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Plumbing / Re: Pressurized vs. Non Pressurized
« on: April 14, 2014, 07:29:21 PM »
I asked if when the pump was replaced if they used a stainless steel or brass instead of a cast iron. I know the owner replaced it himself. As I recall it is recommended not to use a cast iron pump in an open system due to the warranty.
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Plumbing / Re: Pressurized vs. Non Pressurized
« on: April 14, 2014, 04:58:05 PM »
Just an update on the original post. Like you guys said, the pump ended up going. Less then a year it lasted using it in an open system. I think the pump already had some use on it before the switch but still. I asked if it was replaced with a SS and it wasn't. Do it once and do it right.
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Heatmor / Re: new heatmor and having huge issues
« on: March 26, 2014, 05:54:07 PM »
I've always said it's easy to sell a product but the real work is servicing the product.
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Plumbing / Re: Pressurized vs. Non Pressurized
« on: March 25, 2014, 05:03:42 PM »
If you were going to use a Grundfos 15-58 on the OWB side would you replace it with a 15-55 stainless model. I see that it goes from 1/25 hp to 1/12 hp but don't see a 15-58 in stainless. Also, would there be any advantage to go to a 230V model? Assuming it would draw less amps but they don't give any amp specs on the 115V model. Maybe i'm looking in the wrong place.
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Plumbing / Pressurized vs. Non Pressurized
« on: March 17, 2014, 03:27:10 PM »
I was on the jobsite today discussing OWB set ups and a guy with a Central Boiler told me this past fall he had removed the plate exchanger from his set up and the thing has been running better then ever. I questioned him about tying the 2 systems together since the house boiler is pressurized and he said that the OWB is at about the same elevation as the house boiler thus they balance out. I continued questioning him and he said that occasionally his 2nd floor baseboards would not circulate if OWB water level wasn't kept topped off. This whole set up seems very strange to me from what I have read on here. Maybe I'm not understanding the situation but it seems to be working for him.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Working on my install
« on: March 11, 2014, 05:20:07 PM »
I saw this set up at Slim's this weekend and have a few questions.
-OWB on right side(this set up)
-House side on left
-Both pumps on supply sides to OWB and house
-Water flows through plate exchanger in opposite direction(think Slim mentioned this)
-Water fill for OWB is on the return side of exchanger
These are pretty basic questions as I am still trying to grasp the whole concept.
-OWB on right side(this set up)
-House side on left
-Both pumps on supply sides to OWB and house
-Water flows through plate exchanger in opposite direction(think Slim mentioned this)
-Water fill for OWB is on the return side of exchanger
These are pretty basic questions as I am still trying to grasp the whole concept.
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Plumbing / Re: Pipe depth
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:37:44 AM »
After trying to bend Logstor at Slimjim's this weekend, I can tell you the stuff is stout. Granted the piece had been laying in the snow so it was very cold. A couple of thoughts come to mind if you can't wait for a warm sunny day to install. An conduit blanket used for electric pipe(pvc) may help. Easy to control but will only warm a 2' area at a time. Another way could be to use a Salamander heater (kerosene) to heat a section. You would want to be very careful as to not overheat a section with this method. It seemed to me that the outer casing was the main issue and possibly with it being warmed, the foam/pipe would follow fairly easy.
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Plumbing / Re: Pump change
« on: March 10, 2014, 12:52:31 PM »
To do it all over again, I would put pumps in. For years we used zone valves in all our houses. Now all we go with are pumps. Always looking for ways to improve the final product and this is definitely one area. Like Slimjim said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it (eventually they will get changed out).
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Plumbing / Re: Pump change
« on: March 10, 2014, 03:40:55 AM »
I didn't size the pump. The 15-58 has been on there for 3 years so far. It replaced a Taco that failed after 2 years.
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Plumbing / Re: Pump change
« on: March 09, 2014, 08:01:57 PM »
Thanks for the response Sprinter. I didn't explain the set up at all. The current 15-58 feeds the manifold which has 7 zone valves (6 heat and 1 hot water). The variable speed would work well depending on the demand as the valves call for water.
