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Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => Crown Royal => Topic started by: millson on May 29, 2012, 06:00:19 AM

Title: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on May 29, 2012, 06:00:19 AM
 I own a Crown royal CR7400 OWB for the last four years. It has developed leaks along both walls of the ash tray compartment 1 1/2 inch below the shaker Grates. Has any other Crown Royal owner seen this with their stoves? >:(
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: MattyNH on June 01, 2012, 07:23:27 PM
Well according to there web sight there is a 20 yr. limited warranty..Being only 4 yrs. old. I would think your 100% covered unless there's abuse/ lack of maintenance..That would be the loop hole of them not covering you
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on June 26, 2012, 05:30:52 PM
This is my leaking Crown Royal OWB Boiler Stove after just four years. Inside weld along the side wall of the ash pan compartment.

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Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on June 26, 2012, 05:33:53 PM
This is my leaking Crown Royal OWB Boiler Stove after just four years. Inside weld along the side wall of the ash pan compartment.
There are about 10 or more of these holes along the welds located inside the side walls of the ash pan compartment.
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on June 26, 2012, 05:36:07 PM
I own a Crown royal CR7400 OWB for the last four years. It has developed leaks along both walls of the ash tray compartment 1 1/2 inch below the shaker Grates. Has any other Crown Royal owner seen this with their stoves? >:(

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Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on June 26, 2012, 05:36:52 PM
I own a Crown royal CR7400 OWB for the last four years. It has developed leaks along both walls of the ash tray compartment 1 1/2 inch below the shaker Grates. Has any other Crown Royal owner seen this with their stoves? >:(
Exterior weld after four years.
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on June 26, 2012, 05:38:36 PM
I own a Crown royal CR7400 OWB for the last four years. It has developed leaks along both walls of the ash tray compartment 1 1/2 inch below the shaker Grates. Has any other Crown Royal owner seen this with their stoves? >:(

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Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: millson on June 26, 2012, 05:39:51 PM
I own a Crown royal CR7400 OWB for the last four years. It has developed leaks along both walls of the ash tray compartment 1 1/2 inch below the shaker Grates. Has any other Crown Royal owner seen this with their stoves? >:(

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Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: Bull on June 27, 2012, 08:46:40 AM
How thick is the metal on this stove? What did the dealer say about this? Are they going to cover it?
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: Scott7m on August 16, 2012, 09:38:53 AM
Bull it's likely 10 gauge 409

As far as the holes, that's a bad place for them to occur.  Have you seen any moisture in your ash pan before?

What kind of chemical do you use?
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: WMSmoke on October 29, 2012, 03:50:47 AM
I have a Crown Royal 7300 and I am seeing moisture at the ash door. This unit has only been through 1 season of burning. I just started a fire in it two day's ago. I am going to contact the manufacturer today. I am not happy. I thought at first it was condensation but it keeps coming. >:(
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: Scott7m on October 31, 2012, 10:00:12 AM
I have a Crown Royal 7300 and I am seeing moisture at the ash door. This unit has only been through 1 season of burning. I just started a fire in it two day's ago. I am going to contact the manufacturer today. I am not happy. I thought at first it was condensation but it keeps coming. >:(

Moisture at the sh door could very likely be condensation,but keep looking for a source
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: WMSmoke on November 03, 2012, 06:09:56 AM
Yes it is condensation I jumped the gun on this one. The good news is I have established a contact at the OEM. Very nice and knowledgeable. I have an 80' run to my house what is reasonable for heat loss between the boiler and house. I think I am seeing betwwen 6 and 10 degrees. I used the foil/foam triple wrap inside of corrugated pipe. Thanks for responding Scott.
 
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: willieG on November 03, 2012, 06:05:01 PM
Yes it is condensation I jumped the gun on this one. The good news is I have established a contact at the OEM. Very nice and knowledgeable. I have an 80' run to my house what is reasonable for heat loss between the boiler and house. I think I am seeing betwwen 6 and 10 degrees. I used the foil/foam triple wrap inside of corrugated pipe. Thanks for responding Scott.
if you are losing ten degrees (depending on gpm you are pumping) you could be losing half the heat it takes to likley heat your home

most installers will tell you they like to see your return water going back to yoru stove  (when your home is calling for heat) not more than - 20 degrees from the delivery temps. so if you lost that 20 to heat a home and you are losing 10 you are actually losing half the heat it takes to heat your home?

anyway 6 might be tolerable but ten is costing a lot of wood
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: RSI on November 03, 2012, 07:28:06 PM
Yes it is condensation I jumped the gun on this one. The good news is I have established a contact at the OEM. Very nice and knowledgeable. I have an 80' run to my house what is reasonable for heat loss between the boiler and house. I think I am seeing betwwen 6 and 10 degrees. I used the foil/foam triple wrap inside of corrugated pipe. Thanks for responding Scott.
The first thing to do is find out if your temperature readings are correct. Most of the time the thermometer in the house is just reading wrong.
The next is to find out roughly how fast the water is moving. If you are getting very little flow you will have a much higher temperature drop.
Another thing to consider is if you pex lines are touching together all the way underground, check the temper difference from the house back to the boiler and then average the temperature drop of the two. Some of the temp drop is actually going back into the boiler and not getting wasted.
Title: Re: Leaking Crown Royal OWB Stove Burner boiler
Post by: WMSmoke on November 19, 2012, 07:27:08 AM
Checked the Pex at the boiler and where it enters the house. I had several digital temp meters using type E thermocouples they took to long to settle out at temp. What I found to work well was a Fluke IR gun with laser pointer. I checked the whole circumference of the Pex tubes and found that hitting the Pex straight on in the center (avoiding the boiler tank behind it which skews the readings) gave me the most consistent readings. What I found after taking several readings is that I have a 2 degree temp. drop from the boiler to the house, also it looks like I am gaining about 1.5 degrees of return reheating from the supply line running next to it. This took some time but was well worth the effort and I have a better understanding now of what the system is doing. I also found that the maverick 732 remote temp setup I installed at the entrance of the house is about 3 to 4 degrees low. Fun stuff.