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Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« on: May 09, 2013, 07:15:40 AM »

I recently had the opportunity to  buy a solar power system from one of the stove companies I deal with.  They are branching out there dealers into other forms of energy.  So I couldn't resist not trying to eliminate the electric company even more, air conditioning ain't cheap!

This came as a kit and is pretty much a DIY project, the only part your supposed to have an electrician do is wire in the breaker.  The rest is plug in and bolt down, very simple. 

This one I have installed here is a 5kw system.  I've been running it for probably 10 days now, it's producing 32kwh on good days and probably averaging around 25kwh so far because we had some really rainy days where it was over cast and only made 9-12kwh on those days.







This was the first one we ever installed, had all the panels up in one day, all wiring took just a few hours.  I'm fairly confident I could install one of these in 8 hours as they come as a kit with every piece u need, even the glue for the conduit.


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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 07:52:14 AM »

Looks good Scott.  What do you figure the payoff time to be on this system?  And how is the attachment to the roof and sealing of the penetrations done?
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 09:32:22 AM »

Altrnative Energy, eventually the enemy will run out of bullet money
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 10:20:01 AM »

Do you just run screws through the shingles? If so, what happens if a customer's roof starts leaking? Even if it has nothing to do with the solar panel mounts, I would bet they would blame it on that.
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 10:55:20 AM »

The payoff can greatly vary...   Each individual is looking at an entirely different situation.  Here is why, tax credits, some are local, some are state, some are through the power comany.

Lets say you buy a 10kw system and you spend 30,000 putting it in.  Federal tax credit is 30%.  So out of pocket expense is $21,000.  Some states offer as little as $500 bucks off, some states have incentives as high as 35%.  Like North Carolina for instance, so lets say now your after your federal and state tax credits ur expense is down to $10,500.  In NC and other states they are required to pay you so much per kw system that we out in, so if they all you .50 per kw system, there is another 5k.  Sooo, out of pocket expense is now down to $6500. 

Now,all situations ain't that glorious, but every co op, every power company is different.  Ky for example is $500 from state and my electric company fought with me over putting it in lol mainly because unions are slipping under the table money to legislators to protect union power company jobs


My system in particular, lets say it holds on an average of 750kwh/month.  My Elecric rate is 13.5cents a kwh, that's roughly $102 bucks/month.  If my state was pro solar, and I installed a 10kw system, I'd be looking at $204\mo

Then there is the whole deal will your power company buy any excess??  Mine won't, but they will trade kwh with me, if one month I make 700 and only need 650, I have a 50kwh credit, this is called net metering

Now, some power companies will pay you, some pay a pretty high rate, and some pay only what they charge.

My system in particular is very simple, it's not big enough to do over 100% of my needs so I don't do net metering, if I add another system, I will then add net metering and the power company is required by law to provide it for u.  That way I can receive credit for any extra I make. 

I'm using no batteries, it simply feeds back onto the grid though my breaker box, my meter spins backwards throughout the day! 

Sooo.....  Everyone just needs to check out there local situation, you'll need to look at ur state, and your power company to see how beneficial it is to you.  Many times people look at solar as an investment and not so much a turn around, we figured up one time that with our rate and cost the investment of solar was paying me like 8%, find that at the bank

Now, as far as financing, that's the good part.  I am hooked up with a furnace company that will do clean energy loans down to as low as 3% I beleive, so some people look at it like this. I got a great loan, the interest is tax deductible, the solar system is paying it's own payment, and I got this cool looking thing on my roof, and I'm helping the environment.... 

My approach is similar, I say this, if borrowed money for this on a 10 year loan, would after 10 years I rather have this solar system on my roof, or would I rather have nothing, and have simply paid all that money to the power company, no brainer to me

If anyone wants to talk more about it, feel free to contact me or call, solar is pretty neat, and to have a DIY kit is great.
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2013, 11:00:28 AM »

Do you just run screws through the shingles? If so, what happens if a customer's roof starts leaking? Even if it has nothing to do with the solar panel mounts, I would bet they would blame it on that.

Yes u do.  Under the rail you run a bead of stuff down it putting a gob around each hole, the bolt them squeezes it down and it essentially seals it back, it's not silicone though, not sure what it is but it's supposed to never set up or get hard, pretty neat stuff.  I never had any to leak.  See no reason it should either.  The top of the bolt also has a rubber washer around it. 

As far as leaks from people just ranting, well, I guess we could draw up an agreement or let the insurances take care or such battles, I have no worries mine will leak but I understand folks will try to blame someone for everything
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 11:02:04 AM »

I also need to add, it doesn't have to go on your roof, yard mounts are available to, it's just really easy on the roof.
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 04:01:17 PM »

Thanks for the detailed explanation...don't know if I would ever do it but what you told me has prompted me to see how it works here in Missouri.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2013, 06:35:56 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2013, 06:42:52 PM »

Willie blows me away lol..

I hope to perhaps do a 3k tracking system or another 5k fixed, not sure yet. 
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2013, 07:13:23 PM »

Wow very impressive..I do see solar panels more and more..In fact last week I noticed a huge solar panel farm in MA..Very nice Scott and Willie..
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2013, 07:24:13 PM »

we had a great incentive from our provincial government... this system cost 100,000 to install but i get paid 80.2 cents per KW hour...last year i produced 22,000 KW hrs it looks as though it will be about 6 or 7 years to pay for it and the contract with the government is for 20 years. i think th ere is another round of them coming out but for less  mone being paid but teh dost of putting one up has been coming down to match about the same pay back time.
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2013, 08:34:46 PM »

With the incentives that some places have, it's crazy not to get one.
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Re: Solar and wood boilers, electric company hates me lol
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2013, 04:42:54 AM »

Is this govt medicaid? All utilities do is raise the rates so eventually you all will be back to square one. Plus the govt programs your taxes are still paying for it. Either way its a wash.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2013, 05:58:06 AM »

I agree and I hear all the time about my solar causing rate increases, so I had a choice to make, sit on the sidelines and complain like everyone else or jump in and maybe make some money to help cover the increases. we can not keep burning coal forever and although you and I have to pay more, perhaps I can help elave the air a little cleaner for my grand kids
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