Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: slimjim on August 08, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
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I was contacted by the owner yesterday regarding posting pics, that issue now appears to be solved, Thank You. He then asked if I had any other things that I wished to discuss, well as a matter of fact I do. Marty seems to be the only active moderator and I feel that is a lot to ask of one man, he does a great job, he is pretty darn impartial and keeps the peace well, however he is alone for the most part! The owner asked if I would take on the position, my response is the same as the last time I was asked, respectfully no thank you. I feel that Moderators should be as impartial as possible and being a dealer, I feel that would be a conflict of interest.
I was asked to start a thread to nominate 2 more Moderators like we had a few years ago, personally I would like for those folks to be not attached to a wood boiler company in any way.
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Anybody have any ideas on the subject?
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Crickets
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This site is easy to moderate actually, I also take care of a farming/forage site, you can’t imagine how ugly it can get there come towards the end of winter when all the farmers are getting cabin fever. Silly little pissing matches over JD vs IH vs NH are common just for starters.
Took care of another for a group of people that were playing a MMORPG together, had ages from 18 to 50, 18 year olds were a pain in the butt so changed the rules for only 21 and over. Took six active moderators to keep up with that as somebody was always getting their panties in a bunch. Was actually kinda easy though, the guy that ran it owned the website and guild and it was ran as a dictatorship, his word was final. Which was fine with me as we are both staunch conservatives, pull your own weight or theres the door. /gkick
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What are you in need of as far as moderation responsibilities for starters marty?
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What are you in need of as far as moderation responsibilities for starters marty?
Well mainly I go thru new applications everyday looking for real applications and weeding those out from the spammers. After you do it long enough you can tell the crap from the real ones just by the email address.
The rest is making sure everybody behaves themselves.
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Crickets
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Been talking to Honda, if we have two of us that are one regularly that should be plenty, get too many then your just stepping on one another’s toes, also makes it much harder to make sure we are all on the same page.
On another forum I help with, there is just a moderators section so tabs can be kept with another easily without having to resort to using PM’s all the time.
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Allthough I personally like Honda and respect him as I do you, do you think it might be wise to give a view separate of being an advocate for the company that I'm not supposed to mention anymore?
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If somebody else steps up of course, atm though traffic thru the site is relatively slow. Come fall when folks start to fire up their boilers is when it really picks up so we have time for others to step forward if they wish. Anybody that volunteers should truly want to do it, not because they feel obligated to.
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I will nominate the one guy that I professionally had an issue with on here. I believe his screen name was Boilerman and he works with the other Mega Wood boiler manufacturer, competition and fair exchanges of ideas leads to a much more informative site for the customer don't you think? Shall I attempt to contact him to see if he is interested?
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Is this the same Boilerman that had warnings for “calling out other members”? I’ll go back and see how old that is, maybe so old its moot.
Also needs an understanding on how the site actually works so as not to inadvertently cause issues. SMF is rather an odd duck at times.
Is ultimately up to the owner of the site to make the decision though.
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I'm just saying that if the ultimate goal is to have an impartial team not afraid of corporate influence then perhaps the two Moderators should at the very least be competitors, Marty I have a lot of respect for you and I know we don't always agree but in the past you have always been very fair, I fear however that you as well have been influenced by the perceived perfection of the label, nobody is perfect, heck not even me!
Good healthy discussion is healthy, ignoring a difference of opinion is not! Perhaps the new guy from Hawken Energy would as well be a good idea?
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Up to this point I thought I’ve been more than impartial considering the only member I’ve banned was a fellow HeatmasterSS owner that if I recall correctly was mainly attacking you Slim. But I will concede your point as how we perceive ourselves is very often quite skewed compared to how others or society perceives us.
Far as corporate or label influence goes, I’ve yet to build the prerequisite HeatmasterSS shrine in the living room, just the extra floor supports to hold that monstrosity up would break me. Without the altar that goes with the shrine I see no need to be sacrificing a virgin on each full moon, and with the internet influence here finding a virgin of consenting age is like finding hens teeth so the whole thing is moot.
I’m more than willing to share responsibilities on the site, I’m not such an egomaniac that the airlines require me to buy an extra seat for my ego (yet).
I’m adamant on one point though, I refuse to share the Nubian dancing girls, we’ve been together a long time, I always have my bath water at the perfect temperature, my pillow is always fluffed just right and I always get a fresh adult beverage when there is exactly one swallow left in the present one. I am willing to share all the other fame and fortune that goes with being a moderator on a internet forum, just not the girls, I think it’d be too traumatic for em and the wife has really come to like the daily pedicures.
