Outdoor Wood Furnace Info
All-Purpose OWF Discussions => General Outdoor Furnace Discussion => Topic started by: walkerdogman85 on January 22, 2013, 11:13:19 AM
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On hardy website it says that there owb are EPA exempt can someone explain what that means
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It means I would check with my local authorities and see if there are regulations that you need to know regarding EPA rules. A company can claim anything but it's your state and local regs that have the final say. Plus, it's cheaper to play it safe than buy something that you're not allowed to have. Roger
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If this help here's what I know. I've been wanting the earth mountain man 500 for a couple years and it wasn't EPA phase 2 compliant so I had a few issues with my zoning officials. I've done research and the info I've found on Shaver's web site helped me get the earth mountain man 500. If you purchase a furnace with grates and a ash pan it can be used for coal and there are no EPA emissions on a coal burner in Pennsylvania and if the burner is over 300,000 btu's that also makes it exempt of state laws also. So thanks to Shaver and their website and the research I've done I got the OWF I've been wanting and it works great!!! I've also learned a lot off this site and the outdoorwoodboiler.com site also. A lot of people here are on that site also. It's a grate community and they make you feel like family. I hope this helps you out and if you have more questions I'm sure someone will be gladly to help out, that's why I check these sites out daily, there's always good info and great knowledge.
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Well I have had the unit for a year I was just curious as to what it meant. I asked and there are no issues or laws in my area as of now
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Well I have had the unit for a year I was just curious as to what it meant. I asked and there are no issues or laws in my area as of now
Well since your already installed..Your grandfathered..Ive been grandfathered for the last few yrs....What Ive been told though, like scarface18071 said..Coal is in a different category..Like my Aqua Therm dealer cant sell outdoor wood boiler due to it hasn't met epa phase 2..But the coal ones are in the process of being able to be sold..Not sure why..I think coal is dirtier..
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If this help here's what I know. I've been wanting the earth mountain man 500 for a couple years and it wasn't EPA phase 2 compliant so I had a few issues with my zoning officials. I've done research and the info I've found on Shaver's web site helped me get the earth mountain man 500. If you purchase a furnace with grates and a ash pan it can be used for coal and there are no EPA emissions on a coal burner in Pennsylvania and if the burner is over 300,000 btu's that also makes it exempt of state laws also. So thanks to Shaver and their website and the research I've done I got the OWF I've been wanting and it works great!!! I've also learned a lot off this site and the outdoorwoodboiler.com site also. A lot of people here are on that site also. It's a grate community and they make you feel like family. I hope this helps you out and if you have more questions I'm sure someone will be gladly to help out, that's why I check these sites out daily, there's always good info and great knowledge.
So when I type in your link to outdoorwoodboiler.com..Seems to lead me to the Central Boiler web sight..Something that Im missing? owbinfo.com is the only other real owb forum that I know of, which I'm a member of..
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Shaver also claims they have gasifiers that are 80% efficient to get those tax credits a few years ago, remember that?
If a unit is over 350k or so btu, it can be considered commercial and not under EPA regs, but most hardys are well under that
That's the only exemption on the books
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The EPA law in MA covers all the fuel types about 5 or so years ago it did not, so you could get a pellet unit and it did not apply, but the current law defines what it does not the fuel type to cover all the units
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Are they trying to ban them in ohio then? I surely hope not just buying it that would suck if they banned them then what
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Hey mattynh I sent you a pm
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The next ban will be nationwide, it won't affect units you already have.
After the gun battle you'll hear the war drums fire up for the "carbon tax" and things of that nature and EPA phase 3
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I surely hope not I guess we will see
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Scot - What do you think the EPA phase 3 regs will look like? I can't imagine... Roger
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I think it will be to the point where hardly anything will pass. I know one company already working to meet phase 3, inside sources on what it will be I guess
There will be a lot of crazy things happen when all that happens anyway.. You'll start hearing more and more about "carbon taxes" after the gun battle winds down. There is some crazy legislation coming up with stuff like being taxed by the mile you drive and other silly stuff, the crazy part is what's gonna happen to electric rates.. There gonna sky rocket. Mark my word on that
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Here in ohio utility's are going de regulated to keep costs low. It's kind of scary since all of this clean air laws. I have a question Scott how can they ban what we have but not the commercial size ones? Doesn't make sense to me I took a video of my hardy running vs my neighbors wood stove and yesterday when it was really cold they looked the same I had just loaded mine up and blower kicked on will they go after indoor stoves to?
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Also how can we get away with burning coal with no laws I don't understand how that would be better than wood
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Oh yea this goes wayyy farther down the pipe than just outdoor stoves, indoor ones will be seeing the same intense regulation. I am installing an indoor stove in my house soon for back up, YouTube "efel stoves". That's a product im carrying, they gasify so to speak, just much differently. There made in Belgium.
