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For Sale / Used G200 for sale

« on: August 13, 2015, 03:41:08 AM »

We have a G200 2014 model that we have used as a demo unit here for sale at $8,000. One winter burn time.

Look at it on www.heatmasterfurnace.com

Thanks!

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Central Boiler / Re: Edge

« on: August 13, 2015, 03:37:10 AM »

A friend of mine gave me this info on the Classic Edge 550:

Tested at .31

Downdraft through a nozzle in the floor like most gassers, no firebrick in reburn area.
Exhaust goes up around some waterfilled tubes with chains hanging in between. Chains are accessed by removing chimney elbow cap and are shaken with a poker to knock down residue.
Exhaust appears to be separated from firebox by bolt on panels...?
Uses firestar controller.

Very very basic design. Who knows, maybe they have figured out something??

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Plumbing / Re: Redesigning my system

« on: July 28, 2015, 03:21:59 AM »

Yes etc-1110000. C is common to the no and nc terminals. In other words it switches the positive between the oil gun and the pump  heating from the flate plate. You could use another Ranco to run this pump in case water temp goes below 35 in the owb to backfeed some heat-freeze protection. Seems to me you already have a good setup for backup heat without the boiler add on and so much simpler. I would leave it like it is and watch this G200 do its thing.

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Plumbing / Re: Redesigning my system

« on: July 27, 2015, 06:50:45 PM »

hope this comes through. You have a colder climate than we do so some added control may be needed to keep the owb from freezing when not in use. You should see a big drop in wood use however you hook this stove up. May take a little getting used to after burning a conventional unit,but these G's are strong wood sipping units when run right.

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Plumbing / Re: Redesigning my system

« on: July 26, 2015, 03:17:15 PM »

I would set up the add on indoor boiler to the existing hot air heat exchanger in its own loop. Then use a secondary loop to a flat plate to heat the boiler. Use a double throw aquastat -like a ranco- to switch between the secondary loop pump or the oil gun.This way you can keep your boiler pressurized like it was designed to and isolate treated boiler water. The ranco stat would be keyed to outdoor furnace water temp and anytime boiler temp would drop below set temp would change over. You could load your stove before leaving get all you can from it and when it runs out would switch. Your G200 has an auto shutdown on low temp so your draft fan would turn off. No need to keep your owb hot with oil and your primary pump would run to keep it from freezing. If you found your indoor boiler short cycling put in a smaller gpm nozzle. You may need a second flat plat for dhw if you do not get that from the oil boiler. Slim and I talked about this kind of situation at our last dealer meeting.He may have a better Idea. Good man to have on board.

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Plumbing / Re: How much electricity does a pump use

« on: July 09, 2015, 07:43:29 PM »

I get it and you are right.

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Plumbing / Re: How much electricity does a pump use

« on: July 09, 2015, 07:27:33 PM »

Sorry It's over my head. I was just reading the label. Grundfos 15-42 230=.41amp  115=.74amp  Not exactly half but close. Do they only calculate one leg?

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Plumbing / Re: hydronic air radiators opinions?

« on: July 09, 2015, 04:27:39 AM »

Nothing better to throw a wet cold coat or coveralls on and have dry and warm for next use.

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Plumbing / Re: hydronic air radiators opinions?

« on: July 09, 2015, 03:57:34 AM »

Nice radiators. Got two of those in my basement, they do great. They are rated at 500 btu at 120 degree water per section so you will do  a lot more using an outdoor furnace.

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Plumbing / Re: How much electricity does a pump use

« on: July 09, 2015, 03:49:12 AM »

I think you will find that pump pulling about 200 watts on high so less on 2nd speed. 200x 24=4800 watts 115 volts per day. Houses are computed at 230 volts so divide in half =2400 watts -2.4 kw=17.76 cents per day x 30 days =$5.33. Constant run pumps pull less than a pump a pump that starts and stops often. Starting a electric motor under full torque takes watts. 2nd speed will take less watts because you are not trying to  pull as much head or gpm. Correct my computation if I'm wrong. Nice little early morn brain teaser.

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HeatMaster / Re: HeatMaster MF10000e

« on: July 07, 2015, 11:58:39 AM »

We have two MF10000e left here in Floyd VA. Monterey,VA has one last I knew. By the way, we had one person checked by epa and they had a pre May 15 stove and were told they were legal. good to go, burn wood, let her smoke.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Questions about efficiency

« on: June 30, 2015, 01:24:21 PM »

For 210 pipe,I would go with a larger pump with at least a 25 to 30 ft. head rating. I would do a secondary loop system and run continuous, but with 4 zones it will be running continuous a lot of the time anyway. There is a lot of other little tricks to max transfer of heat from a heat exchanger but would need to see the system. Slim Jim has done a lot of boilers hope he comments.

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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Fire safety

« on: June 27, 2015, 04:36:29 PM »

Got to make a comment on fire safety. You are so right Slim, why would anyone take a stove out of the house because it is a fire hazard and then put it in a wood shed with all their firewood and feel it is safer? I have seen lawnmowers , chainsaws, gas and even tractors in the same building with a wood stove. Know of one person with an outdoor furnace used it two years outside no problem. Built a shed around it, filled it with wood and burned it down in 60 days. Stove looked like a burned out car but it still had water in it and we rewired it and is running today. 409 stainless- no leaks. An outdoor furnace is made of steel and water, you have to add external fuel in the form of a building or firewood to burn one up. Use your head, keep it safe.

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HeatMaster / Re: Sweating stove

« on: May 14, 2015, 07:20:40 PM »

Exactly right. I have never seen my C375 sweat.

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HeatMaster / Re: wood consumption for a 10,000 e

« on: May 10, 2015, 01:26:08 PM »

You should burn 25% less with an E model even less with a C model but a C has its own character. It's  exhaust is so cool you must keep good airflow and no chimney extension to make it run clean.Know people that say they burn half the wood with a C model but there may be other factors involved.