Seriously, if another person wants to and has some experience with moderation of other forums then by all means two heads are better than one. Just as long as they have previous experience with forum software, hate for the new guy to click the wrong button and start WWIII with North Korea or something.
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Ha ha ha ha, do you see why we all love you Marty, you have such a romantic way with words!
Honestly though, whatever happened to the other 2 mods and truly do you not think that it would be wise to bring a bit of balance back to the forum, it certainly seems that I am now the only person who posts anything that is anti establishment ( establishment being that organization that I shouldn't mention) and when I do there are a select few who always seem to get upset!
It seems that whenever I make a point or show proof of a statement that I'm either ignored and we hear crickets or there is a flurry of certain people reporting to the moderator and you are called in to calm things down, I would beg the establishment to face the music as the men that I originally thought they were and stop with hiding in the shadows.
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I forgot to mention they were naked nubian dancing girls didn’t I?
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Hey, how do I respond to the boss, I just got a warning ,I'm not sure what for and he / she wants an explanation for what I'm not sure I've done but when I try to reply it says I didn't have a recipient
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Well, not sure if this is the correct method, but I'll throw my hat in the moderator ring for consideration.
Qualifications?
1. I'm an IT Manager by day, so managing the technology doesn't scare me.
2. I'm running a P&M so I have no skin in any current hot topic manufacturers.
3. I'm an Engineer by education, so I value scientific testing, hard proof and informed intelligent discussion.
4. I hate pissing matches, uninformed ignorant opinions and egomaniacs.
5. I'm Canadian so I'm not affected by your EPA regulations or political affiliations.
6. I'm Canadian so I don't have access to your launch codes. :)
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Hadn't even thought of you but GREAT CHOICE!
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Well, not sure if this is the correct method, but I'll throw my hat in the moderator ring for consideration.
Qualifications?
1. I'm an IT Manager by day, so managing the technology doesn't scare me.
2. I'm running a P&M so I have no skin in any current hot topic manufacturers.
3. I'm an Engineer by education, so I value scientific testing, hard proof and informed intelligent discussion.
4. I hate pissing matches, uninformed ignorant opinions and egomaniacs.
5. I'm Canadian so I'm not affected by your EPA regulations or political affiliations.
6. I'm Canadian so I don't have access to your launch codes. :)
Hmm I dunno, David Lightman didn’t know our codes either. ;)
Actually you more than meet my requirements, I’ve been told I’m a good teacher but trying to instruct somebody on forum moderation and what each button does thru emails and chats is frustrating at best.
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I don't know that we need multiple moderators maybe just an impartial one who is not directly involved with any of the stove manufactures. I think Marty does a great job of keeping the peace but I also think that there may be some "love and protection" towards some of the concerns directed at Heatmaster and some of the issues they have had with recent boilers. This forum is called Outdoor Wood Furnace Info. That's what it's all about. If there are problems out there people should know about it whether it is with a product or the dealer or the manufacture. Many people come on here all the time to learn about wood boilers as it is a major purchase as well as adding to your daily work load. As long as what is being said is honest and correct people should see it.
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I moderate on two other sites, but I'm slowly fading out of them as well. My vote goes for the Canadian. The launch code comment did it for me... ;)
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Id be happy to be a moderator. Ive been a member on this site for 7 years ..Many hrs logged and posts...Huge wood boiler fan regardless of brand..
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Marty first of all thank you for making this a great place. Love to come on here and just read and comment without everyone getting all bent out of shape.
I'm not one for nominating people but I think RSI would make a great mod as well. Very kind and knowledgeable guy.
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Whatever happened here Marty, did Jreimer get accepted or are you continuing as the ONLY moderator?
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Whatever happened here Marty, did Jreimer get accepted or are you continuing as the ONLY moderator?
Don’t ask me, I only moderate and don’t have permissions to promote or demote far as moderator, admin, etc.
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Soooo, how do we get in touch with those who do?
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Soooo, again I ask, how do we contact the owner of the site, I have tried a personal message but it doesn't seem to get through. Marty, Can you tell us what ever happened with the other 2 moderators that used to be on here?
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Soooo, again I ask, how do we contact the owner of the site, I have tried a personal message but it doesn't seem to get through. Marty, Can you tell us what ever happened with the other 2 moderators that used to be on here?
Owner of the site seems to be a very busy person with real life obligations.
I don’t know what happened to the other two other than they just don’t come on here that often anymore.
