Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
Outdoor Furnaces - Manufacturers WITH EPA-Certified Models => HeatMaster => Topic started by: lasor1 on July 23, 2011, 09:35:07 AM
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:thumbup: hello I am new to owbs. I been looking at a heatmaster mf5000e and a central cl5036 I have 2 dealers close by to me that sells these boilers I am leaning toward the heatmaster but haven't heard any reviews on the mf 5000e and is it worth the extra cash over the standard 5000 series thanks for all your help also does anyone know how good these companies stand by there warranties thanks!
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Where are you located? What do you plan on burning in it? IE: green wood, seasoned split wood, coal etc)
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I plan on burning mostly dry split wood I have some now stocked up some of it is two years old season wood maybe some green if it will burn it and maybe try coal sometime if it works good and I can get a good price on it I live in northeast tn.
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I don't believe the Central boiler will do very good with coal. It might work to mix it with wood but probably won't burn real well.
I didn't go look it up but if I remember right the Heatmaster 5000E has an extra bypass to pull more heat out of the wood. That to me sounds like you would want to avoid green wood completely as it would be cooling the smoke a lot more and cause creosote problems.
A few other things I will throw out there that you may already know. Heatmasters are imported from Canada and made from 409ss. I personally would never buy a boiler (again :o) that was made of any type stainless. Doing a search will get you plenty on info from both sides.
Central boiler has natural draft instead of forced draft and I don't think they have an ash pan option so you will have to shovel the ashes out the door. Central Boiler does have an optional blower that can be added but from what I have heard they don't work very well because the boiler was not designed for it.
You might want to try looking up Scott7m on here. I haven't seen him post in a while but he was from Grayson Ky (not sure if that is close to you) and he sells the same brand as me. Just another option worth looking at.
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I left my opinion here:
http://outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com/forum/index.php?topic=1016.0 (http://outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com/forum/index.php?topic=1016.0)
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You are correct. The 5036 does not have a ash pan, and it's not designed for coal burning because it doesn't have a ash pan.
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Thanks for all the info people. I do like that central is made in usa and is simple but a great layed out system I hear. I was just wondering about the heamaster mf 5000e because the grates allow u to burn coal and the second burn chamber should be more efficient but who knows. I wonder how the compare as far as the smoke output out the chimmeny and how it compared to an indoor wood furnace far as smoke output does anyone know. My closest neighbor is 1/4 mile away we have no regulations yet in my county and my boiler will be at least 250 ft away from neighbor you think I would have any problems with them far as smoke out. Or do I need to look into gassification units I heard to stay away from them right now. What's everybodys opion on that?Thanks for all the info people!
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I burned coal in a Heat Master last year, MF3000. I'm planning on burning a HE model this year because my father in law burned one last year and used a lot less wood and coal. I found that coal would last almost 3 times as long as wood.
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I burned coal in a Heat Master last year, MF3000. I'm planning on burning a HE model this year because my father in law burned one last year and used a lot less wood and coal. I found that coal would last almost 3 times as long as wood.
Good to see you back.
I'm going to sell my NCB 175 as a used stove I beleive and try either a g100 or perhaps a 5000HE, just trying to decide.
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I burned a G200 for two months last winter ( feb and march). Its a nice stove but it requires cleaning every week and takes more time then the HE models. I was burning a G200 while my father in law burned a MF5000E. I think we burned the same amount of wood but he spent less time messing with his. The one good thing about the G model was the lack of smoke but that isn't an issue where I'm at. I have been very impressed by the HE models and am putting one in at my place this fall.
Sorry I have not been on here at all this summer. I decided to run for public office here in my county and defeated a 23 year incumbent in a primary several weeks ago. I was going door to door and attending events all summer and didn't have much time for my business. Now that it is over I am back and ready to start selling furnaces.
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Sounds good, glad to have you back. Congrats on your victory.
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Thanks. I'm glad to see you selling Heat Master, in my opinion they are the best on the market. Let me know if I can be of any help.
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I really like them, feel confident in selling them!
I keep kicking around the idea of taking out
my ncb175, and installing a g100 or 5000e,
I think I'm leaning towards the 5000e! I like burning a
little coal lol
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Stay away from Heatmaster at all costs. They are garbage and the customer service is garbage as well.