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Plumbing / Pump change
« on: March 09, 2014, 05:37:27 PM »
Upon Slimjim's suggestion, during OWB install I will change out my existing Grundfos 15-58 to an Alpha. I looked at the 15-55 and it has very similar head range and a slightly higher max flow. Is this the model # I should be getting or something else? Thanks, Cabo
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Portage & Main / Thanks Slimjim
« on: March 09, 2014, 10:45:16 AM »
It was a pleasure meeting with you yesterday. It was very informative for my wife and I. I didn't mean to take up your entire afternoon. I will definitely build the manifold and get some of the basic install stuff underway. I'm sure that I will have many questions and will try to ask them on here so others can benefit from the answers. I will be calling corprate this week to put a deposit on a 250. Thanks again.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Another future P&M owner
« on: March 04, 2014, 04:18:19 PM »
I will be getting a 250 gasser since I live in Vermont. God knows there is nothing more important to worry about in Vermont then how much smoke comes out of a boiler. Honestly, I would probably go that route anyway due to less wood consumption and having no prior experience with conventional boilers. I haven't burned wood for the last 9 years and not having to deal with the mess in the house has been great but sick of seeing the oil truck now. I'm sure with the OWF I will run my shop warmer and the wife will do the same in the house.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Another future P&M owner
« on: March 03, 2014, 05:34:52 PM »
Just wanted to introduce myself and say that this forum is an very valuable source of information. The folks that are on here and supply the knowledge from years of real world experience is incredible.
I have been lurking for about the last 2 years and the wife and I decided to go ahead with a boiler this year. In talking with the P&M factory(Rory) and meeting Slim Jim at the Cornish, NH fair last summer it seemed like a very good choice. Their customer service seems excellent as well as the products they produce.
I have already done some of the prep work last fall as far as putting in a 8" single wall culvert to sleeve the Logstor under the driveway as well as an electrical conduit out to the boiler pad. This winter I have cut, split and palletized 14 cord of hardwood(ash, beech and yellow birch). I am hopeful that will be 2 years worth of wood so I can always stay a year ahead.
My heating load is a 2200 sq. ft. 5 Star Plus energy rated home with a 1000 sq. ft. well insulated workshop. The boiler will be located 85' from the house under a shed roof off a detached garage. I know many people say to put them outside in the elements but I had the option to put it under a roof and be able to bring the pallets of wood under as well so I went that route.
I will probably have Slim Jim do the install when the time comes because that's his line of work. I am a builder with 23 years in the trade and might (probably) be able to do the install with the help of people on here but I would rather have it done right the first time instead of having to change things along the way to get the proper install. I am a firm believer that you should do a couple of things very well instead of being a jack-of-all-trades and doing them OK.
That's my project in a nut shell. I'll keep you informed of the progress as it evolves. Thanks again for the great information and hopefully I can answer some questions to help people out regarding things with building/insulation, ect.
Cabo
I have been lurking for about the last 2 years and the wife and I decided to go ahead with a boiler this year. In talking with the P&M factory(Rory) and meeting Slim Jim at the Cornish, NH fair last summer it seemed like a very good choice. Their customer service seems excellent as well as the products they produce.
I have already done some of the prep work last fall as far as putting in a 8" single wall culvert to sleeve the Logstor under the driveway as well as an electrical conduit out to the boiler pad. This winter I have cut, split and palletized 14 cord of hardwood(ash, beech and yellow birch). I am hopeful that will be 2 years worth of wood so I can always stay a year ahead.
My heating load is a 2200 sq. ft. 5 Star Plus energy rated home with a 1000 sq. ft. well insulated workshop. The boiler will be located 85' from the house under a shed roof off a detached garage. I know many people say to put them outside in the elements but I had the option to put it under a roof and be able to bring the pallets of wood under as well so I went that route.
I will probably have Slim Jim do the install when the time comes because that's his line of work. I am a builder with 23 years in the trade and might (probably) be able to do the install with the help of people on here but I would rather have it done right the first time instead of having to change things along the way to get the proper install. I am a firm believer that you should do a couple of things very well instead of being a jack-of-all-trades and doing them OK.
That's my project in a nut shell. I'll keep you informed of the progress as it evolves. Thanks again for the great information and hopefully I can answer some questions to help people out regarding things with building/insulation, ect.
Cabo