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Well just so you know, I have tried several times to contact the owner and the other moderators, sure seems funny that they aren't interested any more!
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Real life commitments change daily.
Not exactly a paying gig either nor did they swear on their lives to log in everyday.
Not that unusual actually, if anything more than expected. On another forum I help with if a moderator doesn’t log in for quite a long time they are bumped back down to member.
Posted from my iPhone while filling a tractor with fuel to ted hay.
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Marty, I fully understand that you put in a lot of effort on here as well as around the farm, i do appreciate your efforts! However I feel that you are a bit closed minded when it comes to getting the facts out in the open, let's face it not once have you or anyone else proven my statements to be wrong or a lie but yet when I attempt to prove a point, I get hit with silly warnings like spanking a child. I feel more Moderators that are not owned by a manufacturer would bring back some of the impartial thinking on the forum!
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Possible, but also can’t have members that represent one brand continually bashing another, kinda kills the impartial bit then.
Nor can we have a member who represents one brand continually trying to goad other members who represent a different brand into an online pissing match.
LOL really? “more Moderators that are not owned by a manufacturer”
When I start receiving weekly checks for representing a companies online interests then you’ll have something to worry about, until then all my time spent on this forum is gratis.
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Call it what you will Marty, the truth is the truth and folks should know the truth if the forum is to remain impartial, nobody has ever tried to stop a dealer from defending their or a manufacturers policy, some however choose to ignore criticism and only complain about it to the only moderator who in turn sells the very same product, in contrast, I have now been asked twice by the owner if I wanted to be a moderator, I refused because I personally feel that it would be a conflict of interest, I feel that you do a great job in most areas BUT I also feel that in fairness to ALL the other manufacturers that there should be other moderators active as well and they should be from OTHER companies.
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Call it what you will Marty, the truth is the truth and folks should know the truth if the forum is to remain impartial, nobody has ever tried to stop a dealer from defending their or a manufacturers policy, some however choose to ignore criticism and only complain about it to the only moderator who in turn sells the very same product, in contrast, I have now been asked twice by the owner if I wanted to be a moderator, I refused because I personally feel that it would be a conflict of interest, I feel that you do a great job in most areas BUT I also feel that in fairness to ALL the other manufacturers that there should be other moderators active as well and they should be from OTHER companies.
Thats fine and dandy, I haven’t argued that once.
No matter how many there are, folks that go against the new policy will face repercussions whether they be one moderator or a dozen. Not like we are gonna get together and vote on the matter. I’ve moderated sites like that, it turns into a tremendous farce in no time waiting for each one to chime in. If the members were actually paying a fee to be able to be a read and post that’s one thing, then it should be ran as a democracy, however it’s not. Decisions need to be made quickly before the public can view another idiotic washing the boiler out thread.
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To be fair, anyone seeking to use this forum to promote their product either by attacking their leading competitors or through shameless self promotion should expect, in my opinion, a rebuke from any fair moderator. To expect a moderator to recuse himself over every "potential" for a conflict of interest is in my opinion taking it a bit too far. In looking back in the forum, I see instances where the moderators stepped in to keep the conversation civil long before Marty started selling boilers.
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Well said userdk, seems to me anyone of good character using the forum would want to hear advice from the moderator as to the tone of our comments, even if it is not an outright rebuke. We all have our hangups and need direction at times.
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Ha ha, I must say I did expect something similar from both of you much sooner. This forum since I became a member has always had 3 moderators, I personally think that worked well for fairness all around.
Shameless self promotion, attacking leaders, are you serious? I have brought issues that I personally as well as my customers have experienced to this forum, not one time has anyone ever proven my statements wrong, in fact your little group chooses to ignore those facts and to promote your product as the ultimate, well it isn't! yes I do see this forum declining in reputation, it used to be a place where a person could find good, fair and unbiased opinions and ideas without the misleading sales pitches found at the carnival. I don't see truth as being the culprit here, I see the art of ignoring and covering up the issues as the problem. I see misleading information like promoting 300 degree stack temps (we all know differently don't we?)and a G 100 feeding 200,000 BTUs of heat into hot air exchangers all day and maintaining temps (right Marty) or stainless being indestructible as being the issue, no the issue is meeting an issue head on, admitting there is a problem and then solving it. Lies become your future, Truth becomes your past!
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Want proof of those stack temps? Hey Coolidge, how about we pull the roof off your G 200 and show the piece of roofing material that we used to keep the insulation from burning above your fire tubes and by the way, how about telling the crew here why you came down to retrieve your old P and M 250, wasn't it because it burned a LOT less wood?
