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Shaver Furnace / Re: New Shaver 250 Install
« on: January 04, 2011, 10:58:39 AM »
The black watery stuff that runs out the firebox door will go away after a while. I have that issue every year when I first fire up.
Please read the thread in the Shaver forum titled "Help! I hate my Shaver"
http://outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com/forum/index.php?topic=756.0
Read the whole thing. In it, I have several mods I have done along with links on how and what I used.
The links explain things.
Congrats on the new Shaver!
With a few of these mods, you will transform the Shaver into a much better unit.
Please read the thread in the Shaver forum titled "Help! I hate my Shaver"
http://outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com/forum/index.php?topic=756.0
Read the whole thing. In it, I have several mods I have done along with links on how and what I used.
The links explain things.
Congrats on the new Shaver!
With a few of these mods, you will transform the Shaver into a much better unit.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 22, 2010, 09:40:44 AM »
Hey Briguy!
I was thinking, you may be able to save yourself some trouble. Instead of drilling a hole in your water jacket, maybe you could drill one in a flat piece of metal. The metal would be the size of that piece of cork gasket you used to cover that 1 1/2" hole.
Just replace the gasket with the metal (with hole drilled) and slide the drywell in there.
Just a thought!
I was thinking, you may be able to save yourself some trouble. Instead of drilling a hole in your water jacket, maybe you could drill one in a flat piece of metal. The metal would be the size of that piece of cork gasket you used to cover that 1 1/2" hole.
Just replace the gasket with the metal (with hole drilled) and slide the drywell in there.
Just a thought!
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 19, 2010, 09:19:00 AM »
Actually if you think about it, most people are running their OWB at 180* anyway. So if your temp does creep that high, you'll still be OK.
I think the blower mod recovers the water temp quicker and that helps save wood. Before I did the mod, my blower was running constantly trying to recover the water temp. That led to more wood being burnt.
I think the blower mod recovers the water temp quicker and that helps save wood. Before I did the mod, my blower was running constantly trying to recover the water temp. That led to more wood being burnt.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 19, 2010, 08:34:26 AM »
My Ranco comes on at 145* and off at 150*. I noticed it creeped a little past that to maybe 155*. Then again I don't look at it very often.
Is it possible you are stiil getting air into the firebox somewhere?
As for the indoor thermostat, I also have a cheap slider. My blower runs for about 8-10 minutes but it cycles on and off very often. I'm not sure of the differential setting but it must be only 1*-3* because it cycles on/off constantly. Even when I look at the little thermometer(cheap/hard to read) on the thermostat, I don't even see a differnce when the blower cycles on/off. So it must have a pretty tight differential setting.
It could be that your differential is big enough to require the blower to run longer to make up the temp difference. Maybe your digital will solve that if you can adjust the differential.
This is just my guess as to what it could be.
Is it possible you are stiil getting air into the firebox somewhere?
As for the indoor thermostat, I also have a cheap slider. My blower runs for about 8-10 minutes but it cycles on and off very often. I'm not sure of the differential setting but it must be only 1*-3* because it cycles on/off constantly. Even when I look at the little thermometer(cheap/hard to read) on the thermostat, I don't even see a differnce when the blower cycles on/off. So it must have a pretty tight differential setting.
It could be that your differential is big enough to require the blower to run longer to make up the temp difference. Maybe your digital will solve that if you can adjust the differential.
This is just my guess as to what it could be.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 18, 2010, 08:16:05 PM »
Very cool story! It's funny how things work like that.
What Yoder said would probably be best for the attic install.
I have a ball valve on my return line right before it enters the water jacket. I did the open and close thing to get air out of my lines.
With the air handler in the attic, Yoder's Tee fix seems to be the ticket for your set up.
What Yoder said would probably be best for the attic install.
I have a ball valve on my return line right before it enters the water jacket. I did the open and close thing to get air out of my lines.
With the air handler in the attic, Yoder's Tee fix seems to be the ticket for your set up.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 18, 2010, 09:03:07 AM »Its 6:30 AM and I just put some wood in. The house was warm ALL night. The thermostat and blower mod will happen today if I can get the parts I need. If I cant I.. I will order them.
