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General Discussion / Shaver fudged tests?
« on: February 18, 2012, 07:59:23 PM »
Looks like suspicions may have been true, Seems that Shaver may have been fudging? see:http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=viweaniab&et=1109252550607&s=22144&e=001Aolzl4VTrC3yXa6u3hxWhlVwCHxLUl_GzPzhIGZIe-bP_hjhcld9OjQi8_rxp7epcFFD0ohg_KcZQEKUxZ5Fb6gK1ECQtGrzv3CR4S65CY5XBiEjG5mgS1wPzrWpdVQJh0B4SQXbu0jdEZcvA196nkXDk7EEGf47ltc0BjHDe2Bibgk1tGheop4W7d2_TMyHe4ME9LVyheBIeYSLU25lJ9E07l97oBzF_rtZuPTnfOrRFPyp71lyshsNRqRQm0FswpFkthkaAA7bj3V-7ng1gA==
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Shaver Furnace / Failed tests?
« on: February 18, 2012, 07:55:14 PM »
Seems that Shaver may have been fudging? see:http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=viweaniab&et=1109252550607&s=22144&e=001Aolzl4VTrC3yXa6u3hxWhlVwCHxLUl_GzPzhIGZIe-bP_hjhcld9OjQi8_rxp7epcFFD0ohg_KcZQEKUxZ5Fb6gK1ECQtGrzv3CR4S65CY5XBiEjG5mgS1wPzrWpdVQJh0B4SQXbu0jdEZcvA196nkXDk7EEGf47ltc0BjHDe2Bibgk1tGheop4W7d2_TMyHe4ME9LVyheBIeYSLU25lJ9E07l97oBzF_rtZuPTnfOrRFPyp71lyshsNRqRQm0FswpFkthkaAA7bj3V-7ng1gA==
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Plumbing / Re: Sidearm V/S Plate heat exchanger
« on: February 18, 2012, 07:07:46 PM »
If no children in the house, set the mix valve so it is not doing anything. My set-up is with a 40gal tank and I can take a shower til I turn into a prune with no change. My pump off boiler runs 24/7 at 170deg. . First thru side-arm, heat exchanger, back to boiler.
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Fire Wood / Re: old railroad communication telephone poles
« on: February 08, 2012, 07:27:42 PM »
The whole pole isn't creosoted is it? Around here we cut the creosoted part off and use for fence(make great corner posts) and burn the rest.
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Fire Wood / Re: Free pine is fine
« on: February 04, 2012, 09:28:54 AM »
i agree! Free wood is always good.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Cheap Chinese Junk
« on: January 30, 2012, 06:38:13 PM »I'm going to stay away from the political side of things. but here around my house there is a radiator shop that has recored 4 radiators for me and they give a 5 year warranty 2 of them are now over 8 years with no leaks. most core jobs cost me $100 maybe look for a shop round you?Hard to find radiator shops anymore. EPA and OSHA has been hard on them too. I believe in repairing old whenever possible.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Cheap Chinese Junk
« on: January 30, 2012, 06:35:54 PM »I would rather employ U.S. workers any day. The problems with America today is out sourcing get it ? We continue to buy foreign junk as we give up our jobs to cheap labor. What does it take for people to realize the simple facts. The foreigners might be cheaper but who do you want to employ? I try to support Americans. Who do you support?I support USA, unfortunately, we are all supporting more and more of our fellow citizens.............whether we want to or not.That's as far as I dare take that one.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Cheap Chinese Junk
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:22:43 PM »I agree with you about the electrical stuff, it's hard to get quality electrical switches and stuff anymore at all.I have also found their rubber products to be inferior as well. Seals, hydraulic rams not very good either. Rams are shiny and all, but when magnified, you can really see the difference and why they leak sooner than others. Glad you are having good luck.
As far as china trying to own us, I think our govt is giving it to them one bail out or debt ceiling rise at a time. There are good companies in china and there are bad, I've had great experience with the coils and such.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Cheap Chinese Junk
« on: January 28, 2012, 06:47:04 PM »Well I'll disagree... I myself would rather have the chinese coils than the us ones. 90% of all of them are made im china, but the us ones I have seen actually looked worse than the china ones. Never had one to leak.Scott7m: what I have seen over the years is that some chinese stuff looks good, even better than U.S. stuff.............but looks can be deceiving. Very little quality control in chinese materials. You might get a good part today(luck) but chances are you are going to get the inferior one. Some factories in China believe as long as it goes in the box and bolts together, it's good. Never mind that the part doesn't sit level, plumb, or square. After 30 years in the refrigeration, hvac, industry, I have really seen spike in the numbers of part failures- usually chinese parts. I cringe whenever I see China on any electrical part...........for anything! Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to get things that are made domestically anymore. As for boiler treatment, only thing I can go on is that it says safe for aluminum on it also. My last test was AOK. You will never find me standing up and defending anything that comes from the very country that is trying to own us. Only people that do are the ones that are making a healthy profit peddling their stuff. Look at the quality foodstuffs they send us-tainted with lead and whatever else, lead laced toys, tainted pet food, etc. I also understand our country's lax laws as far as what denotes made in USA anymore.Basically, when you buy a new furnace or A/C today, you are getting a US cabinet,heat exchanger with a whole bunch of foreign parts. Those said foreign parts seem to fail more often today then they used to. Capacitors is a good example that comes to mind.
