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Title: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 12:42:46 PM
I won!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Case-backhoe-attachment-for-530-series-machine-/291145300391?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3AeRTM%3AUS%3A1123&ViewItem=&item=291145300391&nma=true&si=iOQizYhgLhyuT44oJYn819yceHA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Case-backhoe-attachment-for-530-series-machine-/291145300391?ssPageName=ADME%3AX%3AeRTM%3AUS%3A1123&ViewItem=&item=291145300391&nma=true&si=iOQizYhgLhyuT44oJYn819yceHA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: WoodMOJoe on May 20, 2014, 01:12:16 PM
Serious?

You gonna have that thing shipped?  What ya gonna hang it on?

Will that thing run on green energy?   ;D

I have run dozens of backhoes, including a few of those old Cases.  Looks like a 3-stick w/foot-controlled swing...the 2 short outer sticks are for the outriggers, but you probably already knew all that.  Not my preference but they will dig ok if you can put the juice to them and learn which lever to pull (pedal to press)...and when.    ;)

Good luck!   8)
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: Sloppy_Snood on May 20, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
Good purchase Neal.  At present, a Case 530 backhoe in that condition sells $1400 t o$1600-ish here in central Indiana.  I think you got a pretty decent deal IMO.  Check your hydraulic cylinders when you get it (but you probably already know that).  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 01:18:00 PM
Serious?

You gonna have that thing shipped?  What ya gonna hang it on?

Will that thing run on green energy?   ;D

I have run dozens of backhoes, including a few of those old Cases.  Looks like a 3-stick w/foot-controlled swing...the 2 short outer sticks are for the outriggers, but you probably already knew all that.  Not my preference but they will dig ok if you can put the juice to them and learn which lever to pull (pedal to press)...and when.    ;)

Good luck!   8)
My sister just moved out to San Francisco so there may be a family visit trip that is tax deductible in my future!  haha.

As far as what it will hang on I would like to get a skid steer, this one looks like a fun project: http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuctions/Details.aspx?OHID=9977905&lp=mat (http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuctions/Details.aspx?OHID=9977905&lp=mat)

or on the back of a tractor.

I am quite sure it will be anti-green haha.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 01:19:01 PM
Good purchase Neal.  At present, a Case 530 backhoe in that condition sells $1400 t o$1600-ish here in central Indiana.  I think you got a pretty decent deal IMO.  Check your hydraulic cylinders when you get it (but you probably already know that).  :thumbup:
Cylinders and hoses are supposed to be in good condition according to the seller.  We will see.  Most other backhoe attachments are 3x - 4x that price.  They are spendy.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: WoodMOJoe on May 20, 2014, 01:49:25 PM
Serious?

You gonna have that thing shipped?  What ya gonna hang it on?

Will that thing run on green energy?   ;D

I have run dozens of backhoes, including a few of those old Cases.  Looks like a 3-stick w/foot-controlled swing...the 2 short outer sticks are for the outriggers, but you probably already knew all that.  Not my preference but they will dig ok if you can put the juice to them and learn which lever to pull (pedal to press)...and when.    ;)

Good luck!   8)
My sister just moved out to San Francisco so there may be a family visit trip that is tax deductible in my future!  haha.

As far as what it will hang on I would like to get a skid steer, this one looks like a fun project: http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuctions/Details.aspx?OHID=9977905&lp=mat (http://www.auctiontime.com/OnlineAuctions/Details.aspx?OHID=9977905&lp=mat)

or on the back of a tractor.

I am quite sure it will be anti-green haha.

Neal

Somebody here may know for sure but I am guessing that hoe would be too big for most/all skidsteers.  Some of them have enough ponies and hydraulics to operate it but I think when you picked up your outriggers it would raise the back end of the machine off the ground.  Maybe it could be counterweighted?

The Case tractors they put that model on were probably only 40 or 50 hp, but they were heavier built than a farm tractor....and you will probably have to devise a way to mount it on a standard 3-point setup.

But yeh, for the price, if you can get it rigged onto a suitable machine, that's a helluva deal if it's in decent condition.

Diiiiig it!
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 20, 2014, 02:58:54 PM
I have the  whole  tlb  with that  hoe   ,  a  580 CK it's a  heavy  hoe  ,sturdy and strong  but heavy . I agree  prolly  too heavy  for a skidsteer  and you gonna need a  wack of weight on the front of a farm tractor
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: Sloppy_Snood on May 20, 2014, 03:20:53 PM
Cylinders and hoses are supposed to be in good condition according to the seller.  We will see.  Most other backhoe attachments are 3x - 4x that price.  They are spendy. Neal

"Good condition" term on EBay means "it works at present."  If you have to replace the cylinders or have the pistons rechromed in order for them to hold lift pressure without leaking or failing, it is B.M.W. (Bring More Wallet) time!

