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Fire Wood / Re: would it be worth it?
« on: February 25, 2015, 04:40:11 AM »
My question is why wouldn't it be worth it? 

You can google the btu's of heat per cord in each type but if its free and close, I'm pretty sure your house and furnace don't care what species you toss in.   

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Fire Wood / Re: Atv with tracks?
« on: February 25, 2015, 04:31:50 AM »
High priced, short life, very poorly designed and put together are the things that I'm told by those that have them and fix them.       

As for actually accomplishing anything worthwhile, that would depend on your definition of accomplishment, but myself I'd rather have tires and go work when your not fighting the snow and cold and don't need the tracks would be my vote. 

I have both atv's and utv's, they are used to haul people and stuff around, not move wood or logs with.   

   

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If your buying your wood, what do you save?    I do land clearing and get all I can take home, we also have timber of our own, trying to clean it up and get rid of the junk tree's and debris and plant new seedlings, so I may as well take the junk home and burn it myself and save a few bucks on heating costs while I'm still able.     

Around here if you have enough tree's per acre that are alive, keep the livestock out of it, you can apply for tax exemptions on the timber, there are no taxes on it at all, but its not a big deal, they just hike up the land and buildings enough to make up for it.   


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Home Made / Re: Insurance woes
« on: February 23, 2015, 08:17:42 PM »
Its about fire risk, I asked and was shown data to back it up, by more than one insurance carrier, the statistics are really shocking when you compare house or building fires when it comes to wood fueled heaters verses any other form of heating.   Its also about payouts by the company in terms of dollars per claim paid in damages.   

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Home Made / Re: Insurance woes
« on: February 23, 2015, 06:26:19 AM »
I casually asked my insurance agent what if I just never mentioned it if I were to put an owb in the lean on one of my sheds, he told me first off, if there was a fire and upon investigation found what remained of the wood burner, they would refuse to pay the claim, then cancel all my insurance I have with them.   

Another option would be when they do a walk through inspection every few years and found it, I'd either have to remove it immediately, or depending on my reply, my insurance would be cancelled on everything effective immediately, pretty much take my choice, then every year after that they'd do pretty in depth inspections of everything I have insured.   If by chance I wasn't around when they came to do their walk around, I'd be notified via mail that day, my entire policy with them was cancelled, and I'd have to reapply with them once the violation was taken care of.   

As of yet, I can have firewood in buildings to keep it dry, but I've also been told, that won't last too much longer either and shortly it would have to go outside and stay outside.   


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Home Made / Re: Insurance woes
« on: February 22, 2015, 08:16:09 PM »
Insurance carries in my area are tightening up on anything wood burning related, I now own the house I grew up in, there has been a wood burner in it all but the last 20 something years, I'm now told I can never again have another one in the house, or nobody will insure the house at all.    I can't put an owb in a shed or lean on a building or even a covered open air shelter, it has to sit out on its own a certain number of feet from any building or those buildings won't be able to be insured either.

I've contacted several different insurance companies and their answers are identical, but get his, I can buy any waste oil boiler, build one even, and install it myself, no set rules on the installation in my shop and the insurance company could care less, it won't even raise my rates, I was so skeptical, I had them put that in writing, which they did and compared that to other companies as well, all came back with the same answer. 


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I can't find any insurance company that will insure any building, even a shelter if I have any form of "natural fuel" furnace in it, most even have a set distance I need to stay away from any building or it voids my insurance on those buildings as well.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Ever miss a inside fire?
« on: February 22, 2015, 11:29:05 AM »
Nope, don't miss the mess at all.   

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Sim are those laws state by state, or federal and are industrial applications included in that?    Curious because I know of a few grocery stores that burn all their pallets, cardboard and paper in large OWB's that also heat the store, along with sawmills that burn waste to heat the mills, and some manufacturing facilities that burn all their waste to both get rid of it and to heat the offices and workplace as well.         