What a difference, not just in the heat...but in humanity as well.
Pay it forward indeed.
Hey, wanted to say, when you drill a hole for the drywell, it might be a good idea to have a shop vac there to inhale the metal shavings as you drill. It would be better to keep them out of the water jacket.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 18, 2010, 08:42:21 AM »
Let us look at this thread. We have a guy asking for help.
Let 's use a metaphor to explain this thread.
You are walking along and see someone splashing around in a pond screaming for help because they can't swim.
You got guys standing along shore shouting back at him.
They say things like. "Should've learned to swim!"......"Should've stayed out of the water!"....." Hey I know how to swim, how come you don't?"........Hey, I can sell you a floatation jacket!"
Instead of trying help the guy out, they stand back and throw insults. Some people just feel bigger kicking someone else when they are down, I guess.
Really......come on guys....we all burn with OWBs. Does it really matter what brand you have? We should be working together to help each other out, not bashing each other.
It would be easy to pick apart the warranty of Heatmaster but I don't do it. Because I realize that is someone's livelyhood and it wouldn't be right.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Let 's use a metaphor to explain this thread.
You are walking along and see someone splashing around in a pond screaming for help because they can't swim.
You got guys standing along shore shouting back at him.
They say things like. "Should've learned to swim!"......"Should've stayed out of the water!"....." Hey I know how to swim, how come you don't?"........Hey, I can sell you a floatation jacket!"
Instead of trying help the guy out, they stand back and throw insults. Some people just feel bigger kicking someone else when they are down, I guess.
Really......come on guys....we all burn with OWBs. Does it really matter what brand you have? We should be working together to help each other out, not bashing each other.
It would be easy to pick apart the warranty of Heatmaster but I don't do it. Because I realize that is someone's livelyhood and it wouldn't be right.
"Can't we all just get along?"
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 18, 2010, 08:28:48 AM »if you read through the link i sent it says the water jacket is .125 (1/8) and the fire box is .400Okay, I followed the link and read down through the info but I must have missed it somewhere. I've never heard of a mild steel furnace using a water jacket that thin, I'm fairly sure most of them use the same thickness as the firebox (Woodmaster uses 1/4 inch on both, Natures Comfort uses 3/16 I believe). Almost every furnace that I have ever heard of having a corrosion problem was always in the water jacket. Most of the ones I've seen have been where sediment builds up in the bottom of the tank.
i am not sure (as i don't really care) but i think in most stoves i have seen in my area most water jackets are about this thick. what i don't like about some stainless stoves is they usee 1/8 or a little less for the fire box as well and with all the banging that part of the stove takes when throwing in heavy and jagged wood..well i always fear it could get damaged.
The stainless furnaces I sell are built out of 10 gauge. That is about as thick as I know of for furnaces built out of stainless, some are made as light as 16 gauge. I have sold hundreds of furnaces and have never had any problems with throwing wood in and hitting the back. I've had other people ask about that but so far I have not heard of it causing any problems.
I get the impression you are desperately fishing around trying to find something to say that the furnaces you sell are built better than Shaver. You can't claim a thicker firebox, so you look at water jacket thickness.
OK we will give you the nod. Your water jacket is 1 guage thicker.
You keep throwing around those words "stainless steel"
You do realize don't you, that a couple OWB manufacturers quite making their furnace out of stainless. Central boiler is recognized as the king of OWBs and they quit using SS. Hawken found it to be the weak link in their system too.
We all have replaced the mufflers on our cars. Aren't they are made of SS.
Listen, I can understand you want to sell your furnaces, but will you please go to one of the other OWB manufactured forums and put down their furnace. It is getting old on this forum.
The constant bashing is really becoming a nuisense.
If you don't like Shaver OWB that is your right, but really.....do you constantly need to annoy everyone about it?
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 17, 2010, 10:24:16 PM »
I believe Shaver does have the option to get a blower with a selonoid damper on it now,
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 17, 2010, 10:22:20 PM »
1/8" I think.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 17, 2010, 08:58:11 PM »
I wanted to add this.
