Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => Regulations => Topic started by: shepherd boy on December 21, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
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Wonder what the future looks like to you with Scott Pruitt heading the EPA? How will it effect the Outdoor Furnace Industry if any? Any chance for 2020 standards or even what we have now?
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Government does not reduce government period, regardless of whom is in charge.
If Trump rolls back regulations, I will be shocked!
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Government does not reduce government period, regardless of whom is in charge.
If Trump rolls back regulations, I will be shocked!
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I talked in depth about this with my area distributor at the farm show last week, our general consensus is that it doesn’t effect enough people for the Trump administration to even look at.
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Lots of talk about rule changes overnight. It's not an easy process like some sheep like to believe. I'll put my money on by the time any change would work its way through the system/courts it'll either be someone's second term or someone else's first.
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Lots of talk about rule changes overnight. It's not an easy process like some sheep like to believe. I'll put my money on by the time any change would work its way through the system/courts it'll either be someone's second term or someone else's first.
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Personally I like my G Series, love not having a cloud of smoke either rolling down the hill towards the pastures, across the road, towards the house or shop. I don’t care how it was forced on people though, a better tax rebate could have been put in place instead, like cash for clunkers. Usually though those in power just love new regulations as it justifies their agencies existence as now somebody needs to enforce the new regs.
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So Pruitt got in... I'm actually surprised.
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Me too! Let's enjoy these next 4 years while we can. My best friend hauls coal in his truck and he has said there is a noticeable increase in production already.
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Where does he get coal from?
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It seems to me the elimination of the EPA entirely is a horrible idea. States should be given power for most items, but I believe a good base to start with wherein all states have minimums is also a good idea. Common sense is what we need.
Neal
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Common sense, yea that's what they have been calling it since the Reagan years, it may seem like common sense to them but common sense to me is, do as you please with your body and property, don't hurt anyone and take responsibility for your mistakes!
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Common sense, yea that's what they have been calling it since the Reagan years, it may seem like common sense to them but common sense to me is, do as you please with your body and property, don't hurt anyone and take responsibility for your mistakes!
It seems to me the elimination of the EPA entirely is a horrible idea. States should be given power for most items, but I believe a good base to start with wherein all states have minimums is also a good idea. Common sense is what we need.
Neal
Problem is by time most people become state or federal politicians, they’ve already been around other politicians, lawyers and lobbyists long enough to have the lack of common sense rub off on em.
Completely eliminate it? No, several cut em off at the knees? You betcha.
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Where does he get coal from?
He works for a trucking company out of Springfield Illinois. He is originally from Jackson Wisconsin. He hauls coal to 2 large power plants.
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In Scott Pruitt's first speech to the EPA, he outlined that he intends for the EPA to adhere to States' rights. We'll have to see what happens in the near future. Wisconsin, Michigan and I think Missouri have already passed legislation to the affect that if left to them, wood burning would not be regulated.
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Let's hope and pray!! I have had the county and the Township cop stop by to take a look at my wood burner when they see me outside. I have given them permission to park on my property to radar the speed racers. They are all for wood burning. I can't see it being an issue in Wisconsin.
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A lot of local state police, deputies, DOT, etc guys around here have HeatMaster units. We take care of them, they take care of us. Local authorities have rarely been an issue, rather they usually promote wood burning.
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All depends on your state, Indiana passed its own regulations, basically a mirror of the EPA’s and I highly doubt Indiana will repeal their version as the scuttlebutt says a representative pushed for it as a few neighbors were smoking him out with conventional units most likely burning wet wood.
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A lot of local state police, deputies, DOT, etc guys around here have HeatMaster units. We take care of them, they take care of us. Local authorities have rarely been an issue, rather they usually promote wood burning.
That's because this is the way of life. Our government wants it changed but think about the facts. My father did it, his father and his fathers father all burned wood since the beginning of time. It's in our DNA!
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In my no good opinion, coal was on its way out and trump isn't bringing it back. You can't raise the price of NG to make it competitive. At least in pa. it's losing lots of jobs. Capitalism is killing coal with a nice distraction of blaming the EPA. The NG industry is laughing all the way to the bank. When I was young we'd haul pallets of lime on the ice to try and neutralize acid rain. Fishing went bad, getting better every year now though. I might be a little more sympathetic to the EPA on coal, not my wood burner though.....
I don't have faith in pruit , with our legal system I can't see any changes in the near future and I can't see anyone caring about the small percentage of us.
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In my no good opinion, coal was on its way out and trump isn't bringing it back. You can't raise the price of NG to make it competitive. At least in pa. it's losing lots of jobs. Capitalism is killing coal with a nice distraction of blaming the EPA. The NG industry is laughing all the way to the bank. When I was young we'd haul pallets of lime on the ice to try and neutralize acid rain. Fishing went bad, getting better every year now though. I might be a little more sympathetic to the EPA on coal, not my wood burner though.....
I don't have faith in pruit , with our legal system I can't see any changes in the near future and I can't see anyone caring about the small percentage of us.
Not only is Nat Gas cheap, but around here they are running pipes down some of the back roads I’d never thought they’d bother with, makes sells a lot tougher when people have visions of a gas line running past their house and can ditch the LP and cutting wood.
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They ran natural gas past here a couple years ago. It would cost about $4000 to have it put in because of the pipe length and they charge a 50% surcharge over the normal price till the trunk line is paid for or 7 years.
Then there is the monthly meter fee and having to replace or convert if possible the furnace and water heater. May be worth it some day but right now it is cheaper to just stay with LP.
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All depends, years ago when they ran a gas line down state road 4 they stopped within a quarter mile of the farm. We were still milking cows back then, between the milking parlor and drying corn we would have used more gas than everybody in the 2 1/2 miles from town they ran it. Awhile back they approached us about getting it hooked up, needed to run 1/4 mile more 3” line then get the house and dryer hooked up. Was $17000 to do it, but got half back when the house was hooked up and running and the other half when the corn dryer was hooked up and running.
SO much cheaper to dry corn with nat gas than LP, not to mention the convenience of not having to worry about running out of LP thru the weekend.
of course the very next year after getting the house hooked up I installed my first OWB ::)
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I got natural gas hooked up at my house as well. I purchased my outside wood burner when propane was seven dollars a gallon. It would have cost me $3000 to fill my tank and instead I left it empty and put that money towards my outside wood burner. It ended up being a really good choice on my end because the very next year they asked me if I would be interested in hooking up natural gas at my house and we needed to have 10 people on our country block on board. All I needed to do was change a valve and a jet on my furnace which cost me roughly 200 dollars. I ditched my gas water heater and went electric (I know some say it's way less efficient). After the natural gas was installed it went down to $.40 a therm. It doesn't matter which way i choose to heat my house it ends up being dirt cheap. I love having the convenience of not running out of propane in January and having to get someone out to refill the tank and having to dump $1000 into their pockets when I can pay 50 a month instead! Last gas bill I got was 1 therm used. That's from the wife's range!
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Might yet happen, not sure if Indiana’s will still stand or if it would be repealed by the state later.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/694/text