Coal will be coming under attack just the same. People who would say different are just looking at the surface of the EPA and not looking at what's been proposed and what there goals are..
Anything to do with carbon is gettin ready to be silly
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So let me see if I have this straight. The libs don't like fossil fuels, they don't like us burning wood to stay warm, they do not like coal as a heat source, and electricity as a heat source is expensive...I wonder how we're supposed to stay warm without going bankrupt? The saddest thing about this is that the liberal news media is helping the current administration sell his agenda and people are buying it hook, line and sinker.
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So let me see if I have this straight. The libs don't like fossil fuels, they don't like us burning wood to stay warm, they do not like coal as a heat source, and electricity as a heat source is expensive...I wonder how we're supposed to stay warm without going bankrupt? The saddest thing about this is that the liberal news media is helping the current administration sell his agenda and people are buying it hook, line and sinker.
They don't know, nor do they care. They want that warm fuzzy feeling they get from feeling important.
This world isn't perfect, never has been. However there are no technologies known or in place that could even remotely begin to replace carbon based fuels.
Im a firm believer there are powers at play far bigger than liberals in govt, I feel the powers that be have the ultimate puppet man, and a bunch of misfits in office to back him.
When I think back to school, the total wackos, the ones who simply couldn't interact or even be social, are now the ones I see liking everything Obama says via Facebook twitter or whatever. I just chuckle when I see who is liking it, no surprise there
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Before we get carried away here and people think I just hate Obama, not the case at all...
I can't stand either party to be honest.... There are a few people I do like but it's rare.
Here is something stupid for you. I live in coal country, stuff is everywhere
Our power plant that supplies me is nuclear, most of our area is coal though and rates are skyrocketing. Meanwhile, coal docks along the rivers are stockpiling millions of tons of coal, and millions of tons are heading down the river heading towards china, we could use it here, but no we gotta be clean and green, but it's ok if they burn it in china, there on a different planet anyway right?
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Your exactly right Scott we are sending millions of tons of coal to china each year there was a thing on the news awhile back saying china is opening a new coal fired power plant every week! Where's the EPA over there if the whole world doesn't partake what food will it do us here? Our power also comes from coal power plants an there are a lot of people who would be affected by it if we were to stop using coal I just can't see how we will we are as clean as we can be with the technology we have today
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C'mon now Roger, you didn't really expect to keep any of your hard earned money, did you ? They don't want to burn coal for your electricity either. Being that we are all super rich we are expected to make sure all the other people are well cared for before we can even think of taking care of our family. I guess we should let all the fallen timber rot away and do noone any good. Oh, excuse me, they will tell me what is good for me, and being a good little citizen, I will happily comply.
B^() S&!+ !
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Even playing field I believe I hate to see these changes cause I have an owb and work for a coal fired power plant.
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Before we get carried away here and people think I just hate Obama, not the case at all...
I can't stand either party to be honest.... There are a few people I do like but it's rare.
Here is something stupid for you. I live in coal country, stuff is everywhere
Our power plant that supplies me is nuclear, most of our area is coal though and rates are skyrocketing. Meanwhile, coal docks along the rivers are stockpiling millions of tons of coal, and millions of tons are heading down the river heading towards china, we could use it here, but no we gotta be clean and green, but it's ok if they burn it in china, there on a different planet anyway right?
Way to call a spade a spade Scott. I don't know how any self sufficient people like us, who take the lead in our own lives and do positive things for ourselves, ie produce our own heat can, support the president. The country would be much better off if there where more people like us in the country instead of people standing around with their hands out looking for free food, free heat, and free cell phones.
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Before we get carried away here and people think I just hate Obama, not the case at all...
I can't stand either party to be honest.... There are a few people I do like but it's rare.
Here is something stupid for you. I live in coal country, stuff is everywhere
Our power plant that supplies me is nuclear, most of our area is coal though and rates are skyrocketing. Meanwhile, coal docks along the rivers are stockpiling millions of tons of coal, and millions of tons are heading down the river heading towards china, we could use it here, but no we gotta be clean and green, but it's ok if they burn it in china, there on a different planet anyway right?
You are dead right, both parties act like spoiled little kids with too many benifits.
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We (the voter) are emboldening the politicians to do this. Until we the voters demand a change the direction is cast! Better get use to it....or work for change! Not the kind promised by the current elected but the kind you want. Best thread I’ve read in a while.
On a side note I burn a wood coal mix in my OWB. The wood is blow downs from my property; the coal comes from a mine 35 miles from the house.