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Not to get off topic but didn't Coolidge have a failed radiant slab that caused his wood usage to soar?
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Could be but he's not convinced and wants to have his P and M ready if the issue isn't resolved.
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Wouldn't stack temps and delta t tell us where the btus from the wood were going?
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Yup, I'd even donate the time, wanna go with me when it gets cold and he fires it up?
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That would be a fun trip, I would like to if I can swing it. Time is at a premium most times playing daddy day care on my off days while the wife works. We will see what we can do!
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Just thinking that if you were there then perhaps it might add some credibility!
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I understand. Well see what we can work out!
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Couple more weeks. Hopefully.
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Soon after fryburg then?
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This site is easy to moderate actually, I also take care of a farming/forage site, you can’t imagine how ugly it can get there come towards the end of winter when all the farmers are getting cabin fever. Silly little pissing matches over JD vs IH vs NH are common just for starters.
T /gkick
Marty,
Is this the JD vs IH vs NH thread >:D
Well I would have to think long and hard about buying a Case/IH 75C. This is my 3rd year leasing and all had issues. Granted, my lease costs me a dollar for 120 hrs on a nonprofit program and I am extremely grateful but I, as well as the local dealer service manger are getting pretty frustrated with the quality control. Parts are in. My dealers field truck is coming any minute.
BTW, as some may not know the Case/IH and Ford/New Holland tractor is made in the same factory. They have had quality control issues before according to the dealer. I feel for any unlucky farmer who buys them so I am doing my part to discover the issues within the first 120 hrs ;) At least that is what I keep telling myself :bash:
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Hmmmm, I think I like that comment gunpowder, Thanks!
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Case of bad judgement.
I do like International trucks though.
Only JD’s we have are industrial yellow.
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Dealer showed up. They have to take the tractor back to the shop and remove the radiator to install the belt :bash:
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Dealer showed up. They have to take the tractor back to the shop and remove the radiator to install the belt :bash:
Huh?
Thats some ass backwards engineering there.
Previous owner tacked the splined drive shaft on our forklift to the hydraulic pump shaft. You have to disassemble the steering axle mount to change a belt now, we installed some of that segmented belt instead.
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Sometimes within a company the R and D guys find an easier, cheaper, better way for themselves in the factory but fail to understand that things happen in the field, it happens to every company, the difference happens in that companies response! Been there, had that pleasure before!
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Like some of the cars awhile back that you had to tilt the engine to change the rear bank of spark plugs.
The wife’s Liberty hasn’t been bad to work on though, I did pay the garage awhile back to change both valve cover gaskets and a power steering line. The power steering line went up by the headlight, then back along the inner fender, under the battery, under the fuse box, under something else, then back to the power steering pump. Only the trail rated Liberties had that, was considered power steering cooling.
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Like some of the cars awhile back that you had to tilt the engine to change the rear bank of spark plugs.
The wife’s Liberty hasn’t been bad to work on though, I did pay the garage awhile back to change both valve cover gaskets and a power steering line. The power steering line went up by the headlight, then back along the inner fender, under the battery, under the fuse box, under something else, then back to the power steering pump. Only the trail rated Liberties had that, was considered power steering cooling.
Wait till u replace the starter. While some claim u have to remove the front driveshaft, I was able to remove it without as some claimed. After an hour wiggling, I had my son try. No good. Then he twisted it and it literately fell to the floor. The challenge is installing the three bolts on the starter heat plate once it is in position. Was able to get 2.
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Like some of the cars awhile back that you had to tilt the engine to change the rear bank of spark plugs.
The wife’s Liberty hasn’t been bad to work on though, I did pay the garage awhile back to change both valve cover gaskets and a power steering line. The power steering line went up by the headlight, then back along the inner fender, under the battery, under the fuse box, under something else, then back to the power steering pump. Only the trail rated Liberties had that, was considered power steering cooling.
Wait till u replace the starter. While some claim u have to remove the front driveshaft, I was able to remove it without as some claimed. After an hour wiggling, I had my son try. No good. Then he twisted it and it literately fell to the floor. The challenge is installing the three bolts on the starter heat plate once it is in position. Was able to get 2.
160,000 miles, original starter yet. Might be another job for the garage if it goes out when I’m busy
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I have been a believer that the engineers who design these things need to spend time working with the service technicians in the repair shop to experience first hand how their designs can be a royal pain in the backside to fix.