When I did my blower mod I also did the Ranco thermostat at the same time.
I am unsure how the blower mod will work with the stock thermostat.
It will work, but the stock thermostat seems slow to react to the water temp changes inside the water jacket.
When you do the blower mod, it will look like a blast furnace inside when the blower is on. The water temp will climb much quicker than the stock set up. It gets up to temp quickly.
I set my temp at 150*. If you are going to use the stock thermostat, keep an eye on things for a while. It may cause a boilover if the stock thermostat doesn't react quick enough to shut the blower off. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Maybe lowering the thermostat temp will help if it gets too hot.
Like I said, with the Ranco I can control the temp precisely. If you save that link I used in the other post for the Ranco, it shows you how to wire it up. The directions that come with it are a little hard to understand. that site makes it pretty easy. That is if you decide you need one.
I realize there is a little expense to these mods, but they are worth it for the difference you will see.
Also, after I saw that the blower mod worked great, I went ahead and ran a bead of silicone where the elbow butts up against the blower. Kinda glues it in place.
When I did my blower mod I also did the Ranco thermostat at the same time.
I am unsure how the blower mod will work with the stock thermostat.
It will work, but the stock thermostat seems slow to react to the water temp changes inside the water jacket.
When you do the blower mod, it will look like a blast furnace inside when the blower is on. The water temp will climb much quicker than the stock set up. It gets up to temp quickly.
I set my temp at 150*. If you are going to use the stock thermostat, keep an eye on things for a while. It may cause a boilover if the stock thermostat doesn't react quick enough to shut the blower off. Just wanted to give you a heads up. Maybe lowering the thermostat temp will help if it gets too hot.
Like I said, with the Ranco I can control the temp precisely. If you save that link I used in the other post for the Ranco, it shows you how to wire it up. The directions that come with it are a little hard to understand. that site makes it pretty easy. That is if you decide you need one.
I realize there is a little expense to these mods, but they are worth it for the difference you will see.
Also, after I saw that the blower mod worked great, I went ahead and ran a bead of silicone where the elbow butts up against the blower. Kinda glues it in place.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 17, 2010, 12:27:14 PM »Well I dont have the room for it now anyway . Still plan on trying it someday though. Windwalker has been doing this for a while now with good results. I guess you gotta get the spring tension right.I'm inside a buiding now so wind shouldn't affect me now. It would be nice to get rid of the selenoid. When mine failed Shaver sent one out right away . I have since found a spare too.
Hey just wanted to clarify, there is no spring tension, works by gravity. I used a 45* , 4inch elbow so that the angle of the elbow would help keep it closed. Also have wood screw in the bottom of flap and a magnet to help.
The flap is just a plastic dryer vent from Home Depot. Several guys on the other forum, have variations of this mod. Some just used a Dinty Moore soup can instead of the elbow and added a small bolt for weight to keep it closed.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 17, 2010, 12:18:15 PM »
You may need to reseal the door. Wait for a warmer day though. Let the OWB cool down.
Reseal with hi-temp silicone. put parchment paper (some people use wax paper) over the fresh silicone so it doesn't stick to firebox opening and close the door slightly. Don't close the door all the way, just a little bit so the edge of the firebox opening will indent the silicone.
After the silicone drys, close all the way. You're done!
I put a really thick bead of silicone when I do it.
Reseal with hi-temp silicone. put parchment paper (some people use wax paper) over the fresh silicone so it doesn't stick to firebox opening and close the door slightly. Don't close the door all the way, just a little bit so the edge of the firebox opening will indent the silicone.
After the silicone drys, close all the way. You're done!
I put a really thick bead of silicone when I do it.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 16, 2010, 07:17:27 PM »
Very good deed you did there!
If everyone were like that, this world would be a much better place.
If everyone were like that, this world would be a much better place.
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Shaver Furnace / Re: HELP! I hate my SHAVER!
« on: December 16, 2010, 07:07:10 PM »
Just glad to help!
I've been in those shoes and have had people help me in similar ways on other matters. Just paying it forward.
I've been in those shoes and have had people help me in similar ways on other matters. Just paying it forward.