out to be better people. I'm sure I am guilty too sometimes, but this recurring negative mud slinging has made me very tired. Feel free to boot me out if you feel I'm out of line for expressing my frustrations with the on-going feud, but I can't be the only one tired of the drama, and I think we're all better than this.
I agree whole heartedly, I’d love to just drop the entire thing.
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Can we just call a spade a spade? There is only ONE PERSON THAT IS AN ISSUE.
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Can we just call a spade a spade? There is only ONE PERSON THAT IS AN ISSUE.
Do your comments deescalate the situation?
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I am not the problem, no need for me to care about attempting to "deescalate" the problem child. He can run his own life and make his own bed.
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LOL this is turning in to facebook. I am just glad everyone is here whether it is a bustling forum still or not. I think a lot of the new stoves took care off many of the old problems. People got educated on some of the more common crap that happens.
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LOL this is turning in to facebook. I am just glad everyone is here whether it is a bustling forum still or not. I think a lot of the new stoves took care off many of the old problems. People got educated on some of the more common crap that happens.
Notice it wasn't dramatic at all until ONE person showed up with some sort of vendetta? While at the same time that ONE person is promoting a Facebook page? Coincidence?
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Slim you need mental help my man
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??? I'm not accusing anyone in particular, I'm calling us all out to be better people. I'm sure I am guilty too sometimes, but this recurring negative mud slinging has made me very tired. Feel free to boot me out if you feel I'm out of line for expressing my frustrations with the on-going feud, but I can't be the only one tired of the drama, and I think we're all better than this.
Agree, am thoroughly tired of it.
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I see one common denominator
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Forum is dead. Bury it.
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Yes it is, it’s also for sale but I’m thinking that there aren’t to many folks lining up with cash to save it.
It really is to bad, a lot of us devoted a lot of time and effort into making it a great site, I gave up when Marty and I had our differences about HeatMaster on here and he booted me for showing facts about them.
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Yes it is, it’s also for sale but I’m thinking that there aren’t to many folks lining up with cash to save it.
It really is to bad, a lot of us devoted a lot of time and effort into making it a great site, I gave up when Marty and I had our differences about HeatMaster on here and he booted me for showing facts about them.
You were booted for breaking the rules that everybody else seems able to follow.
http://outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com/forum/index.php?topic=9186.0
"By continued posting on this site you hereby agree to the above terms and will abide by them, if you feel you cannot for any reason abide by the above terms then please delete your account now.”
You continued to use the site therefore agreed to the rules.
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Jebus, still going huh? Rules are simple- follow them or get gone. I don't know who Marty is or what the Heatmaster disagreement is about, but it sure sounds petty. Pack up your crusty balls and move on Slim, fuss about something worthwhile instead of a forum that is garbage according to you.