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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2012, 03:11:09 PM »

As someone said earlier, it sounds like you have some good dry hardwoods. Congrats! :thumbup:
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 03:25:11 PM »

I've been thinking about this all day.  Are you sure your "Home furnace" is not running?  This is almost unreal
  Its this a joke post? or are you for real?..
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2012, 05:10:05 PM »

Probably cutting all 30 semi loads of wood with a ax too. :P
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2012, 05:33:27 PM »

MW-   Boy I wish I had your problems.
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2012, 05:34:11 PM »

My Hardy goes through wood pretty fast.  Every now and then ill go out in the morning after a cold night and I'm surprised at the small amount of wood that it used through the night. Usually the case for me is that there was hardly any wind during the night. That wind makes my furnace run non stop!
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2012, 07:44:55 PM »

Matty... this is for real... what is your issue thinking im making this up.  My god look back through all my previous post over the last year ......  Where do you get off calling me a fake.. my god im on here asking for technical info and all you wanna do is make a joke out of this.  Please do me a favor and never reply to my post in the future. 
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2012, 08:36:55 PM »

I can see it if you only load full rounds, they tend to burn  but still keep their shape so they still :photo: take up a lot of space until they fall apart into coals. But just because there is little room to add more wood doesn't mean it didn't burn much. Split wood doesn't last as long but it usually burns hotter as it seasons better so recovery is faster.  I've been experimenting.... 8)
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2012, 09:26:25 PM »

MW, in your first post above your stated "let me know your thoughts". Well Matty let you know his thoughts. Should be nothing wrong with that.
I've been burning wood for over17 years, with an indoor stove and OWF...No rookie here either.
You've stated that over a 12 hour overnight burn period with an outside temp of 15 degrees, you heated a house at 75 degrees and a garage at 70 degrees all on "one small 3 inch round" of wood...sorry I am in Matty's camp on this one. I have some land in Minnesota with great Atlantic Ocean views if anyone is interested in purchasing.
Sorry, those are my thoughts.
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2012, 12:01:25 AM »

a good guesstimate for heat loss of a home is this

1/R x delta = heat loss per square foot x area = heat loss in btu per hour

so lets say your home is 1800 square feet with 8 foot ceiling the walls around this house would be 60 x2 x 8 feet high = 960 + 30 x2 x 8 =480  480+960=1440 square feet of wall

lets say wall is r 20 (good insulation) 1/r x delta(60)  1/r x 60/1 = 60/20 = 3= 3 btu per square foot of heat loss = 4320 btu loss per hour x 12 hours = 51,849 btu lost through the walls in the 12 hour time period

ceiling is 1800 square feet and we will say well insulated at r30 = 1/30 x 60/1 = 60/30 = 2 btu per square foot of heat loss = 3600 per hour x 12 hour period = 43200

add the two together is 95,049 btu lost in the 12 hour time frame

1 pound of "dry" wood has about 8000 btu in it "dry" wood is 20 percent moisture, to boil out this moisture to get the wood to burn takes about 2000 btu leaving us 6000 "usable" btu...now we also know that a non gasser OWB is about 50 to 60 percent efficent so we will say 50 percent so our btu getting to the hosue is 3000 "usable btu per pound of wood ...so, 95,049 btu devided by 3000 = (about) 31 pounds of wood for a 12 hour period.   i am not here to doubt anyone, and i get these formulas from the net (accuracy is not confirmed) but if these figures are correct, that is one long 3 inch round.

on another note i read is a post that the writer claimed when no heat was being used in the house the delta was 0 and the water was just  ciculating from the boiler to the home and back...there is always a delta! your lines are five feet below the ground at about 55 degrees and your water in the lines is 180  so you have a delta of 125.. also from logstors information (one of the leading underground piping specialests) thier 1 inch double pex lines lose (at 5 gpm) about 1 degree in 100 feet. you say you are about 100 feet from your OWB to your home and i think i read a while back you think you are moving 12 gpm. you will be losing the exact same amount of btu to the earth as you would at 5 gpm but by moving it faster you will see a much smaller loss due to the weight of water you are moving. it is likley so small you can't measure it. 5 gpm is about 40 pounds  so Logstor says you lose 1 degree (according to specs) that is 40 btu or 1 btu per pound..at 12 gpm you are moving almost 100 pounds of water per min. that would be about .3333  degrees per pound (still 40 btu), likely non measurable by any thermometer you have.


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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2012, 03:46:13 AM »

Matty... this is for real... what is your issue thinking im making this up.  My god look back through all my previous post over the last year ......  Where do you get off calling me a fake.. my god im on here asking for technical info and all you wanna do is make a joke out of this.  Please do me a favor and never reply to my post in the future.
Hey mw the the post I made wasnt even directed to you if you were to look.. It was towards jerkash..Calm down mw.
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Re: wood consumtion questions????
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2012, 06:09:53 AM »

My back would be delirious with joy, if I only used a 3" stick in twelve hours....

We keep our house on 75 almost all the time.  If my wife gets chilled I might come in to find it at 80 once in a while. 

As long as I can burn wood for free she can keep it as hot as she wants.
80 is pushing my tolerance though.


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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2012, 03:02:14 PM »

Sorry Matty,  I was in the wrong blowing up with thew post I put on last night.  All the wood cutting got me angry...  Sorry again.

Wille,  WOW  that is some serious info.  Thank you so much..  I have upgraded and put my wireless gauges in the lines now.  I have a 1.5 degree drop and when house furnace is running i have  a 12 degree diffirence,  and when showers.. dishwasher..etc are running it will run about 18-20 degree drop . 

Since i have stacked my two pumps it has made a huge diffirence,  before when shower was running and furnace both at same time,  my ducts would blow cold air.  I inserted a thermo probe into duct with a digital readout ( a extra one I had purchased for my paint booth)  and it shows when furnace running the duct will reach 132 degrees,  thats checking at the register.  With the shower and furnce running it reaches 121.  But furnace dont run very long at all. 

Im very happy with how its working.  I was a bit worried after i moved the boiler into a building,  it added another 110ft ,  So right now water travels 140ft before it comes into house.  But seems to work great
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2012, 03:42:24 PM »

in my area 140 feet is about normal (one way) for the underground lines

those numbers i posted were just round about numbers and not meant to be a 100 percent accurate heat loss as their were no doors or windows figured in (depending on the types) windows and doors can be up to 20 percent of a houses heat loss

the heat loss from your underground lines will remain constant (or very close) no matter how fast you pump water. the only thing that will change the heat loss to the ground from yoru lines is if the delta changes (your boiler water changes) as the ground at 5 feet will not change (normally)

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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2012, 07:24:10 PM »

what are your thoughts with the heat that does gwet loss from underground pex? dont you think that it almost acts as the same as a geo thermal lines would?  Once that surrounding soil is "warm" above ambient grond temp.  Wouldnt it alsmost be a advantage?  I have my lines very well insulated and wrapped and in solid tile,, compltete sealed.  Snow never melts or frost is in soil above trench.  Just wondering once that soil is warmed up at 5-6 ft.  I would think it would almost hep.  But i know that geo lines are usually at the 17-22ft deep,
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2012, 07:29:20 PM »

I loaded stove with all Walnut last night at 6pm.  I just went out to fill for the night and 1/2 of the wood logs were still in there and alot of nice coals.  Im happy with the burn times im getting

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