Ex. My brother has JD lawn mower. The main drive belt was frayed and needed to be changed. The JD belt costs $25.00. In order to change the belt you have remove the seat, hydrostatic foot controls, floor board and cowl, disconnect the fuel line from the gas tank, remove the gas tank, disassemble the rear steering linkage (this mower is all wheel steering) and remove the cooling fan on top of the transmission. Once that's done, you need to get it in the air to release the tension on the tensioner pulley. Only then can you fight to remove old belt and replace it with the new. Then you get to experience the joys of reassembly. This job should only take 1 hour, tops, but takes at least 2 and 1/2 to 3 hours from start to finish. Thankfully I have the tools and time to do the job myself. I feel for the people who do not have the time or mechanical aptitude to do it themselves. Roger
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I keep telling you about them green tractors Roger :bash:
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I keep telling you about them green tractors Roger :bash:
My 40hp green tractor runs beautifully, it's their smaller units that give people headaches.
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Gotta watch what you buy, people are dropping big bucks on those JD lawn tractors, believe the small ones are made by MTD and painted green.
Anyways, which car had the starter under the intake manifold? Thinking it was a caddy v-8 but won’t swear to it.
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Easy with MTD, I had one for 12 years and that thing is still going strong today, must be 15 years old.
Has outlasted 2 of my neighbors Crapsmans.
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Easy with MTD, I had one for 12 years and that thing is still going strong today, must be 15 years old.
Has outlasted 2 of my neighbors Crapsmans.
Yah, but they think they actually bought a JD product.
Finally broke down and bought a Woods Zero Turn at a inventory reduction auction. Took it clear apart that winter in 2008 and rebuilt/refurbished everything, still running the bearings in the spindles I installed in 2008. Little three cylinder diesel Kubota still doesn’t use any oil between changes.
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I know, I was one of those people a few years ago. Bought on from Big box store, brought it home, went to mow lawn and both spindles came of.
Took back and stopped and bought Kubota zero turn.
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Here's one old iron for you guys.
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Oldest running thing on the farm at the moment, A Buckeye wheel trencher. Just ran some more on both sides of a old railroad bed we cleared out to farm over. I also have a late 40’s Oliver but it has a cracked block.
Buckeye is a reliable ole girl, no emissions crap, DEF, or a metric butt ton of sensors to take a crap. I’ve rebuilt the drive cogs on the wheel several times now, take some 7018 and build em up. Have also built up all the boogie wheels that hold the wheel as well. Build em up with wire then turn em back down in the lathe.
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Old tech vs new tech? Old wins everytime. It just works. Thanks for the pics coolidge and where is the GPS Marty (it drives itself)? LOL
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Long as one track isn’t going thru water while the other is dry, it goes really straight on its own :)
We do have a laser we added to it, all those runs in the video all had natural grade, just had to set the depth and go.
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What happens when you hit a rock Marty? Our area is full of rocks,sometimes big ones like refrigerators and up,plus flat rock. Our farm was all done by hand early 1900's,some places clay tile is down seven feet,all done with pick and shovel and pan of water for grade
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What happens when you hit a rock Marty? Our area is full of rocks,sometimes big ones like refrigerators and up,plus flat rock. Our farm was all done by hand early 1900's,some places clay tile is down seven feet,all done with pick and shovel and pan of water for grade
Shift down into granny gear on both the wheel and the tracks, let it work it up. We have had to on occasion back up a little, disconnect the boot, track forward while pulling the wheel out of the ground then get the backhoe or mini excavator to dig the rock out then track back, drop the wheel and reconnect the boot.
We had a big rock, just high enough would always bend a plow point back in the day. One of my uncles dug all day on it with the backhoe, finally had to dig a ramp on both sides, wrap several chains around it and pull with a tractor while pushing with the backhoe to get it out of the whole and to the ditch bank. Dad sold that rock 4 or 5 times before somebody finally showed up with a big enough crane to lift and load it. Had another one, they dug and dug, finally decided it was even bigger than the previous one, filled the hole in and farmed around it.
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Dynamite!
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Oldest running thing on the farm at the moment, A Buckeye wheel trencher. Just ran some more on both sides of a old railroad bed we cleared out to farm over. I also have a late 40’s Oliver but it has a cracked block.
Buckeye is a reliable ole girl, no emissions crap, DEF, or a metric butt ton of sensors to take a crap. I’ve rebuilt the drive cogs on the wheel several times now, take some 7018 and build em up. Have also built up all the boogie wheels that hold the wheel as well. Build em up with wire then turn em back down in the lathe.
That is cool!