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: royall wood boilers
« on: February 22, 2015, 05:00:47 AM »
The water is never in contact with the ash zone, or basically you can torch off the ask system and weld it back on new and not touch the water jacket at all, talked to a few that have done just that in fact and were very pleased with being able to do just that to a old boiler. 

While touring the plant I talked to the workers and fabricators doing the actual work, a very knowledgeable bunch that do top notch work, from a welding and fabricating standpoint.   

I don't know if they still make them, but at one time they made forced air wood burners that you set out beside your house and piped the hot air in, there are a few of those still going in my area, the people seem to love them.   

A few of the local repair shops that repair all makes of wood furnaces and boilers recommend them to customers, mainly because they give product support and if their is an issue that's no longer covered by warranty, the local shops can call and get help and answers as to how go  about fixing or repairing one of their products, even if they are 30 years old, most of the rest of the companies won't do this, I'm told. 

All in all, people are happy with their products and their products last a long time, is what my research has found. 

Before jumping the gun and buying any boiler before laws kick into place, call and talk to the folks at Arch Alloy and ask point blank, are they going to be in business, and what if any changes they'll have to make to their product to continue building owb's, the last time I did, they told me they were not too worried about it.   

I'm a pessimist by nature, so I'm going to wait it out and see who's left in the industry to deal with, whatever I buy this time around, I hope is going to be a good company dedicated to meet whatever challenges and law changes and still be there decades down the road to serve customers and their needs, not like the last company I bought an owb from.   

I should have bought one of royal's boilers the last time, but didn't do my homework good enough beforehand, I feel they are a good company, with a great product and will be here decades from now, guess time will tell if I'm right or not.       


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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: royall wood boilers
« on: February 22, 2015, 04:33:21 AM »
I've typed this up three times now and for some reason I can't get it to post.     I'm going to shorten this up and make several posts and see if it goes through that way, sorry about taking so long to reply.   

There are a few of their boilers in my area, a few of the local plumbers sell their product, mainly because they are pressurized units, which fit better with a plumber I guess you could say.   

I've talked to them many times over the years, toured the plant more than once, talked to both good references and bad, and yes they will give you bad references if you ask, they did me anyhow, most everyone who didn't like their product was not prepared to burn wood from what I could tell, it wasn't an issue with the actual product per say.   

If you've looked at their design at all, you know all the sizes are similar in design, a rounded top and straight sidewalls, firebrick set on a slant and shaker grates in the bottom, same for their coal boilers they sell.   

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Wives
« on: February 21, 2015, 05:41:31 AM »
Well, I married a farm gal, she's one in a million, does whatever needs doing and takes care of the boiler, I seldom have to look at it other than maintenance and repairs.   


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I'm having a hard time with leftover 2 by's being illegal to burn, guess slabs and cant's from a sawmill would also be on the list, isn't wood that's not treated.................wood??     We have a lot of home sawed lumber around, to the tune of up to 50,000 board feet of it drying and curing at any time.    We've had plenty of farm buildings around here that were built from home sawed lumber, and they got cut up and shoved into the boiler one stick at a time, the nails sorted out of the ashes later.     All the scrapes coming out of the wood shop also go into the boiler.   As for garbage, it depends on what you consider garbage, I'm guessing everyone has a lot of different things in their garbage compared to their neighbor, but around here anything document containing any personal information on it, gets burned.


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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: royall wood boilers
« on: February 21, 2015, 03:55:51 AM »
Are you talking about the pressurized units made in Wisconsin by Arc Alloy?

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: If you had to do it over again!
« on: February 21, 2015, 03:53:46 AM »
I have a wood doctor, second largest they make, any other brand out there would be a far better company than wood doctor in my opinion, besides that what I don't like is there are no grates in mine, I'd definitely want shaker grates in anything I'd buy again.    I'd also consider a royal boiler, which is pressurized and has shaker grates, but I'm also considering a top loader for my heat load, and volume of wood we go through.         

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