Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: martyinmi on November 26, 2011, 07:42:50 PM
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I brought home some more firewood today. My friend stopped over and we had a beer and looked at my stacks that I've cut,split and stacked so far this year. I have 4 rows that measure 9 feet wide, 6 feet tall, and 26 feet long. I come up with just shy of 11 full cords, or not quite 33 face cords. He agrees on the full cord figure, but disagrees on the face cord amount. He says that each row has 4 7/8 cords. 4 7/8 x 4 = 19 1/2 face cords. The Wicopedia definition says I'm right. He says he's right. We bet a gallon of chainsaw oil on it (you know I'll be getting TSC oil if I win). Will you guys help us decide a winner? The majority rules and determines the winner. He will be back tomorrow to read results.
Thanks
Marty
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Technically I think you lose. Face cord isn't a real measurement. It is just one row off the stack. If you cut your wood 24" long instead of 16" then you only get 2 face cord per cord.
The only way I have ever seen it sold by the face cord though is in 16" lengths which is 3 per cord.
I may be wrong though.
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I brought home some more firewood today. My friend stopped over and we had a beer and looked at my stacks that I've cut,split and stacked so far this year. I have 4 rows that measure 9 feet wide, 6 feet tall, and 26 feet long. I come up with just shy of 11 full cords, or not quite 33 face cords. He agrees on the full cord figure, but disagrees on the face cord amount. He says that each row has 4 7/8 cords. 4 7/8 x 4 = 19 1/2 face cords. The Wicopedia definition says I'm right. He says he's right. We bet a gallon of chainsaw oil on it (you know I'll be getting TSC oil if I win). Will you guys help us decide a winner? The majority rules and determines the winner.
Thanks
Marty
9x6x26=1404 cubic feet devided by 128 =10.96855 cords
10.96855 x 3 (the number of face cords in a cord ((face cord being 4'x8'x16"))=32.90565 face cords
'thats the way i figure it but a face cord has different cubic feet totals to some folks but where i come from a full cord is 4'x4'x8' adnd a face cord is 4'x16"x8' (or 1/3 of a full cord)
OIL UP!
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I brought home some more firewood today. My friend stopped over and we had a beer and looked at my stacks that I've cut,split and stacked so far this year. I have 4 rows that measure 9 feet wide, 6 feet tall, and 26 feet long. I come up with just shy of 11 full cords, or not quite 33 face cords. He agrees on the full cord figure, but disagrees on the face cord amount. He says that each row has 4 7/8 cords. 4 7/8 x 4 = 19 1/2 face cords. The Wicopedia definition says I'm right. He says he's right. We bet a gallon of chainsaw oil on it (you know I'll be getting TSC oil if I win). Will you guys help us decide a winner? The majority rules and determines the winner.
Thanks
Marty
9x6x26=1404 cubic feet devided by 128 =10.96855 cords
10.96855 x 3 (the number of face cords in a cord ((face cord being 4'x8'x16"))=32.90565 face cords
'thats the way i figure it but a face cord has different cubic feet totals to some folks but where i come from a full cord is 4'x4'x8' adnd a face cord is 4'x16"x8' (or 1/3 of a full cord)
OIL UP!
Only if the wood is cut 16" long. Since he cut it 27" long there are less face cords.
http://www.jwiwood.com/faq/rick.html (http://www.jwiwood.com/faq/rick.html)
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A face cord is also one row of 4' by 8'. But the difference is a face cord has lengths of sticks that will eventually add up to 4' when stacked in two, three, or four rows.
Example of a face cord:
Four rows of 12" sticks=4'
Three rows of 16"=4'
Two rows of 24"=4'
This was taken from the link I posted above. According to that your wood can't be measured in face cords since it can't add up to 4 foot long.
So using their numbers you have zero face cords. Lol
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Technically I think you lose. Face cord isn't a real measurement. It is just one row off the stack. If you cut your wood 24" long instead of 16" then you only get 2 face cord per cord.
The only way I have ever seen it sold by the face cord though is in 16" lengths which is 3 per cord.
I may be wrong though.
He uses the same argument- in other words if he cut his pieces 6' long and stacked them in a 4' x 8' pile, he'd still have a face cord. So, RSI, who wins our bet- myself or my friend? The scales has to teeter one way or the other.
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Ok this got me wondering how much wood is currently in my shed..
Shed is 16 feet wide and 18 feet long and the stack averages about 8 feet high.
16x18x8= 2304 cubic feet divided by 128 gives me 18 cord of wood.
I'm really excited about the wood in there as it's the best I've ever had. Mostly white oak and hickory, all split with a lot of heart cuts with no bark at all on them.
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Who sells or buys wood as a "facecord, rick or rack"? We all know that a cord of wood is 4x4x8 or 128 cubic feet..Plain and simple..According to that web sight that RSI posted ..Most states prohibited the use of those terms in a sale or ad, because its confusing..Its not the same measurement or volume as a cord of wood
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Matty, didn't know they had regs like that anywhere. I've only met a few people here that had even heard of wood being measured in a cord. Alll the ads here just say truck load, most don't even specify whether it's short bed or long, s-10 or full size
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Wood is bought and sold in our area here in Mi by the face cord all the time(usually between $40 and $65/cord). I've got reply's now from five guys and no ones told me who won the bet. I'm right, right? :thumbup:
Help a brother out now Scott!
