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Portage & Main / Re: optimizer 250 nozzle
« on: October 16, 2017, 02:50:07 AM »
Wondering if this would work - nozzle is shot, so maybe instead of refractory, you just put in a really heavy metal plate in the bottom of the furnace with a slot in it the same size as the nozzle opening? would this work? maybe not as efficiently as a full fix, but not sure how to do the refractory thing, but a cutting torch - that's a different story...
input is appreciated.
input is appreciated.
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General Outdoor Furnace Discussion / Re: Round vs square fire boxes? Which is best I need some help please
« on: October 07, 2015, 05:50:58 AM »
with heating season just starting hopefully you have made the right choice for your furnace... we had a Hawken... now we have a Portage and Main... Much Happier now with the P&M Best of luck to you if you bought the other.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 27, 2014, 01:49:27 AM »
The GX10 can only heat the house "fine" when the temps don't fall below freezing, at 30 it only has a burn time of 6 hours, at 20 about 4.5 to 5 hours and at 10 and below it needs wood every 4 hours or less just to keep the water temps of the GX10 over 170. Our burn times as you can see are VERY SHORT... It is not that they are shorter than I would like them to be, it is that if I want to have more than 4 hours of sleep without filling the furnace, I loose temps and then have to recover from a low water temp in the furnace and the oil burner kicks in. So they are just NOT acceptable and certainly not even close to what Hawken says they should be.
I disagree with you saying the GX10 isn't a load on the oil boiler, there is about 110 gallons of water that is outside (even though it is insulated) with an air temp of 10, it has to be loosing temperature. And doesn't the transfer plate and the sidearm heat exchanger work both ways?
The oil boiler is 149,000. It has been servicing the house just fine for 13 years. "alot" can be defined as - it cycles on and off all day... if I had endless time to sit in the kitchen and listen to it and use a stop watch, I could tell you, but I would be fat as a tick - eating and cooking all day. So, I really cant quantify a total running time on the oil... sorry.
I disagree with you saying the GX10 isn't a load on the oil boiler, there is about 110 gallons of water that is outside (even though it is insulated) with an air temp of 10, it has to be loosing temperature. And doesn't the transfer plate and the sidearm heat exchanger work both ways?
The oil boiler is 149,000. It has been servicing the house just fine for 13 years. "alot" can be defined as - it cycles on and off all day... if I had endless time to sit in the kitchen and listen to it and use a stop watch, I could tell you, but I would be fat as a tick - eating and cooking all day. So, I really cant quantify a total running time on the oil... sorry.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 26, 2014, 07:34:44 AM »
we left the house all day friday to have a little me time.... Left at 8am and returned at 7 pm. All that was left in the firebox was ash, yes ash, not even coals, so I figured I would just let it go overnight and see how the oil heated the house when the Hawken couldn't.... The oil furnace heated the house and the return loop on the OWB and the water jacket of the GX10, and all the water in the radiators... It ran alot, but heated the house. ... the temp on the front of the unit held at 110 all night with no fire... So I guess I really can't tell you how much the furnace works to heat just the house, it now has the EXTRA load of the GX 10, 80 feet of pipe and whatever heat loss we get on the plate exchanger.
@hondaracer... yes, the Hawken NEVER took a break the other day... it could not even bring the temps up to 180, they hovered between 160 and 173 for the better part of 30 hours...
@hondaracer... yes, the Hawken NEVER took a break the other day... it could not even bring the temps up to 180, they hovered between 160 and 173 for the better part of 30 hours...
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 22, 2014, 12:01:48 PM »
@woodman... thanks anyway... I have already told Hawken all this and they basically say tough... not their problem...
@hondaracer2oo4 Well today, it is not idling much at all... I did catch it idle for about 5 minutes an hour ago, but I can't see it from my office, so I only can tell you that most everytime I check on it, the fan is running and it is gassing.
Thanks everyone, I do wish Hawken would care a little and man up to the fact that they messed up and should have never sold and installed this unit at my house... yes, it was Hawken that installed it, I didn't do it myself.