The hoe is too big for any but the largest skid steers btw.  Hoes on skid steers are not fun (nor easy) to operate.  Save yourself the trouble and find a suitable tractor.  Case could tell you the HP requirement (and suggested tractor weight) for that particular hoe.

Best of luck with your new toy Neal.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 20, 2014, 08:54:05 PM
If the case hoe is built anything like our John Deere hoe, it's gonna take one hell of a skid steer to handle it.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 10:27:23 PM
I have the  whole  tlb  with that  hoe   ,  a  580 CK it's a  heavy  hoe  ,sturdy and strong  but heavy . I agree  prolly  too heavy  for a skidsteer  and you gonna need a  wack of weight on the front of a farm tractor
I think this one is a 530, not a 580.  Not sure if that makes a difference.

I'm hoping to get a Case 85xt or 95xt (#3150 capacity).  Hopefully either of those should have the weight capacity for it.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 10:32:48 PM
If the case hoe is built anything like our John Deere hoe, it's gonna take one hell of a skid steer to handle it.
Should look like this, only with a permanent mount:

(http://www.nealmastel.com/fs/skidhoe.jpg)

Neal

Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: slimjim on May 20, 2014, 10:42:23 PM
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are a nut!! best of luck on your new toy Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 10:46:05 PM
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you are a nut!! best of luck on your new toy Neal
I'm nuts alright!   haha

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: slimjim on May 20, 2014, 10:48:54 PM
Did I ever mention, I like you Neal, No I'm not going to give you a HUG!
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 20, 2014, 10:52:09 PM
Did I ever mention, I like you Neal, No I'm not going to give you a HUG!
I think you may be the only one here..... 

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: slimjim on May 20, 2014, 10:58:39 PM
Everybody is different, that's what makes us all so interesting, without interesting people life would not be the same, we can all disagree from time to time and still like to have conversations, We for the most part all enjoy busting your chops, thanks for being here and please do be careful, that old hoe is heavy and very powerful, I had an old John Deere 410 (Don't tell Roger) once and it had power enough to break itself if you weren't careful with it
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 21, 2014, 04:34:41 AM
I have the  whole  tlb  with that  hoe   ,  a  580 CK it's a  heavy  hoe  ,sturdy and strong  but heavy . I agree  prolly  too heavy  for a skidsteer  and you gonna need a  wack of weight on the front of a farm tractor
I think this one is a 530, not a 580.  Not sure if that makes a difference.

I'm hoping to get a Case 85xt or 95xt (#3150 capacity).  Hopefully either of those should have the weight capacity for it.

Neal
I pretty sure 530 was the farm tractor  580 was industrial
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 21, 2014, 04:43:28 AM
and 1100 bucks is a  dam good deal  , had one stabilizer cyl rebuilt a few years ago  and  was  pretty close to 500  bucks .
bury u  pipe  and  bring it up here  i  give 1200   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 21, 2014, 06:58:23 AM
If the case hoe is built anything like our John Deere hoe, it's gonna take one hell of a skid steer to handle it.
Should look like this, only with a permanent mount:



Neal

Makes me wonder how many more people they had on the back of the skid steer to move it. I've seen pictures on Facebook of the neighbor with both his help on the back of the skid steer so he could handle a 2000lb pallet of seed.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 21, 2014, 02:29:28 PM
If the case hoe is built anything like our John Deere hoe, it's gonna take one hell of a skid steer to handle it.
Should look like this, only with a permanent mount:



Neal

Makes me wonder how many more people they had on the back of the skid steer to move it. I've seen pictures on Facebook of the neighbor with both his help on the back of the skid steer so he could handle a 2000lb pallet of seed.
That's a small skid steer.  The 95xt can go up to 3600 with counterweights.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 21, 2014, 04:25:26 PM
If the case hoe is built anything like our John Deere hoe, it's gonna take one hell of a skid steer to handle it.
Should look like this, only with a permanent mount:



Neal

Makes me wonder how many more people they had on the back of the skid steer to move it. I've seen pictures on Facebook of the neighbor with both his help on the back of the skid steer so he could handle a 2000lb pallet of seed.
That's a small skid steer.  The 95xt can go up to 3600 with counterweights.

