OK so Browncty, would you rather that those who make a living helping those who do not understand just sit back and let you bash them without even knowing them and at the same time you can describe your install that may or may not be right, your setup may not work for others, some people want more control others not so much, that is a choice that only the homeowner should make, the differing opinions on here are just that, there sometimes is confrontation, don't be disgruntled but please try to understand that your original post did bother some of us, you apologized and now it's forgotten, let's move on! Telling others coming on the forum that we get upset when you give your thoughts is just not right! Being upset and a spirited debate are 2 different things, Remember it's a forum, your comments are just as important to us as mine, Yoder's, Scott's, RSI's, Rogers or any other regulars, look at how we all rib Victor, that does not mean that he doesn't get a HUG every once in a while, he is absolutely part of the family, outcast maybe but still part of the family, Love ya Victor!!