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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2014, 05:18:09 AM »

Scott would certainly be better to answer that question, I am sure that there has to be something on the market that is non flammable but also a protectant that could be used to treat the steel, this is one place that competitors should be working together to stop the industries issues of corrosion.
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2014, 05:27:51 AM »

That's the right attitude ecc, Scott is that portion of the air intake welded to the boiler or is it the bracket that holds the fan, Jwood is trying a couple of chemical treatments for steel, we were talking yesterday about his test, I wonder if it might have a use here, Jwood, could you after doing your experiment try the same stuff using heat and creosote to see what it will take? It seems like such a shame that we can put a space ship on mars but can't ( as an industry ) stop creosote from attacking steel, there has to be a better way!
Yes, It is all welded directly to the back left corner of the fire box. I will get more pics I promise. I just grass seeded my yard last weekend and it just got done raining  a bunch. I hate to walk down and back through it. Maybe by tomorrow it will dry out some and I'll get to it.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2014, 05:29:24 AM »

Sure I can try, how hot does that part of the stove get?
I honestly don't know. I never put a heat gun on it while it was running. I am suprised if it does get hot that it didn't catch fire. The insulation was right up against the hole. Its not charred at all but I had to pull it out.
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2014, 05:30:59 AM »

Any idea how hot it gets there and is there any chance of fire getting back to it if an epoxy or protectant were applied to the new box.
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2014, 05:46:30 AM »

For that area check out these products on this website, if you could post better pictures of what the whole are looks like would help.
 http://www.aremco.com/high-temp-refractory-coatings/
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2014, 05:50:40 AM »

I believe an easy way for Pro fab to address this issue starting on new stoves would be to have those pieces ceramic coated just like a ceramic coated header on a car.
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2014, 05:55:04 AM »

Nice, I would think the 4-500 degree stuff used for stack scrubbers on paper mills would be perfect.
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2014, 06:22:15 AM »

I agree and let's say they started putting it on new boilers, if they contracted someone to ceramic coat those pieces it might cost them a little more but it has to be cheaper than sending out a fix it kit down the line.
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2014, 06:31:15 AM »

The cost of fix kits are the least of the manufacturers concerns, it is the bad press that they cause that gets expensive, is that stuff available in small quantities that we might be able to try some on a small scale. Perhaps Scott could speak with the manufacturer to see if they would have any objection? Maybe we could start a forum fund to pay for the experiment, voluntary of course with no government subsidies, I would be in, any others, say 20 bucks each share.
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2014, 06:31:27 AM »

That area doesnt get hot per say.  All of the cold air is being blown in right at that very spot where we see the problems.

Maybe some type of thin refractory or a coating would stop the issue.  But its something to think about and try to figure out.  I hate he had this issue but seems like if we can figure out a fix for it he'll be in great shape. 
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2014, 06:33:13 AM »

The cost of fix kits are the least of the manufacturers concerns, it is the bad press that they cause that gets expensive, is that stuff available in small quantities that we might be able to try some on a small scale. Perhaps Scott could speak with the manufacturer to see if they would have any objection? Maybe we could start a forum fund to pay for the experiment, voluntary of course with no government subsidies, I would be in, any others, say 20 bucks each share.

If we could get stuff like that in small quanities id def be in on it.  Im sure Eric would like to give it a try as well
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2014, 06:36:03 AM »

Scott will the new mount need to be welded on or is there enough left to screw it on? do you think using something like this will affect his warranty?
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2014, 06:47:55 AM »

I emailed Aremco about the quantity, Im sure I won't hear anything until Monday.
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Re: Empyre 200 issues like others.
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2014, 06:52:21 AM »

Thanks Jwood, please let us know when you hear from them.
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« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2014, 07:14:27 AM »

I sure will if I don't receive an email I will call Monday!
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