Neal

But...is that 3600 lbs right at the quick tach bracket or 3600 lbs X number of feet away from the quick tach bracket?
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: slimjim on May 21, 2014, 05:12:45 PM
Reach out 10 feet with that hoe and swing it, I think you might be surprised, Note to self, don't do it on a hillside and you might want a seatbelt though I don't like them in my truck!
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 21, 2014, 06:17:04 PM
just came across  this 
http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?15704-Backhoe-on-a-mini-skid-how-are-they (http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?15704-Backhoe-on-a-mini-skid-how-are-they)
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 21, 2014, 08:58:49 PM
Reach out 10 feet with that hoe and swing it, I think you might be surprised, Note to self, don't do it on a hillside and you might want a seatbelt though I don't like them in my truck!

Not to derail the thread or anything, but on our last trip to England last year, a silly chicky pulled out in front of us. The wife's cousin had just picked us up from the airport after we came back from 3 days and 2 nights in Scotland. We all had our seat belts on, the front air bags went off, the wife was in back with no airbag but a seat belt, we all walked away from it, completely totaled her cousins Audi A4. The people in the other vehicle had no seat belts on, the two in back were both in the hospital for almost a week, the chick driving didn't have a seatbelt on either, got thrown from their car and slid down the road a bit on her face, she was in the hospital a wee bit longer. I'm a firm believer in seat belts since, I hate em still, but I wear em.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 21, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
If the case hoe is built anything like our John Deere hoe, it's gonna take one hell of a skid steer to handle it.
Should look like this, only with a permanent mount:



Neal

Makes me wonder how many more people they had on the back of the skid steer to move it. I've seen pictures on Facebook of the neighbor with both his help on the back of the skid steer so he could handle a 2000lb pallet of seed.
That's a small skid steer.  The 95xt can go up to 3600 with counterweights.

Neal

But...is that 3600 lbs right at the quick tach bracket or 3600 lbs X number of feet away from the quick tach bracket?
You are over thinking the problem.  The skid steer only need cover the weight of the hoe at the bucket attachment.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 21, 2014, 09:51:37 PM
Reach out 10 feet with that hoe and swing it, I think you might be surprised, Note to self, don't do it on a hillside and you might want a seatbelt though I don't like them in my truck!
It would be no different than doing it on a utility tractor chassis. 

Not wearing your seatbelts is foolish.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: Roger2561 on May 22, 2014, 04:06:42 AM
I spent nearly 20 years as a volunteer EMT in our local EMS.  We handle many vehicle crashes and the amount of work one has to do to help someone who wears a seatbelt vs the one who doesn't is staggering.  The injury we saw most often without the seatbelt is rib and/or sternum fractures.  Upper abdominal injury is a real concern too.  Having said that; if a person elects not to wear a seatbelt, that should be his/her decision.  The government should stay out of it.  Same with helmet use.  I ride motorcycles and I wouldn't dream of riding without my helmet on my head (my co-worker calls it a brain bucket).  However, it should be a personal decision if the person wants their brains to become one with the pavement.  Okay,  my rant is over.  I feel better now.  Have a great day!  Roger   
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: coolidge on May 22, 2014, 04:14:20 AM
Roger,      You said it right " government should stay out of it". But they are not going to.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: slimjim on May 22, 2014, 05:44:08 AM
LIBERTY!! LIBERTY!! LIBERTY!!
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 22, 2014, 03:46:18 PM
Neil  ,  hurry up  and get that  hoe  mounted  to  a  skiddy   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 22, 2014, 05:56:00 PM
Neil  ,  hurry up  and get that  hoe  mounted  to  a  skiddy   :thumbup:
$1800 to ship it.   WTH.... 

Gonna be a month or so before it is even on the farm.   :-[

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 22, 2014, 09:31:11 PM
Neil  ,  hurry up  and get that  hoe  mounted  to  a  skiddy   :thumbup:
$1800 to ship it.   WTH.... 

Gonna be a month or so before it is even on the farm.   :-[

Neal

Huh?? WTF, seriously. How far is it from you? I had a round baler hauled from the upper part of wisconsin to Northern Indiana and the one I traded in hauled back for under $600. Course this was about 3 years ago, but still.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 23, 2014, 03:57:44 AM
Neil  ,  hurry up  and get that  hoe  mounted  to  a  skiddy   :thumbup:
$1800 to ship it.   WTH.... 

Gonna be a month or so before it is even on the farm.   :-[

Neal
  that's not even a dollar a pound  to  ship  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 23, 2014, 06:38:21 AM
Neil  ,  hurry up  and get that  hoe  mounted  to  a  skiddy   :thumbup:
$1800 to ship it.   WTH.... 

Gonna be a month or so before it is even on the farm.   :-[

Neal
Bout 2000 miles.  I guess it isn't horribly bad.

