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Shaver Furnace / Re: my stove not keeping up
« on: November 27, 2012, 06:35:11 PM »
I had the same problem with my Shaver 165. I came on here and asked the same question. I received many answers some right and some made me do a few changes and work through the issues. I heat my 2800 sqft house and my 1200 sqft shop. The house is forced air and the shop is all radiant heat. I have temp gauges in my out going and incoming lines. Before the water left at 140 degrees and returned 70 degrees when the floor was on. Now the water leaves at 165 degrees and returns at 140 degrees. The stove can recover that much with out a problem.
I did the following to solve the issue:
1. I installed a bypass loop before the floor controls.
2. I opened the mixing valve on the floor all the way open, allowing the most return water back in the floor. This did alot of things including making the floor cycle more.
3. Installed a Ranco Control. I set it at 165 off with a 10 degree dif.
4. I installed a 75 cfm fan with a solenoid damper.
I did the following to solve the issue:
1. I installed a bypass loop before the floor controls.
2. I opened the mixing valve on the floor all the way open, allowing the most return water back in the floor. This did alot of things including making the floor cycle more.
3. Installed a Ranco Control. I set it at 165 off with a 10 degree dif.
4. I installed a 75 cfm fan with a solenoid damper.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: My shaver 165 can't keep up....
« on: January 17, 2012, 06:34:32 PM »
The water from the stove is 140* it enters the shop at 138-136* it then can bi pass and return to the stove or when the floor pump turns on it goes in the floor at 100* after the mixing valve does it thing.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: My shaver 165 can't keep up....
« on: January 17, 2012, 05:59:05 PM »
I have two pumps running. One for the house and the other for the shop and yes I have a bipass loop installed for the shop.
The thermostat is set at 60* that controls the floor. I have a temostat on the other side of the room It always reads 65*. I work in the shop during the winter mostly on weekends. The floor only turns on every couple of hours. I have never checked on how often it turns on and off.
I thought that if the water did not return to the stove that it would keep the stove temp higher and not have such sudden drops. Would some kind of heat exchanger help or would it not be worth even trying?
The thermostat is set at 60* that controls the floor. I have a temostat on the other side of the room It always reads 65*. I work in the shop during the winter mostly on weekends. The floor only turns on every couple of hours. I have never checked on how often it turns on and off.
I thought that if the water did not return to the stove that it would keep the stove temp higher and not have such sudden drops. Would some kind of heat exchanger help or would it not be worth even trying?
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Shaver Furnace / Re: My shaver 165 can't keep up....
« on: January 17, 2012, 04:40:22 PM »
My stove is set at 140 *.
The snow when I have any this year stays right on top of the ground. I made my own lines. I wraped the lines in solor guard then pulled them thru black corragated pipe.
I have temp guages on the incoming and out going lines. This way I can tell where I am losing heat. The house loop only loses 4-6* when it is nor calling for heat. When heat is on I lose 8-10*. The shop loop loses 6-8* when no heat is needed.
The floor is computer controlled and has a mixing valve that uses return water from the floor to control the ingoing water temp. It just seems when the floor turns on the massive drop in water temp causes the stove temp to drop to 80*. It then takes forever for the stove to catch up.
The snow when I have any this year stays right on top of the ground. I made my own lines. I wraped the lines in solor guard then pulled them thru black corragated pipe.
I have temp guages on the incoming and out going lines. This way I can tell where I am losing heat. The house loop only loses 4-6* when it is nor calling for heat. When heat is on I lose 8-10*. The shop loop loses 6-8* when no heat is needed.
The floor is computer controlled and has a mixing valve that uses return water from the floor to control the ingoing water temp. It just seems when the floor turns on the massive drop in water temp causes the stove temp to drop to 80*. It then takes forever for the stove to catch up.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: My shaver 165 can't keep up....
« on: January 15, 2012, 07:06:08 AM »
I called shaver direct and they gave me another number to call, and yes it was Ben. I have work very hard to make this work. We put alot of time in the floor making sure it was properly installed using 2" blue board, solar guard and plastic below that. My house is 7 years old and is 2400sqft the shop is 1200sqft.
As where I would direct the water diffrently... What if I used a water heater as a tank and a heat exchager to seperate the direct flow of water back to the stove. Whenthe floor is running I only lose 6-8* through the floor but when it sits idle and when it first comes on the water temp could be 40-50* colder than the stove.
As where I would direct the water diffrently... What if I used a water heater as a tank and a heat exchager to seperate the direct flow of water back to the stove. Whenthe floor is running I only lose 6-8* through the floor but when it sits idle and when it first comes on the water temp could be 40-50* colder than the stove.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: My shaver 165 can't keep up....
« on: January 14, 2012, 03:22:43 PM »
I told the people at Shaver how much space I was going to heat and they recommended this stove. I thought that if I did not let the floor water return directly to the stove that it would help with this problem.
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Shaver Furnace / My shaver 165 can't keep up....
« on: January 14, 2012, 08:21:46 AM »
I have a Shaver 165 that we have used for 3 years now. I have had the same problem every year. When it gets below 25* outside it just can't keep up with my House and Shop. The house is forced air and the shop is radiant heat. In the past I have spoken to Shaver and the floor heat people and they blame each other for the system not working. The floor is directly plumbed with a secondary loop from the stove. The stove just can't recover fast enough to keep up. The burn times on a full load of wood are less than 8 hous because the blower never shuts off. Does anyone have any ideas to help make this work better?
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