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Technically I think you lose. Face cord isn't a real measurement. It is just one row off the stack. If you cut your wood 24" long instead of 16" then you only get 2 face cord per cord.
The only way I have ever seen it sold by the face cord though is in 16" lengths which is 3 per cord.
I may be wrong though.
He uses the same argument- in other words if he cut his pieces 6' long and stacked them in a 4' x 8' pile, he'd still have a face cord. So, RSI, who wins our bet- myself or my friend? The scales has to teeter one way or the other.
You can find websites that will say both ways but I would say you both lose because you need the length the wood is cut to add up to 48".
A cord is a legal unit of measure. A face cord is not.
Since you don't have it cut that length you can't measure it in face cords.
If you cut your wood 4 feet long then a face cord and full cord are the same.
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OK RSI, you are out of my will!
Willie, after below post, you are in same boat as RSI.
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as i stated in my post some folks figure a face cord at different lengths you can get a face cord measurment out of any length of wood (or very close) as you divide cubic feet into cubic feet
a real cord (the only legal size) is 128 cubic feet (normaly stacked 4'x4'x8')
if your definition of a face cord was 4'x8'x2' then you would get only 2 face cords
if your face cord was 4'x8'x3' then you would get 1 1/3 face cords
there is no real winner as the only legal cord is 128 cubic feet of wood in a cord..all other measurments are agrred upon between the seller and the buyer and can very from deal to deal but most often face cord is thought of as 1/3 of a legal cord (at least in my area)
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I have always understod a face cord to be one third of a full cord - i burnt nine full cords of wood last year or as some may say- 27 face cords.
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lol I agree with Willie but as stated there is no real winner. I don't think either is wrong or right since it's not an accepted measurement
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Looks like I've got four fence-riders and one genius (BoilerHouse) so far :thumbup:
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Matty, didn't know they had regs like that anywhere. I've only met a few people here that had even heard of wood being measured in a cord. Alll the ads here just say truck load, most don't even specify whether it's short bed or long, s-10 or full size
well if the ad or person says a "cord of wood" it has to equal 128 cubic feet..State law in NH..If the guy selling it as a truck load or a s -10 pick up load..well pretty much up to the consumer ..because theres no measurement term in that truck load. All wood around here is generally sold as a cord..Some wood guys do sell 1/2, 1/4 cord..
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OK RSI, you are out of my will!
Lol
Since face cord isn't a real measurement, you can call it anything you want.
You can use this link which agrees with you but if you look at the top the content has been disputed which is probably due to the face cord info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewood)
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This according to Webster's Dictionary
Face Cord
"A unit of wood cut for fuel equal to a stack 4 X 8 feet with lengths of pieces from about 12 to 16 inches."
First known use of Face Cord
circa 1926
The plot thickens!
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lol I agree with Willie but as stated there is no real winner. I don't think either is wrong or right since it's not an accepted measurement
Around here a face cord or rick is an accepted measurement, it is (in my area) 4 x 8 by what ever length which is usually about 18 inches long.
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Bull
Same here.
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Sounds as though the proverbial scales are tipping slightly in my favor. After some thought, though, it appears to be a lose-lose situation for me anyway. If I win, I'll be running his cheap TSC oil through my saw. If I lose, I'll be giving him a gallon of my expensive Stihl oil. Thanks for all the reply's. Its raining here and I can't go outside and I AM BORED. This is taking my mind off not getting winter's '13-'14 wood stockpiled.
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I've always been told that a face cord is 4 x 8 x whatever the length of the wood is cut.
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I think it's rather obvious a face cord is not nor should not be accepted as a unit of measure. It would have to have a definite length not just 4 x 8 x whatever. If that were the case someone could say they have a face cord that is 12" and another 24".
If you ever watch "big bang theory". Its like Sheldon Cooper hassling the lady at the DMV that "car length" is not an accepted unit of measure. Lol
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The newest gimmick in NH is to get a four foot square pallet and stack it four feet high shrink wrapped. They call it a 1/2 cord. 2 pallets is a cord. Looks like a rip off to me. The measurements are right but it makes a cord look awfully small. Who wins the bet? Whoever can prove they are right.
Just wondering how much do they sell it for?
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Ill tell you what I own a '88 f-350 diesel 1 ton dump...My ton ton dump is freighted with wood to equal a cord of wood.. No way 2 pallets equal a cord of wood....a pallet isn't even a true 4 foot measurement..Few years back a buddy and I stacked a true 4x4x8 of unsplit fired wood threw it in the 1 ton.. fit it no problem...Dumped the wood back out..Split it..You'll be surprised..That truck was so filled up.. Ive been told back in the old days.. A cord was sold as unsplit..You get more wood being sold unsplit
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Grandpa taught me a face cord is 4'x8'x16". That's the depth he could fit in his stove, so that was the law on our dirt road.
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oldchenowth-
Your grandpa was a genius also! In our area that seems to be the rule(16"). Must be a mid-Michigan thing! Calling for 4"- 6" of the white stuff tonight. You got your wood out of the woods and in the shed already?
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Wood is all cozy in the shed. Stocked 'er full, just hope it is enough for the entire year. We got lucky, I had an inch and a half at the most. I work in Lansing and they got at least 8". Only about 20 miles from my house. After 200 years of the motorized carriage, these idiots still can't figure out how to drive on the first snow
And I must agree with you, my Grandpa was a genius. Old farmer seemed to know everything about everything. Wish I knew a tiny fraction of what he knew.