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I've dealt with several different companies in the industry and Heatmaster is the most professional one I've dealt with thus far.
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The heat master dealer in my area is always available to answer all my questionsno matter what time it was. I told them I had it narrowed down to two different dealers he still told me that he would help me out anyway that I needed even if I didn't buy one from him. He said if I needed parts for installation he would help me and I need information on how to install the unit he would also help. That there alone would make want to buy a heat master because of the dealer
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A good dealer makes all the difference. I have a HeatMaster MF5000e and I highly recommend this model. I spent a lot of time researching the different brands of OWBs, the different types of steel, the simplicity of design and ease of use. I am not going to say that one brand is better than the other but I can tell you the reasons I chose a HeatMaster and they are:
1. Price
2. Dealer was local
3. Dealer was accessible (answered calls or quickly returned them)
4. Type of steel
5. Ease of use (Rocker Grates and Ash Pan)
6. Primary/Secondary draft control ( everyone loves to tweek! )
Those were my considerations. I really enjoyed watching the process of installation, mine was interesting living on a mountain with about a 70 degree slope with no road to the other side of my house where I wanted it placed (thats a cool story but I will stay on topic). Above all, my dealer completed the job quickly with professional work. I wanted to help him but probably got in the way more than I should, I just enjoyed watching it all come together. When you pull the trigger, I hope you enjoy the process as much as I did!
As far as scissorbill's comments are concerned, you have to weigh his comments with actual descriptions of his issues. I haven't seen him post any useful information that would help anyone come to any conclusion concerning his OWBs inoperability. I suspect operator error, frankly. The 'fire went out 66 times' - I have to ask a few questions... Were you trying to burn green wood? Or wet wood? Were the primary and secondary drafts closed when you thought they were in the open position? When it 'burned up', did you forget to close the door? I'm sorry, but if something doesn't make sense, then it probably isn't true.
I hope you find my insight useful.
Stay warm,
Michael
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Hey guys i also have sold for other dealers heatmaster i by far the best furnace and the heatmaster crew are A++++ to deal with.
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Well it's been a while and I think I am finally going to get a owb. And after lots of research I have decided on the heatmaster mf 5000 anyway I forgot to ask dealer what kind of powering need to run out too boiler I was going to get wire and start running it over and have it rdy to out of house were I will run too boiler it will be aprox 200' from breaker box what type and what size breaker do I need thanks!
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14 gauge on a 15 amp breaker is fine.
If you put an outlet at the OWB to run anything else then you probably will want to use 12 gauge.
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14 gauge on a 15 amp breaker is fine.
If you put an outlet at the OWB to run anything else then you probably will want to use 12 gauge.
You only need 15 amp but I suspect at 200' you will need wire bigger than 14 gauge. You may get by with smaller but I think I would ask an electrician or at a supply house what the drop would be over than distance.
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14 gauge will be fine at length for just running the boiler. Even in the pump is running on it too it will be less than 5 amps.
With 200' it will probably need about a 2 amp (or so) pump and the blower and solenoid probably use about 1.5 amps.
http://www.csgnetwork.com/voltagedropcalc.html (http://www.csgnetwork.com/voltagedropcalc.html)
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Well I broke ground on putting in my heatmaster mf 5000 today! I started digging trench to run my pipe to the stove! I can't wait to get it installed hopefully have pipe in tommorow and were I am going to put stove I am going to pour a slab to hold it and my wood so got level ground up and hopefully have it rdy to be poured by next fri then get stove set and build she'd around it will post pics later!
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I got my heatmaster mf 5000 last night! I had pad poured the pipe run and all exchangers plumed in got pump mounted and supply and return lines hooked up to stove and electrical hooked up. I just got her filled up with water and fired pump up everything seems to be working good just need s to get cold now and I will start a fire in it can't wait! Tommorows project is start building shed around stove to keep it and wood dry! And of course start cutting more wood I got access to several truck loads of good seasoned wood just need to cut and split up! Pictures will come soon when I get my laptop working again right now I have to use my phone for Internet hey are they a way to upload pics from phone onto the forums?