Even companies that sell furnace parts who advertise made in the USA, if you talk to them long enough, well they come from china too.
You probably just have a bad part or maybe something about your treatment was affecting it, I'm not sure.
But to assume that china makes junk, I'm not buying that argument
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Cheap Chinese Junk
« on: January 28, 2012, 06:41:01 PM »So this was a truck radiator that is leaking? I wouldn't even consider using one of them after seeing how they are made.Tractor radiator= leaking/hemoraging. Truck heater core= no leaky, just fine. Stuff was in the shop not being used, so I used it.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Cheap Chinese Junk
« on: January 28, 2012, 09:11:17 AM »
Well fellas, Last year I built my shop heat exchanger using a tractor radiator(new one I had laying around) . Worked great for a year, couple of weeks ago furnace calling for water. Me thinks ut oh, where's the leak. I go hunting to find what I thought was a drain fitting leaking on the radiator. Had not been in shop for a couple of days and went out to find the floor wet. Upon further inspection, I found that all the rows of the radiator were leaking and looked like swiss cheese, joints were all leaking too. Chemical says safe for aluminum, copper, etc. Then someone pointed out the Chinese thing. I guess they use a solder that appears gold, USA stuff looks silver. Well I ended up ordering a new heat exchanger to replace that radiator. This time a USA piece. My advice is to buy the USA/Canadian stuff and save in the long run. I might add that the USA made heater core that I used ( it was used also) is still perfectly fine, no issues.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Gassification vs. Non Gassification
« on: January 20, 2012, 06:46:03 PM »chadley,Hopefully, some blow hard politician will actually abolish the EPA before this comes to fruition.
From what I've read on the hearth forum, starting sometime in the year 2014, anyone owning an OWB that is not EPA phase 2 compliant will not be able to sell their property with an operational conventional OWB on it. In other words- if you plan on staying on your property for a significant period of time, than a conventional one may be alright for you, as you will be grandfathered in, but the OWB will need to be removed should you decide to sell. If the OWB is the only heat source, it's removal will obviously diminish property value a bit. They are saying that the implementation of the program will be nation wide. I'm not buying it totally until I see something from the EPA. I've sent them 2 email's in the last two weeks and I've not received any response.
Sorry for that ramble.
Back to your post now. Gassers, and from what I've read it doesn't matter much what brand, will burn around 40-45% less wood than the average conventional OWB, as much as 60% less than very inefficient OWB's, and about 30-40% less than some of the very efficient ones. They will burn wet wood, however efficiencies suffer a lot- but that is true of a conventional OWB also, and cleaning frequencies will be shortened with wet wood. Cleaning mine takes just under 10 minutes/week of my time. The gasification process has been around for nearly 200 years, and there are OWB company's out there that started making them back in the '90's, so the technology is not new, as the European's they have been using gassers(usually indoor ones) for more than 3 decades.
I think it's awesome that people are considering renewable resources to heat their homes. I started out with a conventional OWB about 5 years back, then moved to a gasser last year. At a month shy of 50, hauling 45% less wood home is much easier on these old bones, and although my neighbors had never complained about my conventional OWB, I feel much better that I'm not sending smoke in their direction anymore. I'd now never consider anything other than a gasser. Burning 5 or 6 cords/year is a lot better than going through 9 or 10....or 11. But, hey, I'm gettin' old.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: SHOP HEAT
« on: January 11, 2012, 06:30:06 PM »I have a friend that uses an old truck radiator hooked to his OWB and an electric fan to push the air in his garage.Thats what I'm using. Actually a radiator from a small tractor with a 12v rad. fan from a wrecked car, and run that off solar and battery.
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General Discussion / Re: Happy New Year!
« on: January 01, 2012, 06:47:54 PM »
Happy New Year all. Hopin we get "change" this year. May we all live long and prosper.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Help your fellow members out
« on: January 01, 2012, 06:27:52 PM »
Done! 