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[yoderheating]

 I've been glancing through what has been coming out of the EPA and was wondering what others thought about it. What kind of impact will this have on the market? http://www2.epa.gov/residential-wood-heaters/proposed-new-source-performance-standards-residential-wood-heaters

[hondaracer2oo4]

I think that it has the potential to double the price of a qualifying unit to meet the step 2 standard since yet AGAIN the manufacturers are going to have to somehow redesign these things to meet a ridiculously  low amount of PM emissions AND have to go through the whole qualifying phases again which cost these companies an arm and a leg in the first place.

[victor6deep]

Socialism folks get ready and use to it. They wanna financially cripple us to where we cannot justify spending the money for alternative heat. Thus we will be stuck with oil.

[yoderheating]

I also agree its not good government but we have had plenty of posts about that before. I'm curious what the industry is going to look like in 2015. Are some manufactures just going to stop producing furnaces? Are some going to attempt to somehow get a coal only label to get around the rules? And my biggest question is there any dealer out there that thinks they can make a living selling high priced phase 2 furnaces? I'm thinking there is no way I could sell enough of them to earn a living.

[fireboss]

Lots of boilers going in sheds or barns around here so they dont have to deal with the red tape

[jtepn87]

What would putting them in a shed do?

[Scott7m]

Lots of boilers going in sheds or barns around here so they dont have to deal with the red tape

Yea but it would be to hard to sell someone a building and a stove both.  Its all Big socialism mess.

I strongly encourage anyone whos got an old unit, or someone whos on the fence or knows folks on the fence to act fast.  Once this is finalized I can see many folks selling out of unite and there being a shortage.  We are also not going to be able to sell leftover units in 2015 so its gonna be a mess. 

[Scott7m]

We gotta thank folks like woodmaster for trying to ram this thing through.  There all for it, they think everyone will run out and buy a 20k flex fuel install once it passes. 

Everyone has forgot there roots and why this industry was successful to begin with

[yoderheating]

 Just so everyone is clear about what is coming. If this is finalized ( and I see no reason why it will not be) companies like Acme, Shaver, Earth ect will not have a furnace they can legally sell in 2015. At that point I assume all the smaller manufactures will go out of business and with them any warranty that went with the furnaces they have sold. Companies like mine and Scott's will be faced with the decision of whether to stay in business. Just sounds like a complete nightmare for both companies and customers. 

[Roger2561]

To help pass the word around, I just posted this information on my FaceBook account.  The more people know the better.  Roger

[CountryBoyJohn]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the states still have to "adopt" the new standards like last time?  Or is this language written differently where it will automatically become "federl" law of the land?  Because I think at last count, only 5 or 6 states have adopted Phase II language, right? 

Either way, this is a bunch of bologna!  I don't understand how they can claim all these health concerns, when the people these stove are the "worst" for is our OWN FAMILIES since they are on our own property!!  My "particulate matter" isn't bothering ANYONE!!  These stoves aren't meant for "in town" usage, and even then, I say leave it up to each community what they want in their towns.   Man this is so frustrating!

[yoderheating]

No before it was voluntary and some states adopted it, this time we are talking about federal law without the states being involved. 

[slimjim]

I spent 2 years of my life fighting it here in the socialist state of Maine and got nowhere, there is an agenda here in this country and there is only one way to fight it, LIBERTY FOR ALL. Best of luck guys, now you know what I've been talking about since joining the forum. You will find the real pushers of this agenda to be the wood pellet industry not oil and gas.

[hondaracer2oo4]

The EPA has been doing this for years with the small engine industry because weedwackers and push lawn mowers are HUGE pollution machines. My father in law owns a small engine business and said that this year they are going to have to buy the computers to program the small engines since they are all moving to fuel injection controlled by a programmable cdi. People wonder why they have to buy a $200 weedwacker or have their lawn mower serviced at the tune of $70 an hour.

[hondaracer2oo4]

By the way if you are interested in the way this country was designed, it was designed for the states to have individual rights with little rights controlled by the federal government. This was so that the PEOPLE could control their country and keep their rights. It is much easier to fight tyranny on a smaller scale in the local state government. The founding fathers knew that it would be very difficult to fight it on the federal level. This is what the democrats want, they want to control you from a far because of the fact that it is impossible for you to fight it.