@hondaracer2oo4 Well today, it is not idling much at all... I did catch it idle for about 5 minutes an hour ago, but I can't see it from my office, so I only can tell you that most everytime I check on it, the fan is running and it is gassing.
Thanks everyone, I do wish Hawken would care a little and man up to the fact that they messed up and should have never sold and installed this unit at my house... yes, it was Hawken that installed it, I didn't do it myself.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 22, 2014, 02:42:39 AM »
The furnace is clean and good...
The aquastat on the oil burner has been set at 140 for 12 years... we never change it. From what I can tell, the settings on the OWF are 185 and 140. The 140 is as high as it goes on the low end from what I can tell.
The aquastat on the oil burner has been set at 140 for 12 years... we never change it. From what I can tell, the settings on the OWF are 185 and 140. The 140 is as high as it goes on the low end from what I can tell.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 21, 2014, 01:20:21 PM »
@Woodman - from what the big cheeses at Hawken tell me, it is burning correctly - when you open the lower door it looks like a blow torch flame... I get smoke generally only right after it is loaded, or if the temp falls lower than 140 - on those cold nights when I get a burn time of 4 hours and I choose to sleep 5.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 21, 2014, 11:02:02 AM »
@hondaracer2oo4 The plate exchanger is the one that Hawken sold us with the unit.. they just call it a High Capacity Plate Type Heat Exchanger and it cost $425 there are a load of plates in it, and I know it is heavy. The installer put a strap across where the words are on it so I can't read it. The entire unit, piping, etc was installed by Hawken. You think they would have done it right? Also, the instruction manual that Hawken provided me with tells you "Don not alter the settings on your Digital Temperature Controller" so I don't even know what they are, and they have been absolutely no help to me at all.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 21, 2014, 10:13:22 AM »
@hondaracer2oo4 and @ woodman It is snowing big time outside and we have a bunch of wind... so the temps are for when the zones are calling for heat... BRRR wicked cold out right now.. so this is what I got for ya. Water jacket temp reads 172 on the front of the unit. The supply line on back of furnace measures out to be about 165 and the return line 139. Inside the basement about 75 feet or so the lines measure 163 and 137.
The lines across the plate exchanger measure 165 135 on the Furnace side and 137 121 on the house water side.
Air temp inside the house is 68
Is this what you needed to maybe help? Did I miss anything?
The lines across the plate exchanger measure 165 135 on the Furnace side and 137 121 on the house water side.
Air temp inside the house is 68
Is this what you needed to maybe help? Did I miss anything?
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 21, 2014, 03:09:55 AM »
@woodman... yes, it has been cold this winter, but when it is really cold, like in the single digits, our burn time is 3-4 hours ... A few weeks ago, I pretty much didn't do anything more than fill the furnace and take naps....
Yes, the wood is good and seasoned....
During these more normal temps... meaning up in the 40's during the day and below freezing at night, we have gotten up to 9 hours or burn time... I don't think that is really keeping up with heating needs... The only time we ever get a good burn time is when it is over 55 during the day and only in the upper 30's at night.
The delivery system in the house (the cast iron pipes and radiators) have been providing heat just fine for almost 100 years with all sorts of different furnaces. While many say the old radiators are inefficient, they deliver good heat and do the job well when there is hot water to be had... but the Hawken just can't keep up...
We have added triple track storms to the windows, and they help keep the house warmer, but no other plans to improve insulation, just WAY too costly and not practical due to the layout and construction of the house.
Thanks for your comments... Gotta go out and fill the furnace now.
Yes, the wood is good and seasoned....
During these more normal temps... meaning up in the 40's during the day and below freezing at night, we have gotten up to 9 hours or burn time... I don't think that is really keeping up with heating needs... The only time we ever get a good burn time is when it is over 55 during the day and only in the upper 30's at night.
The delivery system in the house (the cast iron pipes and radiators) have been providing heat just fine for almost 100 years with all sorts of different furnaces. While many say the old radiators are inefficient, they deliver good heat and do the job well when there is hot water to be had... but the Hawken just can't keep up...