Neal
Huh?? WTF, seriously. How far is it from you? I had a round baler hauled from the upper part of wisconsin to Northern Indiana and the one I traded in hauled back for under $600. Course this was about 3 years ago, but still.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 23, 2014, 08:12:34 PM
Neil  ,  hurry up  and get that  hoe  mounted  to  a  skiddy   :thumbup:
$1800 to ship it.   WTH.... 

Gonna be a month or so before it is even on the farm.   :-[

Neal
  that's not even a dollar a pound  to  ship  :thumbup:


Yah, but I had a five thousand pound baler shipped to me, then shipped another back....
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: slimjim on May 24, 2014, 05:03:03 AM
Shipping, is normally handled by a broker that will get what the market will bear, sometimes if there is no truck in the area they will need to attract a truck to the area, it also depends on if the shipper will eat part of the cost as most manufacturers do as well as how much space it takes up and how far the truck will need to travel to pick up the next load.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 24, 2014, 05:51:15 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 24, 2014, 06:50:10 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??
The 1066 has a loader on it.   :thumbup:

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 24, 2014, 06:56:49 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??

Where theres a will....

A regular flatbed delivered my baler, we took the skid steer and cut a loading dock into a hillside, place a few sheets of 3/4" plywood against the cut face then had the trucker back the trailer in tight against the plywood to keep the dirt from collapsing, used some grating off the grain pit for a dock plate then pulled the baler off the trailer with the tracked skid steer. To unload my discbine we used every piece of blockage on the farm to build ramps for the double drop deck it was loaded sideways on.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: WoodMOJoe on May 24, 2014, 07:16:03 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??
The 1066 has a loader on it.   :thumbup:

Neal

You gotta 1066 International farm tractor?

Pics!   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on May 24, 2014, 07:30:06 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??
The 1066 has a loader on it.   :thumbup:

Neal
there ya go  put a QT on that loader and put backhoe on
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 24, 2014, 11:46:58 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??
The 1066 has a loader on it.   :thumbup:

Neal
there ya go  put a QT on that loader and put backhoe on
That will be the second option if the skid steer doesn't work out.

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 24, 2014, 11:56:15 AM
and how's the poor trucker gonna  unload it once he gets it to Neals   ??
The 1066 has a loader on it.   :thumbup:

Neal

You gotta 1066 International farm tractor?

Pics!   :thumbup:
Well I am from a farm.   :thumbup:

With a baler:
(http://www.nealmastel.com/fs/1066.jpg)

You can kinda see it behind the road gader:
(http://www.nealmastel.com/fs/Cat.jpg)

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: mlappin on May 24, 2014, 09:02:18 PM
You can send the road grader to me, I'll handle shipping. It'd be the cats ass for backfilling trench when we tile.

What model round baler? I had one of NH's first chain and slat balers. A 846, didn't make a very heavy bale and was a odd size but was very simple to run. Would roll anything up in front of it. Wet hay, dry hay, cornstalk, fenceposts, limbs, mother in laws, etc.


Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on May 25, 2014, 07:03:26 AM
You can send the road grader to me, I'll handle shipping. It'd be the cats ass for backfilling trench when we tile.

What model round baler? I had one of NH's first chain and slat balers. A 846, didn't make a very heavy bale and was a odd size but was very simple to run. Would roll anything up in front of it. Wet hay, dry hay, cornstalk, fenceposts, limbs, mother in laws, etc.
It's an 849.  That one is no longer in service though.

How many mother in laws did you go though exactly..... haha

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: WoodMOJoe on June 12, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
Got your hoe yet?

My buddy just lent me his Cat 416 for a week or so...4WD, A/C, extend-a-hoe...SWEEEEEET!    :thumbup:
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: farmboythegreat on June 12, 2014, 05:54:14 PM
Got your hoe yet?

My buddy just lent me his Cat 416 for a week or so...4WD, A/C, extend-a-hoe...SWEEEEEET!    :thumbup:

prolly a piece of junk compaired to that heavy case hoe duct taped to a skid steer
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on June 12, 2014, 06:28:32 PM
Not yet, sometime this summer though!

Neal
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: WoodMOJoe on June 14, 2014, 06:09:55 AM
Not yet, sometime this summer though!

Neal

Were you going to get that thing shipped, or take a road trip to procure it?

I just missed an old JD 300B that sold locally, needed the injector pump rebuilt but was a solid machine, would have been a great farm toy...$900.   :(

It was close enough I could have drove it home.
Title: Re: Time to bury some pipe!
Post by: NaturallyAspirated on June 14, 2014, 08:12:56 AM
Road trip.  My parents might actually do it.  My sister just moved out to the Bay area and it is only a hour or so from there.  :thumbup:

Neal