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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / after 4hrs

« on: March 06, 2014, 09:44:43 AM »

Tossed a snow mound against my 3 wrap double tiled pipe this morning and took another pic 4hrs later. No sign of any melt . site won't let me load the pics.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: My wood furnace was a mistake/ Intro

« on: March 05, 2014, 11:44:10 AM »

I'm not a fan of the elevated grate design. To me it would be hard to build a good coal bed which is probably affecting your burn times.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: My wood furnace was a mistake/ Intro

« on: March 04, 2014, 07:30:48 PM »

My stove is 228 gallons just heating 1800sq ft ranch and hot water and I've never had a issue. I'd be curious if you are losing a lot of heat from your underground pipe. I'd start by checking your temps from the stove supply line and where that same pipe enters your home.

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RidgeWood Stoves, defunct, support only / Re: draft door stuck open

« on: March 04, 2014, 07:26:27 PM »

I would be demanding a new replacement stove.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: My wood furnace was a mistake/ Intro

« on: March 04, 2014, 07:22:38 PM »

Where the heck is your door rope seal? Geesh

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: My wood furnace was a mistake/ Intro

« on: March 04, 2014, 07:19:11 PM »

That chimney cap looks plugged up. Remove that stupid thing and see if a good clean draft helps your burn times.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: is this legit info or bs?

« on: March 04, 2014, 07:15:27 PM »

I have been getting 16hr burns plus in our recent weather here in Michigan.  Stove is set at 165-180 and home is 70 degrees around the clock also indoor humidity is tight to 40%. Stove sets 60ft from house using zsupply 3 wrap double tile and getting the same temp coming off my stove pump as my pipe as it enters the basement. I will be the first one to call this pipe a bluff but so far it is holding its own for a tile type insulated pipe. Like I said before if I start using more wood and notice temp changes between the stove and house I will gladly dig it up and post pics of the failure. Until then I think the owner of zsupply is so far a man of his word.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: too big?

« on: March 03, 2014, 03:51:54 PM »

Ridgewood brotha.

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Tennessee Outdoor Furnaces / Re: How cold is it

« on: March 02, 2014, 08:34:28 PM »

What set temp do you guys run on those stoves?

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: too big?

« on: March 01, 2014, 07:36:05 PM »

Its better to have a little more than what's needed in many situations.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: is this legit info or bs?

« on: March 01, 2014, 07:34:39 PM »

With good pipe extra sleeving isn't necessary, and if the extra sleeve isn't 100% water tight it can hold water. Which is just as bad as very wet soil. All an extra layer of drain tile is good for is bad backfill conditions. Zero drain tile on the market was ever intended on being watertight, hence the reason we use it. For drainage. The ztile is more than just drain tile and far less likely to crack OR crush like the black tile alone. I have not come across a root compromised ztile but I have seen lots of the other. I wouldn't waste time and money with more tile, PVC, SDR or homemade is where any extra gain will come from. Spray foam kits wouldn't be so expensive if it weren't for the EPA regs and building your own would be just like running potable water mains. Stretching and pulling drain tile??? Might wanna. Test first, if you read the specs, it doesn't have ANY strength till it's buried. Our current drain tile with white PVC jacket says 3000psi crush strength, but that's only when properly bedded and backfiled to the ASTM specs.

Victor you might be a good test consumer for the forum. All we would need is an accurate flow measurement ( flow meter / calefi quick setter, zurn, Johnson control type),  pretty close footage measurement, and good temp readings.  The zpipe is probably the best of the foil wrap types and it has its place for those that can't budget the high dollar pipe. That goes for any part of the system as well. We would all love to buy the top of the line, I just don't like when I get a customer that was sold on the fact that its as good or better, it's just not a cheap component to have to repair.

Whether snow melts on yours or not all depends on the depth, soil moisture , frost line etc. Not everyone can view the pipe thru an infrared camera.

If I do a YouTube video and the pipe doesn't hold to spec can I get a refund so I can buy logstor?

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: is this legit info or bs?

« on: March 01, 2014, 07:18:22 PM »

http://www.urecon.com/documents/pdfs/brochures/Urecon_PEX-Flex.pdf

Notice the temp changes with different velocity? 5gpm thru .875" is almost double the velocity as 5gpm thru 1"PAP. Faster velocity hides temp loss.

Let's say it this way, when fluid travels at the same velocity/speed and data is collected, the results look a lot different. But as you can see the logstor numbers are already there and can't get any clearer. Can't skew that data, nope no way to twist it.

Well if you don't wanna pay for ASTM labels, that doesn't stop you from posting the exact same test data criteria. You know so everyone can compare apples identically. But let me guess somebody figured out a better way to report test data than the hydronic industry norm. For btu/temp loss thru piping.

As far as High Q installer, I'm gonna guess that the thermopex didn't fail, but installation methods did. There's only so many ways to make that casing split, and other than a knife, I'd have to guess there was a leak from the fittings that compromised the the pipe and froze. I've seen that several times.

I'm waiting for Scotts reply.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: is this legit info or bs?

« on: March 01, 2014, 05:53:08 PM »

Either way I am getting 16hr burns on negative degree nights so the zpipe is good enough for me. If I do start using more wood or change pipe out to logstor in the future it would be sweet if I could pull it through the 5 inch tile. I don't really see how a thin amount of foam can make that big of a difference just my opinion. I think it has to do with the durability of the outer covering. I could see condensation forming on silver wrap or foam if the situation arises. Is the air space the creator of condensation? It very well could be. If my pipe is losing that much heat wouldn't I have some melted soil at grade level that is tight to my pipe going up into the stove? If so the ground is just as frozen around the pipe as elsewhere.l

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: is this legit info or bs?

« on: March 01, 2014, 10:02:57 AM »

I'll probably go with z-supply 3 wrap when I replace mine. Originally I placed a 4 inch pipe inside a six inch pipe with all the insulation I could wrap around the 4 and still get it to slide inside the 6.

I'll have to dig the corners up to get the 4 inch out of them then use rubber couplers with stainless clamps to reassemble. I'd love to go with the 5 wrap instead but I think trying to get 5 inch tile to slide inside a hundred foot of 6 inch thats already buried could be futile at best.

Chinese fingers and a wire pulling machine and some lube.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: is this legit info or bs?

« on: February 28, 2014, 08:33:02 PM »

I went with the 3 wrap double tiled from zsupply and am very impressed. Just wanted to see what others thought of his product.