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Shaver Furnace / Re: Shaver owners with problems Please READ!
« on: February 13, 2014, 05:53:42 AM »
I purchased and installed my OWF 5 years ago, they had no rust blocker then, they recommended A-200 ( I called Weld-rite and this was their recommendation) from Alternative Heat Supply.
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Shaver Furnace / Shaver owners with problems Please READ!
« on: February 12, 2014, 04:05:22 AM »
If your like me you bought a Shaver for price and simplicity. After a few years you find that poor quality and workmanship leads to misery and regret for you.
Like many others, you go out to put wood in you heater and find water steaming out the top or bottom. You say "O Crap", you grab your manual with Weld-Rite's phone number, you look at the warranty, you think alright its covered. You call Weld-Rite only to get a run around and finally told "you have no warranty because you didn't send water samples to an independent lab for analysis". No place in their warranty did it say you need water test from a lab.
I think its time we fight back. Here is a couple of links, First one is to the Arkansas Attorney General, and the second is the Arkansas Better Business Bureau. If enough complaints come in maybe these guys will be investigated.
http://www.ag.arkansas.gov/file-a-consumer-complaint/
http://arkansas.bbb.org/Business-Complaints/
Like many others, you go out to put wood in you heater and find water steaming out the top or bottom. You say "O Crap", you grab your manual with Weld-Rite's phone number, you look at the warranty, you think alright its covered. You call Weld-Rite only to get a run around and finally told "you have no warranty because you didn't send water samples to an independent lab for analysis". No place in their warranty did it say you need water test from a lab.
I think its time we fight back. Here is a couple of links, First one is to the Arkansas Attorney General, and the second is the Arkansas Better Business Bureau. If enough complaints come in maybe these guys will be investigated.
http://www.ag.arkansas.gov/file-a-consumer-complaint/
http://arkansas.bbb.org/Business-Complaints/
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Shaver Furnace / Re: My Shaver Sucks!!!!!!
« on: February 12, 2014, 03:53:15 AM »
Thank you everyone for your comments and insight. I'm to the point of deciding whether to keep the shaver or not. If I do keep it I will probably take it apart this spring and do the following.
1. Remove the water jacket and scrap the whole water jacket.
2. Add holes to the back fire box support so water can circulate.
3. Re- route the flue so it goes horizontal in the water then turns up. Will have to add a clean-out flange or two.
4. Install proper legs on the unit so the underneath side can be insulated.
5. Put a new water jacket on probably out of Stainless Steel if I can talk the neighbor out of a half dozen sheets he has laying back behind his shed.
6. I will probably increase the size of the water jacket also, and design it so that the water jacket is completely full of water, no gap.
Or Go buy a WoodMaster or Central Boiler or something comparable. If I do buy new I will defiantly be looking for something with a 1/4" thick fire box. I don't know what I was thinking buying something with a 1/2" fire box. I've worked on, ran, and maintained High Pressure Steam Boilers for years. With steam you want thick steel. These are not pressure boilers, and I should have known better, they are simply a wood fired water heater, thinner steel equates to more efficient ( heat transfers to water before going up the flue).
1. Remove the water jacket and scrap the whole water jacket.
2. Add holes to the back fire box support so water can circulate.
3. Re- route the flue so it goes horizontal in the water then turns up. Will have to add a clean-out flange or two.
4. Install proper legs on the unit so the underneath side can be insulated.
5. Put a new water jacket on probably out of Stainless Steel if I can talk the neighbor out of a half dozen sheets he has laying back behind his shed.
6. I will probably increase the size of the water jacket also, and design it so that the water jacket is completely full of water, no gap.
Or Go buy a WoodMaster or Central Boiler or something comparable. If I do buy new I will defiantly be looking for something with a 1/4" thick fire box. I don't know what I was thinking buying something with a 1/2" fire box. I've worked on, ran, and maintained High Pressure Steam Boilers for years. With steam you want thick steel. These are not pressure boilers, and I should have known better, they are simply a wood fired water heater, thinner steel equates to more efficient ( heat transfers to water before going up the flue).
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Shaver Furnace / My Shaver Sucks!!!!!!
« on: January 30, 2014, 04:32:31 AM »
4 year old 165 top rusted out. Called Weld Rite, and I'm told that unless I can produce water sample results from a lab, no warranty. Well I've treated my Shaver with boiler treatment and water tested my self ever since I put this stove into use ( I'm Licensed Boiler Operator) I know a few things about boilers and how to operate them. No where in the warranty paper that came with my boiler did it say water samples had to be sent to a independent lab. I talked with my dealer he told me he has 5 boilers all sold the same time as was mine that the tops and bottoms have rusted out and Weld rite would not stand behind the boilers. Since then He told me that he told weld rite to shove it up their a*s and he is no longer a dealer for them.
So I tore into my boiler this last weekend. What a freaking Joke. A idiot must have designed this turd, or at minimum someone who has no concept fluid heat transfer.
1. First no-no the 6" head space in the water tank will not allow the metal to be protected from rust, the metal has to be immersed in water/boiler treatment to be protected this and inferior metal is why mine has rusted out. The water jacket should be full, all the way to the top.
2. You can not have the fire box end plates go completely out to the water jacket and get circulation and flow, this is why I can here mine boiling and yet only get 140 deg water going out because I'm using the same damn water in the 5" space between the back of the water jacket and the fire box support plate.
3. Back tank cover....What can I say it doesn't fit, what a joke, you can not get to it, to properly seal it unless the roof is off the boiler.
I patched my back together, because of -10 weather coming, did add some 1" 90's and 24" nipple to get my supply water coming from the center of the water tank. I will make plans this summer to tear the whole piece of Sh*t down and build it right. I would not recommend this boiler to anyone, if your considering this boiler I would look else where. I past up a Central boiler because I thought they were too expensive, in the long run now, It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper.
So I tore into my boiler this last weekend. What a freaking Joke. A idiot must have designed this turd, or at minimum someone who has no concept fluid heat transfer.
1. First no-no the 6" head space in the water tank will not allow the metal to be protected from rust, the metal has to be immersed in water/boiler treatment to be protected this and inferior metal is why mine has rusted out. The water jacket should be full, all the way to the top.
2. You can not have the fire box end plates go completely out to the water jacket and get circulation and flow, this is why I can here mine boiling and yet only get 140 deg water going out because I'm using the same damn water in the 5" space between the back of the water jacket and the fire box support plate.
3. Back tank cover....What can I say it doesn't fit, what a joke, you can not get to it, to properly seal it unless the roof is off the boiler.
I patched my back together, because of -10 weather coming, did add some 1" 90's and 24" nipple to get my supply water coming from the center of the water tank. I will make plans this summer to tear the whole piece of Sh*t down and build it right. I would not recommend this boiler to anyone, if your considering this boiler I would look else where. I past up a Central boiler because I thought they were too expensive, in the long run now, It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper.
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