We have added triple track storms to the windows, and they help keep the house warmer, but no other plans to improve insulation, just WAY too costly and not practical due to the layout and construction of the house.
Thanks for your comments... Gotta go out and fill the furnace now.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 19, 2014, 06:12:26 AM »
Gasser is required by Law in Maryland...
We heat a 2200 sft house built in 1908 with virtually no insulation and original windows which have storm windows in place. There are 10 rooms with 10 large tube style radiators from about when the house was first built. Our heat source before OWF was a newer oil boiler, burning just over 1100 gal in a heating season.
The GX10 is CERTAINLY INADEQUATE TO HEAT OUR HOUSE. Hawken calculated it to be good. After research, I really did find that sft alone is really not the way to calculate a load... duh! should have known that, but we trusted the experts... well Hawken is NOT an EXPERT, nor do they stand behind their guarantees..
We are now considering replacing the Hawken (only a few months old) with a Central Boiler E Classic 2400. Looks like the correct BTU and sizing... the bummer is that we now have to redo it all. and in the middle of winter...
Your feedback on this is appreciated.
We heat a 2200 sft house built in 1908 with virtually no insulation and original windows which have storm windows in place. There are 10 rooms with 10 large tube style radiators from about when the house was first built. Our heat source before OWF was a newer oil boiler, burning just over 1100 gal in a heating season.
The GX10 is CERTAINLY INADEQUATE TO HEAT OUR HOUSE. Hawken calculated it to be good. After research, I really did find that sft alone is really not the way to calculate a load... duh! should have known that, but we trusted the experts... well Hawken is NOT an EXPERT, nor do they stand behind their guarantees..
We are now considering replacing the Hawken (only a few months old) with a Central Boiler E Classic 2400. Looks like the correct BTU and sizing... the bummer is that we now have to redo it all. and in the middle of winter...
Your feedback on this is appreciated.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Buyer beware
« on: January 15, 2014, 04:07:57 PM »
thanks for the advice. We currently have a case pending against Hawken with the BBB ....
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 15, 2014, 04:06:42 PM »
dear hondaracer2oo4
Thanks for the idea... The entire purpose to buying from a reputable company is that they know what they are doing... WELL, this certainly didn't prove true with HAWKEN. They just sold us the only thing they had and hoped for the best, well it didn't work... now they say tough... I just wanted to put it out there for everyone to see. We really don't have any space to put such huge storage tanks, our city only allows 1 out building or structure, and we have that now... so, the long story short, too late, is that we need to have a furnace that is properly sized to our current system and our house's heating needs.
Thanks again for your reply.
Thanks for the idea... The entire purpose to buying from a reputable company is that they know what they are doing... WELL, this certainly didn't prove true with HAWKEN. They just sold us the only thing they had and hoped for the best, well it didn't work... now they say tough... I just wanted to put it out there for everyone to see. We really don't have any space to put such huge storage tanks, our city only allows 1 out building or structure, and we have that now... so, the long story short, too late, is that we need to have a furnace that is properly sized to our current system and our house's heating needs.
Thanks again for your reply.
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: Pleased with Hawken?
« on: January 13, 2014, 02:14:52 AM »
dear chaikwa. glad to hear you are happy... your furnace is good for your place...
Your Hawken rep obviously cares.
Our furnace is WRONG, the burn times are short, and our rep calls us back after several days and several phone calls...
Looks like Hawken does care about the few, but they should care about everyone...
Still no results, or sleep for us... We did have a mild night last night and the furnace had a 10 hour burn... WOW, luxury, but it is not even really cold out....
Your Hawken rep obviously cares.
Our furnace is WRONG, the burn times are short, and our rep calls us back after several days and several phone calls...
Looks like Hawken does care about the few, but they should care about everyone...
Still no results, or sleep for us... We did have a mild night last night and the furnace had a 10 hour burn... WOW, luxury, but it is not even really cold out....
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Hawken Energy, support only / Re: pipe cleaner
« on: January 11, 2014, 07:52:20 AM »
@ash.... how the heck did you get a hold of the dang brush?
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