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All-Purpose OWF Discussions => Electronics => Topic started by: RSI on September 03, 2015, 03:49:02 PM

Title: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on September 03, 2015, 03:49:02 PM
I am thinking about putting together a kit to shut off the blower when the temperature drops below a set point. It would have a button that you push when starting a fire so it can get back up to temperature and the boiler's aquastat would take over again.

Is this something that anyone would be interested in? If so, I am looking for some feedback on connections on different boilers so it would be universal and work on all or at least most brands.

Right now I am planning on using ranco controllers but if the price is a problem, cheap snap switches would lower the price quite a bit but may be more difficult to mount. Also, thoughts on whether metal clad wire would be required or if just normal cord would be ok. I would prefer the normal cord since it is a lot easier to work with but either can work fine.

I just finished building one to test and everything looks good. I will probably be putting it on one of my customer's boiler.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: hondaracer2oo4 on September 03, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
I put my own kit togeather on my Hardy. It made a big for me last winter. What I did was use a ranco and a push button bathroom timer as a bypass when the temp fell below the set point. I set it up so that the aquastat and the timer powered the plug that the fan plugged into.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on September 03, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
This would not use a timer, it would just run till it was back up to operating temp and work like normal.
I was thinking doing  the kit would make it a lot easier to install for most people.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: slimjim on September 04, 2015, 01:31:00 AM
HeatMaster G series already has it built in to the control, I think Centrals Firestar as well.
Great Idea RSI, make it retrofit able to all stoves, I used to do it with a timer but temp would be better.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: Chas on September 04, 2015, 03:55:44 AM
I've thought about this same idea but I would have one that would shut the natural draft damper on stoves without a blower like a Central Boiler or Ridgewood. Same concept, just a different application.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on September 04, 2015, 08:01:54 AM
I've thought about this same idea but I would have one that would shut the natural draft damper on stoves without a blower like a Central Boiler or Ridgewood. Same concept, just a different application.
It wouldn't matter if you have a blower or not. The same parts would work.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: tinfoilhat2020 on September 04, 2015, 09:55:52 AM
I Would be interested!!!!!! sounds like a great concept!!
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on September 04, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
If anyone is interested, I can make some up. I am thinking the price would be around $100.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: MerrellRoofing on September 07, 2015, 06:47:00 PM
I'm interested. But if it shuts down on low temp, and comes back on when it gets up to temp, how will temp climb with no fan?
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: slimjim on September 08, 2015, 03:19:11 AM
It would have a bypass or reset button that overrides it
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on October 27, 2015, 01:36:27 PM
I made a few improvements to the original design I was going to use. If someone wants to give it a try, let me know. I would prefer to get some feedback to make sure it works perfect before I build a batch of them. I have one ready to go.

This is what it looks like. I could move the button to another location if that was preferred.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: hoardac on October 27, 2015, 07:37:20 PM
I will try it out.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: atvalaska on October 27, 2015, 09:39:40 PM
ok I'm slow and I rode the short bus and never got off ...fill me in on how this works ..I have pm'ed slim with what i had started to do .. was hooking a snap disk into the AQ line killing the fans at 120...then using a on  off on  switch I could come home and be up and running in no time
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on October 27, 2015, 11:38:56 PM
This is just more automatic. It will shut the fan off when the temperature drops to the set point. When you relight the fire, it will run again as normal till it drops below the low set point again.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: atvalaska on October 28, 2015, 12:03:15 PM
So the thing shuts down at low temp say 120 and I come home and add more fuel /at this point I shut the door and the fan starts again, if so I'm in...
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on October 28, 2015, 01:08:41 PM
Yes, you just push the button. You could attach a button to the door so it clicked it everytime you open the door so you wouldn't have to push it but I don't think that would be worth the trouble to do. (the button won't do anything if the boiler is in normal operating range)

I mailed one out to hoardac today. I will put some more together once he gets it hooked up and everything is good.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: jackh113 on November 01, 2015, 06:23:39 AM
RSI,

I'm interested when you get some more put together.  Let me know please.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: hoardac on November 01, 2015, 07:32:17 AM
Just got it opened will try to have it hooked up by tonight it is supposed to rain sometime today. I got your PM RSI sent you a reply. The unit looks nice you did a real good job.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on November 01, 2015, 07:38:57 AM
If you need any help when you are hooking it up, just give me a call.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on November 01, 2015, 07:56:26 AM
I don't remember what I left the temperature set at. You can go with whatever you want. I am guessing you will need to experiment to see where is best. I would probably start with 150  and a 10 degree differential. Also make sure it stays on H1.

If you have too much unburnt wood then you will want to go lower and if you don't have enough coals left then you would try higher.
The differential setting is what shuts off the cold start override. If you set it too low and a large heat load was turned on that made the temp drop back down below the set point, it would shut the blower off again. You will want to make sure the set point + the differential is well below the high temperature setting on the main controller. The low cutoff won't work again till the temperature gets above the setting + the differential. (150 +10 diff would be 160)

I hope that made some sense. If not, let me know.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: Uponthehill on November 01, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
Interested.  PM me and I'll pay you to send me one.   Stay warm....
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: hoardac on November 07, 2015, 04:16:30 PM
Just got it installed today finally and all works well.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: RSI on November 10, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
I am going to make up a batch of them later this week or early next week. If anyone wants one, send me a PM or email (if you already sent a PM, please send again to make sure I didn't lose it) and I will put you in the list. The price will probably be higher after this batch.

I didn't re-read the whole thread so not sure if there is any confusion to what this does..

It shuts off the blower and /or draft solenoid on the boiler when the temp drops below the set point. When you refill the boiler / start the fire back up, you just push the cold start button and it will run as normal till the next time the fire goes out again. The temperature can be set to whatever you want.
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: atvalaska on November 11, 2015, 11:28:17 AM
good to know .. I found a  AQ stat with the same number that slim, used  to make his ..I going to try that route 1st ...thanks!!
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: hoardac on January 12, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
Just an update wood usage is down I know temps are warmer this year but comparing with similar temps. I used to have the boiler calling for heat but no fuel so she would cool the whole unit down and takes more wood to bring it back to temp. House is also staying warmer or at least more consistent. It does a great job and for anybody with a bad habit of letting stove burn down to empty this helps tremendously. Thanks RSI
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: mlappin on January 12, 2016, 08:53:07 PM
Just an update wood usage is down I know temps are warmer this year but comparing with similar temps. I used to have the boiler calling for heat but no fuel so she would cool the whole unit down and takes more wood to bring it back to temp. House is also staying warmer or at least more consistent. It does a great job and for anybody with a bad habit of letting stove burn down to empty this helps tremendously. Thanks RSI


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Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: atvalaska on January 13, 2016, 06:44:23 PM
Good to hear !
Title: Re: Add on kit to shut fan off when fire goes out.
Post by: tinfoilhat2020 on January 16, 2016, 03:29:30 AM
I need one rsi